Offense/Defense Junk Yard Dogs

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Have your opinion, I don't begrudge you that, but don't be foolish enough to believe it's the only one that's allowed or valid.

A junkyard dog type player is not defined by the color of their skin. I thought this kind of thinking disappeared years ago. And yes, I am foolish enough to hope and believe that a person should not be defined by the color of their skin.

Junkyard dog has always been about a mentality/behavior, instead of a racial precondition. Not sure if you even understand what a junkyard dog player is supposed to be. It's definitely not about talent like you insist it is. Many junkyard dog players are actually less talented and get by on their physicality/volatility/work ethic/in your face play.
 

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A junkyard dog type player is not defined by the color of their skin. I thought this kind of thinking disappeared years ago. And yes, I am foolish enough to hope and believe that a person should not be defined by the color of their skin.

Junkyard dog has always been about a mentality/behavior, instead of a racial precondition. Not sure if you even understand what a junkyard dog player is supposed to be. It's definitely not about talent like you insist it is. Many junkyard dog players are actually less talented and get by on their physicality/volatility/work ethic/in your face play.

You keep repeating your point of view like it's the only one that's allowed. Saying it louder doesn't make you right.
 

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You keep repeating your point of view like it's the only one that's allowed. Saying it louder doesn't make you right.

Just because you have a different point of view doesn't make you right either. No matter how many times you call a dog a cat, it's still a dog.
 

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When our offensive line is rolling, I think they could be our "junk yard dog" as a unit. They've been pretty hit and miss this year though.
 

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Just because you have a different point of view doesn't make you right either. No matter how many times you call a dog a cat, it's still a dog.

I don't think you understand how opinions work. I already said I'm fine with your opinion. There is no "right".
 

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I don't think you understand how opinions work. I already said I'm fine with your opinion. There is no "right".

Opinions are like you know what, everyone has one, but sometimes there is a correct answer. I know, I know in my opinion.
 
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Opinions are like you know what, everyone has one, but sometimes there is a correct answer. I know, I know in my opinion.

There's probably some truth in both our opinions, the difference is that I'm not pretending that my opinion defines everyone's experience. Junkyard dog and other coded language in sports has been a discussion for a long time.

Enough so that there have been comedy bits about it:


The fact that Bat wants to pretend that there's no possible way that "Junkyard" is a term people use more often to describe black players vs white players is ridiculous because there's proof in this very thread. It's not a matter of overt racism, which I never claimed, but it's most definitely biased language.

When people say "Junkyard Dog", they aren't seeing Luke Kuechley, they are envisioning Ray Lewis. It's not a term they use for a guy they think is "smart", "highly skilled" and "technical" - it's a guy that's "angry", "aggressive" and "violent".

Those are things we often prize in sports, especially football, but that doesn't change the fact that those are terms used more often to describe black players than white players. Not exclusively, but far more often.

Note that both types of players can be good football players - which is the ONLY point I'm trying to make in this thread, we need talent, end of story.
 
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There's probably some truth in both our opinions, the difference is that I'm not pretending that my opinion defines everyone's experience. Junkward dog and other coded language in sports has been a discussion for a long time.

Enough so that there have been comedy bits about it:


The fact that Bat wants to pretend that there's no possible way that "Junkyard" is a term people use more often to describe black players vs white players is ridiculous because there's proof in this very thread. It's not a matter of overt racism, which I never claimed, but it's most definitely biased language. When people say "Junkyard Dog", they aren't seeing Luke Kuechley, they are envisioning Ray Lewis. It's not a term they use for a guy they think is "smart", "highly skilled" or "technical" - it's a guy that's "angry", "aggressive" and "violent" (note that both types of players can be good football players, it's not about talent).

Those are things we often prize in sports, especially football, but that doesn't change the fact that those are terms used more often to describe black players than white players. Not exclusively, but far more often.


That's fair, I don't view that term in that way at all and I don't believe it is most definitely biased language. But would concede that there are segments of the population that would see it that way, but I don't believe it would be the majority.

I see Bill Bates, not the most talented, but played with passion, fight and would not back down.
 

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There's probably some truth in both our opinions, the difference is that I'm not pretending that my opinion defines everyone's experience. Junkyard dog and other coded language in sports has been a discussion for a long time.

Enough so that there have been comedy bits about it:


The fact that Bat wants to pretend that there's no possible way that "Junkyard" is a term people use more often to describe black players vs white players is ridiculous because there's proof in this very thread. It's not a matter of overt racism, which I never claimed, but it's most definitely biased language.

When people say "Junkyard Dog", they aren't seeing Luke Kuechley, they are envisioning Ray Lewis. It's not a term they use for a guy they think is "smart", "highly skilled" and "technical" - it's a guy that's "angry", "aggressive" and "violent".

Those are things we often prize in sports, especially football, but that doesn't change the fact that those are terms used more often to describe black players than white players. Not exclusively, but far more often.

Note that both types of players can be good football players - which is the ONLY point I'm trying to make in this thread, we need talent, end of story.


Yeah. BaD Radio on The Ticket used to (maybe they still do) do a segment about that. White guys were always "hard workers" or "lunch pail" guys. Black guys were always "athletic" and had lots of "natural ability". It's uncanny once you start listening for it.
 

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Yeah. BaD Radio on The Ticket used to (maybe they still do) do a segment about that. White guys were always "hard workers" or "lunch pail" guys. Black guys were always "athletic" and had lots of "natural ability". It's uncanny once you start listening for it.

Wouldn't someone like Clay Matthews fall more into the 'athletic' and 'lots of natural ability' category as opposed to 'hard worker' or 'lunch pail'?

Beyond that I'd categorize him as 'dirty' -- I don't think a player in the NFL gets away with more contact with QBs that Matthews -- most of it uncalled.
 

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Wouldn't someone like Clay Matthews fall more into the 'athletic' and 'lots of natural ability' category as opposed to 'hard worker' or 'lunch pail'?

Beyond that I'd categorize him as 'dirty' -- I don't think a player in the NFL gets away with more contact with QBs that Matthews -- most of it uncalled.

Yes, but he has nice hair.
 
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