Offense better than you think

robjay04

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oh sorry, 202 yards and 1 TD.....if Beasley would have caught that....still not impressive

I bet you were whining in the 90s when Aikman was putting up pedestrian stats while Marino and Young were lighting up the stat sheet.

No Dak is not Aikman..but you don’t need gaudy stats to win. All that really matters is wins.

Eli’s stat sheet sucks but I would trade Romo’s amazing statistical seasons for two championships anyday.
 

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Maybe it’s just frustration because Garrett and/or Dak have clawed their way out of the dumpster, at least temporarily and I get that but I am shocked at this forum the last two days.

Why is there so much hate directed towards our offense after Sunday’s performance?

First let’s break down some numbers...

The Falcons defense, prior to Sunday’s game, was allowing about 28 points a game. We scored 22, even the most pessimistic fan can admit that our offense played good enough for 5 additional points with the Beasley drop and the missed PAT. 27 points puts us on par with what the Falcons typically give up and that number is also in the same ballpark of our 2016 offense.

We were 7/13 on 3rd down which is also a huge improvement. We also did not turn the ball over. Falcons have recorded an interception in 7 of their 9 games before they played us. Obviously we would like to get back to the point where we can trust Dak not to throw interceptions but at this point, we are looking for improvement and 1 over the last 5 games is just that.

Now...I am sure I’ll hear some complaining about check downs and lack of big plays.

I get that...but I also believe the team made a decision to play that way. The only way the Falcons were going to beat us is by throwing the football to their big play receivers. The goal was to control the flow of the game which our offense and especially our defense did well. Duke Johnson and Nick Chubb combined for 7 receptions and 2 scores the week before..once Deion Jones was listed as out, a game plan emphasizing the short passing game seemed like a good option. Even the most brilliant offensive minds would agree to that.

Now I get that there will be a time when we need more than 22 or maybe even 27 points. Most of us thought it would have been against the Falcons. I am making no wild predictions of offensive greatness or fantasy football worthy performances from anyone not named Zeke but that is just not how this offense is designed...maybe you hate it and that’s okay.

My observations from the game were that the offense looked a lot like 2016. The game flowed through Zeke and Dak managed the game. The offense didn’t turn the ball over, concerted 3rd downs and “closed the game” when it came time. The fact is we are a run first team that is playing good defense. This is not an exciting or flashy offense BUT....when they are playing up to their potential and Linehan doesn’t cal the plays like a HS coordinator, they are very efficient and compliment the defense nicely.
We had 3 points in the first half - it was honestly putrid offense- just purtrid!
 

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I bet you were whining in the 90s when Aikman was putting up pedestrian stats while Marino and Young were lighting up the stat sheet.

No Dak is not Aikman..but you don’t need gaudy stats to win. All that really matters is wins.

Eli’s stat sheet sucks but I would trade Romo’s amazing statistical seasons for two championships anyday.

5 wins 5 losses.

But you go ahead and puff your chest out about "wins".
:rolleyes:
 

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They just can't seem to connect on deeper throws, which I think would open it up even more. Either Dak misses a wide open guy or he just can't deliver a catchable ball. At the beginning of the Falcons game, Gallup has his man beat and Dak air mails him by 5 yards.

that was scripted, timing play. Gallup has his route interrupted by the CB.
 

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5 wins 5 losses.

But you go ahead and puff your chest out about "wins".
:rolleyes:

We are talking about the offense we have seen the last two weeks obviously.

Dak is top 5 out of all QBs in wins since entering the league so that again proves you don’t need gaudy stats to win.
 

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Sundays performance was good if your name is Zeke. Watching Dak throw for only 200 yards, no TD's is not inspiring confidence they could get the passing game going if need be. Dak is 33rd in passing yards per game. We won inspite of his limitations.
As a reminder there are 32 teams in the NFL.
 

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We had 3 points in the first half - it was honestly putrid offense- just purtrid!

Only had 3 drives in the first balf(not counting the last 29 seconds to end the half).

Cowboys had 8 drives total and scored points on 5 of them and had zero turnovers.

Rams had 13 drives Monday., they scored on 7 of them, 2 of them ended in turnovers, 4 of them ended in punts

Chiefs had 15 drives Monday, they scored on 7 of them, 5 of them ended in turnovers and 3 punts

So out of those scenarios, what would you choose?
 

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We are talking about the offense we have seen the last two weeks obviously.

Dak is top 5 out of all QBs in wins since entering the league so that again proves you don’t need gaudy stats to win.

And he's 14-12 since his rookie year.

On one hand, you want to talk about "two weeks", and in your next sentence you want to talk about 3 years. The desperation is clear.

For the record, if you were talking about these last two weeks, that should have been your thread title. You wouldn't have gotten much argument on that. Certainly not from me. I think they've clearly improved these past two weeks.
 

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Only had 3 drives in the first balf(not counting the last 29 seconds to end the half).

Cowboys had 8 drives total and scored points on 5 of them and had zero turnovers.

Rams had 13 drives Monday., they scored on 7 of them, 2 of them ended in turnovers, 4 of them ended in punts

Chiefs had 15 drives Monday, they scored on 7 of them, 5 of them ended in turnovers and 3 punts

So out of those scenarios, what would you choose?

Touchdowns.

I choose touchdowns.
 

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Touchdowns.

I choose touchdowns.

You make no sense now.

Team A scores on 50 percent of their drives either a touchdown or field goal with no turnovers

Team B scores on 50 percent of their drives either a touchdown or field goal with multiple turnovers.

You’re choosing team B...
 

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And he's 14-12 since his rookie year.

On one hand, you want to talk about "two weeks", and in your next sentence you want to talk about 3 years. The desperation is clear.

For the record, if you were talking about these last two weeks, that should have been your thread title. You wouldn't have gotten much argument on that. Certainly not from me. I think they've clearly improved these past two weeks.

The whole write up was about the Falcons game.

Maybe you should read the post entirely before calling someone desperate.
 

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Only had 3 drives in the first balf(not counting the last 29 seconds to end the half).

Cowboys had 8 drives total and scored points on 5 of them and had zero turnovers.

Rams had 13 drives Monday., they scored on 7 of them, 2 of them ended in turnovers, 4 of them ended in punts

Chiefs had 15 drives Monday, they scored on 7 of them, 5 of them ended in turnovers and 3 punts

So out of those scenarios, what would you choose?

51 or 54 points!

Atlanta had 8 drives and scored on 5 and had 1 Turnover - that looks better than Rams and Chiefs as well but its not
 

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51 or 54 points!

Atlanta had 8 drives and scored on 5 and had 1 Turnover - that looks better than Rams and Chiefs as well but its not

You’re making no sense.

Obviously if you score quick and turn the ball over a lot..you’ll have a ton of possessions. The more possessions you have, the more chances to score points.

So suddenly it’s more important to score as fast as you can and have as many possessions as possible even if it results in multiple turnovers?

I’m sure if you ask either Andy Reid or Sean McVay...they would prefer less turnovers. 35 points were scored in that game directly off of turnovers.

While still a high scoring affair, without the points off of turnovers...we are looking at a 35-34 point game so stop taking the points scored out of context.

Winning football games doesn’t come down to how many drives you have unless you’re in shootouts because your defense stinks. Winning football games is about maximizing your possessions and not turning the ball over.
 

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You’re making no sense.

Obviously if you score quick and turn the ball over a lot..you’ll have a ton of possessions. The more possessions you have, the more chances to score points.

So suddenly it’s more important to score as fast as you can and have as many possessions as possible even if it results in multiple turnovers?

I’m sure if you ask either Andy Reid or Sean McVay...they would prefer less turnovers. 35 points were scored in that game directly off of turnovers.

While still a high scoring affair, without the points off of turnovers...we are looking at a 35-34 point game so stop taking the points scored out of context.

Winning football games doesn’t come down to how many drives you have unless you’re in shootouts because your defense stinks. Winning football games is about maximizing your possessions and not turning the ball over.

Rams - 4.15 pts per drive
Chiefs - 3.4 pts per drive
Cowboys - 2.75 pts per drive
Atlanta 2.37 pts per drive

Touchdown and points per drive- maximizing your possessions
 

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An antiquated offense like ours can work against mediocre teams like the Eagles or Falcons. Cool.

We go against the Pats, Rams, Chiefs, or Saints... We're gonna get blown out by 20.

This isn't 1993.

A couple three-and-outs and we would quickly be down 14; and at that point, our running game (which is our only hope for scoring points) is rendered obsolete.


Yeah, we scored 22 against the Falcons. Could have scored 27. That means next-to-nothing in the 2018 NFL.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your premise. But, in saying what you have, you completely dismiss the need for any defensive prowess at all. Perhaps you're correct.
 

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My rules for understanding how well a team/side of ball is performing 101:

Bulk stats are nearly useless. They don't tell even 25% of the story.
Starting field position HAS TO be accounted for when you are guaging stats
Effeciency stats are your best friend. Ex. YPC, YPA, YPCA, YPAA.
Drive stats are also fantastic and useful

Effeciency stats only lack in situational awareness. If you are averaging 5 ypc thats awesome! But if youre omly running it on 3rd and 9, then that's very poor. That's where success rate stats and DVOA come into play.
 
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