Offense better than you think

[Nav22]

OK so Philly stinks and are one game behind us. Frankly, pointing out what is going on in Philly isn't helping your case here since we are only a game up on them.

The Cowboys have not had nearly the injuries the Skins and Eagles have had. I mean the Eagles were literally playing 3 guys in the secondary against the Saints that they had just picked up off the street last week.

The offense is mediocre. It has to be better if this team has any delusions of making some noise come January.

Overall this season, yes it has been mediocre.

I’d like to see a comparison with/without Amari Cooper. We still sucked in his 1st game but it’s been a lot better these last 2 weeks, and that’s encouraging. Starting to remind me of how we looked in 2016.

 

[Sydla]

Overall this season, yes it has been mediocre.

I’d like to see a comparison with/without Amari Cooper. We still sucked in his 1st game but it’s been a lot better these last 2 weeks, and that’s encouraging. Starting to remind me of how we looked in 2016.

From a points per game output, it's slightly better with Cooper.

The problem is, and people will get all pissy, is that we just aren't getting consistent play out of the QB. Sure there have been some other issues - OL, Elliott struggled at times, WRs weren't good at times, etc.

But one consistent throughout this season has been inconsistent and questionable play from Dak. From game to game, drive to drive, he has been all over the map. He has to get better (or more consistent if you want to go that route).

This still doesn't even look close to the 2016 Cowboys by the way. That team averaged over 26 points per game. This team is only averaging 20 points per game. They are only averaging 21 points with Cooper. Dak was way more efficient and explosive as a pocket passer in 2016 than he is now............ which plays into my point above that the biggest issue facing this offense thus far is just not getting really high level QB play from Dak.

 

[Corso]

All this arguing... Some people have too much energy early in the morning.

 

[Aviano90]

For perspective:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...nference=ALL&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG

Thanks. My point still stands.

 

[ak47kaehu]

Lol. Such pathetic comments on several threads. For the past 2 weeks, y'all were saying Garrett, Dak and this team could not beat such high powered teams like the iggles and falcons. Now that the Cowboys destroyed them, here comes more "let's see what they do in 10 days against the Saints?"

Always excuses, instead of accepting, crediting, jumping on board and supporting.

My comment is more optimistic rather that lacking faith. People saying we don't stand a chance, I'm saying just wait we'll see......

 

[CCBoy]

He's made some progress at tuning out the chaos. At this point, I think it's less about the mental aspect and more about the players around him.

Prescott's passer rating
with Frederick
vs. blitz 109.1
no blitz 89.8

without Frederick
vs. blitz 71.1
no blitz 98.0

Great add Percy...always relevant.

 

[CCBoy]

From a points per game output, it's slightly better with Cooper.

The problem is, and people will get all pissy, is that we just aren't getting consistent play out of the QB. Sure there have been some other issues - OL, Elliott struggled at times, WRs weren't good at times, etc.

But one consistent throughout this season has been inconsistent and questionable play from Dak. From game to game, drive to drive, he has been all over the map. He has to get better (or more consistent if you want to go that route).

This still doesn't even look close to the 2016 Cowboys by the way. That team averaged over 26 points per game. This team is only averaging 20 points per game. They are only averaging 21 points with Cooper. Dak was way more efficient and explosive as a pocket passer in 2016 than he is now............ which plays into my point above that the biggest issue facing this offense thus far is just not getting really high level QB play from Dak.

My first thought, if the Cowboys beat Washington (they should), then the gamble is less to push the ball down field. With a little success then, there should be more deeper patterns run. I don't the concept supports a West Coast type offense, by scheme.

 

[Idgit]

Swaim's average separation when targeted ranks 5th in the league.

First reaction to that is 'wow,' then my second reaction is to wonder if his target rates is high enough to make that number significant.

 

[Idgit]

As someone said they have gone from poor to possibly mediocre.

That's probably the best I think you can hope from this outfit, maybe a bit more consistent.

I do think they passing game can take another half-step if a player like Gallup emerges or they connect on a couple of downfield balls. I've got more hope for the former than the latter.

Let's say they connect with Gallup on a couple of big plays this week as he's riding on an emotional rebound and things start to click. Maybe the team rallies around him, takes a share of the division lead, and never looks back. Probably won't happen because it always seems like the turf monster reaches up when we start to get on a little run, but maybe.

Just a little bit of improvement in the passing game I think would tip some of these close games into games where we're closing out with two-score leads against mediocre teams in the 4th quarter. If we can get there, I'd say we'd be a team with a puncher's chance in the first playoff game or two, after that, who knows.

 

[ItzKelz]

Our "passing offense" wasn't "built" to rank 28th in the league. In no way was that part of some "plan".

And be sure and let me know when this team "beats the Saints and the Rams".

And since we've made the changes Dak had been well over 90% QB rating. We are trending up. You're not too late for the bandwagon lol

 

[percyhoward]

First reaction to that is 'wow,' then my second reaction is to wonder if his target rates is high enough to make that number significant.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation

I think any TE with a pulse in this offense would have a similar number. The question is, what can they do with it? Can any of our backups fill his role in the passing and running game?

 

[wrongway]

They want to be entertained with constant gunslinging, high scoring action on the field, EVEN IF IT RESULTS IN LOSSES, than watching sound lower scoring old fashioned winning football. This is why this specific crowd was totally in love with Romo and his gunslinging ways, while hating Dak for opposite reasons. It's not about overall solid team football for them because It's too boring. Instead, it's about getting entertained with gunslinging action, regardless of wins or losses. It's why they loved Romo, yet hate Dak.

It's about championships. They haven't come close in decades. Not good enough for me. Loved the wins but will it translate to postseason success? This style of play leaves almost zero room for error.

 

[InTheZone]

I see people are jumping to extremes when they complain about us wanting more from this offense. Our team is a QB away from being able to sweep every single team regardless of what our defense does. Right now we lean on the defense and run game. Why is it bad to want a QB that could elevate our run game even more by being such a passing threat? If our d can't contain and keep TDs off the board it's pretty much a wrap, as evidenced by us losing 4 games where our pathetic QB couldn't manage a win after our defense held them to 17 points or less.

I support our team, but I also want them to keep getting better, even if that means getting new players

 

[Sydla]

I do think they passing game can take another half-step if a player like Gallup emerges or they connect on a couple of downfield balls. I've got more hope for the former than the latter.

Let's say they connect with Gallup on a couple of big plays this week as he's riding on an emotional rebound and things start to click. Maybe the team rallies around him, takes a share of the division lead, and never looks back. Probably won't happen because it always seems like the turf monster reaches up when we start to get on a little run, but maybe.

Just a little bit of improvement in the passing game I think would tip some of these close games into games where we're closing out with two-score leads against mediocre teams in the 4th quarter. If we can get there, I'd say we'd be a team with a puncher's chance in the first playoff game or two, after that, who knows.

They just can't seem to connect on deeper throws, which I think would open it up even more. Either Dak misses a wide open guy or he just can't deliver a catchable ball. At the beginning of the Falcons game, Gallup has his man beat and Dak air mails him by 5 yards.

He's got to start connecting on some of this stuff or good defenses are just going to continue to squat on the short stuff/run game.

 

[Nav22]

From a points per game output, it's slightly better with Cooper.

The problem is, and people will get all pissy, is that we just aren't getting consistent play out of the QB. Sure there have been some other issues - OL, Elliott struggled at times, WRs weren't good at times, etc.

But one consistent throughout this season has been inconsistent and questionable play from Dak. From game to game, drive to drive, he has been all over the map. He has to get better (or more consistent if you want to go that route).

This still doesn't even look close to the 2016 Cowboys by the way. That team averaged over 26 points per game. This team is only averaging 20 points per game. They are only averaging 21 points with Cooper. Dak was way more efficient and explosive as a pocket passer in 2016 than he is now............ which plays into my point above that the biggest issue facing this offense thus far is just not getting really high level QB play from Dak.

You’re right, Dak has regressed since his rookie year and that is the biggest difference from 2016. No argument on that.

The last 2 weeks have been encouraging. 27 points at Philly and should’ve had 27 at Atlanta. Clutch GW drives in both games.

Hopefully that’s a sign of things to come and he doesn’t go back to his early 2018 form.

 

[Brax]

The topic was about the offense. The responses were regarding the offense.

Now if you want to talk synergy, yes, the defense is playing great and holding opponents to a low enough total to give our offense a chance to succeed as long as Zeke and our 4th ranked rushing attack can carry the team by putting together 200 yard games.

How many of those games do you think Zeke has in him?

It better be a lot because they are not riding Dak anywhere.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Sundays performance was good if your name is Zeke. Watching Dak throw for only 200 yards, no TD's is not inspiring confidence they could get the passing game going if need be. Dak is 33rd in passing yards per game. We won inspite of his limitations.

Dak threw for a td that Beasley dropped, and ran for another.

TD passes isn't that meaningful a stat. Most of it is a team's inability to run the ball in the red zone. We can. And Dak can, which is a major advantage for us.

Low yardage is an issue. Inability to complete mid and deep balls is an issue. Taking sacks is an issue. But I don't care about TD passes. I'd rather be running the ball in anyway.

 

[Brax]

Thanks stash...so much knowledge i have gained through this exercise. It really makes me wonder how the Cowboys won 3 superbowls in the 90s and the Giants won 2 with parcells with this philosophy.

Must be antiquated thinking.

the game even passed Landry by.

 

[charron]

Dak threw for a td that Beasley dropped, and ran for another.

TD passes isn't that meaningful a stat. Most of it is a team's inability to run the ball in the red zone. We can. And Dak can, which is a major advantage for us.

Low yardage is an issue. Inability to complete mid and deep balls is an issue. Taking sacks is an issue. But I don't care about TD passes. I'd rather be running the ball in anyway.

Like most stats it tells a small portion of a story. But I disagree greatly that it is a meaningless stat. It has less meaning if we are running alot of touchdowns, it has more meaning when like earlier in the year we struggled to put points on the board. Zeke is 2nd in rushing but tied for 11th in td's with 5 so it's not like they are coming in droves by ground attack either.

 

[Cannibal_Cowboy]

For the past 2 weeks, y'all were saying Garrett, Dak and this team could not beat such high powered teams like the iggles and falcons. Now that the Cowboys destroyed them, here comes more "let's see what they do in 10 days against the Saints?"

Bwuahahahaha!!
Destroyed?!?!
A touchdown over the Iggles and a late (almost missed) field goal against the Falcons does not qualify as destroying a team.
You're so full of it you should be wearing a diaper.