Offense discussion

[Coogiguy03]

The comeback routes are killing me. Sometimes it’s scramble drill, but very little creativity from MM

Scramble drill and curls that's our offense

 

[khiladi]

So which was it? The great cowboys d or the bad commanders D? And doesn’t every QB play against bad teams? Have you looked at that or no? Did you subtract Mahomes or Burrows games vs San Diego and Baltimore when evaluating them? Does anyone do that?

1. No every team doesn’t play against the 32nd and 30th ranked, and absolute worst pass defense on third down, pass defenses a year in the same season, and that is excluding the Giants.

2. What the hell does that mean? Great Cowboys D or bad Commanders D? It could be both. I mean I never hear you Dak fanboys not blame the defense for Dak sucking it up year in and year out in the playoffs.

3. The difference between Mahomes and Burtow is they actually win when they aren’t blaming bums, unlike Dak. And they put points up on the board against good teams. And they also play in open stadiums in freezing cold weather in the winters, when the numbers would naturally fall. And they can actually bring their teams back. Dak has had 9 years to change that “trend”, but the only thing he does it put up garbage time yards and points in blow outs. Other teams don’t care. They just go home with the wins and save it for the playoffs.

 

[MyFairLady]

The offense was OK. About what would be expected. Would I want to take that offense into the playoffs on the road against SanFran? Not really.

 

[baltcowboy]

Go back to the beginning of last season for a moment if you will.

The offense was inconsistent and struggled until Lamb exploded and demanded the ball. It seemed like from that point on the offense figured out some things, including using motion and the offense gained more explosiveness.

Fast forward to now. Why does it seem like our WRs seem to constantly run hooks or curls with very little variation. No motion, just dull play calling.

It seems to me we ignored everything we learned offensively from last season and started at ground zero again.

Side note, kudos to Mazi and Overshown. Much better performance

The offense has many issues. One problem that nobody talks about is CeeDee missed all of training camp. The offense will get bettter as the season goes on with the young offensive linemen getting comfortable and hopefully the play calling and design improves.

 

[MyFairLady]

Scramble drill and curls that's our offense

There are reasons why. We do the things that our QB can do well. It does a pretty good job getting us through the season. It sends us packing at the end of the year. It is no secret.

 

[khiladi]

What are the numbers. Compare the numbers. Not your opinion of something like they were playing conservative. Because how do you really define that and how do you know they don’t do that (if true) because he’s not that good and needs a more conservative approach?

And if they dumbed it down for Dak former that mean he could’ve had more production too? Just like In your Cooper scenario that you’ve created?

LOL..

do you think the judgment of them being conservative is made not by numbers, such as rushing attempts? Zeke and Pollard ran it 16 times against TB with Dak, the next with game they ran it 24 times. In the first game, they were both targeted 2 times each in the passing game, while they were targeted 2 and 7 times in the second.

The offense was intentionally scaled back. But Rush also showed in this game management offense, he was able to move the ball downfield in the latter part of the games to win, and BTW, even in his worst game against the Eagles he brought them back in the second half from like 20-0 to 20-17 with basically a majority of the 4th quarter to play, but the defense allowed an 8-9 minute drive that ended in a TD.

And “dumbed” down doesn’t mean they rushed more. Dumbed down is the routes they are using and “bailing early” for Dak. This statement is regarding the offense for Dak in comparison to other QBs that start,

 

[Wangchung83]

This is my biggest gripe. Our WRs currently are amongst the worst in separation created, but when they are running constant hooks and curls with ZERO motion, how much separation can you be expected to gain?

Lie, separation is only on targets they were thrown. This depends on who dak throw(targets) and his dink and dunks have a lot to do with it. Lamb also has the lowest Cush number showing he is pressed right on the line more than any other receiver in nfl. The Cush shows two things, Dak has to patient or extend a play to give time for longer routes to develop. This offense is a mess and was going to be a mess bc 60 million is a one trick poney that needs a lot around him to succeed. Hes throwing at feet, throwing high, and lacks any zip. We all know his stats show one thing but doesn’t align with what everyone else has seen for eight years. Other problem is he’s slower than any other qb, they need a metric in ability to extend plays and elusiveness. Defense is still a problem but that is what expected from them, it’s unnatural for our fan base to expect our defense to hand offense short field from turnovers which Dak has relied upon way too much(defense was fifth and second the last two years in turnover differential). He had league leading int players the last two years(diggs and bland) with multiple turnovers. We want those short fields, but those are luxuries not the norm in football. Offense should be carrying defense not the other way around. When offense has the ball they need to put it in endzone not fg.

 

[DogFace]

1. No every team doesn’t play against the 32nd and 30th ranked, and absolute worst pass defense on third down, pass defenses a year in the same season, and that is excluding the Giants.

2. What the hell does that mean? Great Cowboys D or bad Commanders D? It could be both. I mean I never hear you Dak fanboys not blame the defense for Dak sucking it up year in and year out in the playoffs.

3. The difference between Mahomes and Burtow is they actually win when they aren’t blaming bums, unlike Dak. And they put points up on the board against good teams. And they also play in open stadiums in freezing cold weather in the winters, when the numbers would naturally fall. And they can actually bring their teams back. Dak has had 9 years to change that “trend”, but the only thing he does it put up garbage time yards and points in blow outs. Other teams don’t care. They just go home with the wins and save it for the playoffs.

You’re all over the place. Read your posts. You want it both ways.

You were talking numbers. You said Dak played Washington. So I showed you that Mahomes played. San Diego twice and burrow played Baltimore twice.

Now you’ve added another D to your argument... Look at the league. Look at the league leaders. They all play good and bad Ds. I’m sure you see that.

 

[DogFace]

LOL..

do you think the judgment of them being conservative is made not by numbers, such as rushing attempts? Zeke and Pollard ran it 16 times against TB with Dak, the next with game they ran it 24 times. In the first game, they were both targeted 2 times each in the passing game, while they were targeted 2 and 7 times in the second.

The offense was intentionally scaled back. But Rush also showed in this game management offense, he was able to move the ball downfield in the latter part of the games to win, and BTW, even in his worst game against the Eagles he brought them back in the second half from like 20-0 to 20-17 with basically a majority of the 4th quarter to play, but the defense allowed an 8-9 minute drive that ended in a TD.

And “dumbed” down doesn’t mean they rushed more. Dumbed down is the routes they are using and “bailing early” for Dak. This statement is regarding the offense for Dak in comparison to other QBs that start,

The facts say there was a significant drop off in offensive production, right? Numbers are used for evaluation and measurement.
We just can’t go by what you or pappydog feels? Right?

Let’s focus on facts. And all Qb’s in the league have been failing by your winning criteria the last 2 years.

 

[Kingofholland]

This is my biggest gripe. Our WRs currently are amongst the worst in separation created, but when they are running constant hooks and curls with ZERO motion, how much separation can you be expected to gain?

It's coaching and scheme. We did do some more bunch formations yesterday, but other than that the route tree has looked pretty limited.

 

[Smith22]

Lie, separation is only on targets they were thrown. This depends on who dak throw(targets) and his dink and dunks have a lot to do with it. Lamb also has the lowest Cush number showing he is pressed right on the line more than any other receiver in nfl. The Cush shows two things, Dak has to patient or extend a play to give time for longer routes to develop. This offense is a mess and was going to be a mess bc 60 million is a one trick poney that needs a lot around him to succeed. Hes throwing at feet, throwing high, and lacks any zip. We all know his stats show one thing but doesn’t align with what everyone else has seen for eight years. Other problem is he’s slower than any other qb, they need a metric in ability to extend plays and elusiveness. Defense is still a problem but that is what expected from them, it’s unnatural for our fan base to expect our defense to hand offense short field from turnovers which Dak has relied upon way too much(defense was fifth and second the last two years in turnover differential). He had league leading int players the last two years(diggs and bland) with multiple turnovers. We want those short fields, but those are luxuries not the norm in football. Offense should be carrying defense not the other way around. When offense has the ball they need to put it in endzone not fg.

Long, drawn out post claiming our QB has no arm and is a 1 trick pony, yet ignores the fact he threw for 4500 yards and 36 plus TDs last year. I guess it was all luck.....

Welcome to the ignore list.

 

[CCBoy]

Don't worry, I'm sure our offense will look much better next week in Pittsburgh.

A strong defense that only has to worry about a passing game...?

 

[conner01]

Bold: The offense needed to be dumbed down so that the highest paid player in NFL history could have a chance at completing some passes.

He’s the least of the issues. Having to go 20 yards everytime to get a first makes it really hard to get an offense going. Way too many penalties

 

[conner01]

Long, drawn out post claiming our QB has no arm and is a 1 trick pony, yet ignores the fact he threw for 4500 yards and 36 plus TDs last year. I guess it was all luck.....

Welcome to the ignore list.

Some fans just hate Dak and can’t admit he’s good. Fans claim he’s not accurate but he’s in the top 5 alltime in comp pct

 

[Smith22]

Some fans just hate Dak and can’t admit he’s good. Fans claim he’s not accurate but he’s in the top 5 alltime in comp pct

I'm convinced some forum members are from rival teams pretending to be fans.

 

[Smith22]

This is not the game to have a discussion about the offense it cannot even be assessed close to accurately with the amount of penalties we had.

We were actually able to run the ball a little bit.

But no momentum or continuity could be achieved with the amount of penalties that were being assessed to us continually.

Sorry but you guys really need to learn to watch the game and understand the contributing factors that affect the offense.

The post wasn't about just 1 game. Obviously the penalties were a huge issue last night.

I thought it was fairly obvious I was drawing a comparison of these first 4 weeks to last season.

 

[Big D]

Put him in a more advanced offense and see how he does. Dak isn't a Brady or Montana and will never be one. Put Cooper Rush out there and you will get the same results.

Which Teams 'advance offense' would you like to see us switch to?