Official: Cutler to Bears per NFLN...*Two 1sts and a 3rd*

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Here is a list of Top 10 picks from 2001-2005. Didn't include 06-08 because of the "3 year" evaluation rule. I realize I said Spencer and he doesn't qualify for the that rule so no need to hammer me on that.

2001

1 Michael Vick QB
2 Leonard Davis G
3 Gerard Warren DT
4 Justin Smith DE
5 LaDainian Tomlinson RB
6 Richard Seymour DT
7 Andre Carter DE
8 David Terrell WR
9 Koren Robinson WR
10 Jamal Reynolds DE

2002

1 David Carr QB
2 Julius Peppers DE
3 Joey Harrington QB
4 Mike Williams T
5 Quentin Jammer DB
6 Ryan Sims DT
7 Bryant McKinnie T
8 Roy Williams FS
9 John Henderson DT
10 Levi Jones T

2003

1 Carson Palmer QB
2 Charles Rogers WR
3 Andre Johnson WR
4 Dewayne Robertson DT
5 Terence Newman CB
6 Johnathan Sullivan DT
7 Byron Leftwich QB
8 Jordan Gross T
9 Kevin Williams DE
10 Terrell Suggs OLB

2004

1 Eli Manning QB
2 Robert Gallery T
3 Larry Fitzgerald WR
4 Philip Rivers QB
5 Sean Taylor FS
6 Kellen Winslow TE
7 Roy Williams WR
8 DeAngelo Hall CB
9 Reggie Williams WR
10 Dunta Robinson CB

2005

1 Alex Smith QB
2 Ronnie Brown RB
3 Braylon Edwards WR
4 Cedric Benson RB
5 Cadillac Williams RB
6 Pacman Jones CB
7 Troy Williamson WR
8 Antrel Rolle DB
9 Carlos Rogers DB
10 Mike Williams WR

More losers than winners. And you're telling me Tom Brady isn't worth 2 of those picks?
 

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Randy White;2714849 said:
Who's the fool who guaranteed that?

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Originally Posted by TX_Yid View Post
The "Not worth 2 first round picks" argument falls short for me as it depends on which two firsts

Cutler > Barbie + Spears

For me it's worth it as there's no guarantee what your two 1sts might turn into, but in Cutler I think the Bears are guaranteed a franchise QB.
 

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good trade for both teams. even though the price chicago paid was quit high

but to me if youre chicago you dont trade for jay cutler and not improve that recieving core

their best reciever is probably devin hester a punt returner. olsen is a solid TE for them though.

but you have to get them at least one reliable wr and playmaker to help out cause their core is not very good, if not jay will have some of the same struggles as their other qb's have had

with cutler's low cap hit it would be smart to not be so damn cheap and go after at least torry holt who is still available.
 

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You don't ever give up that much in trade.

Cutler is a prospect but he isn't anything more. He couldn't win in Denver with Shanahan as coach and the best home field advantage in the league, not to mention two of the brighter WR prospects in the game.

Chicago was dumb. The city is not a good one for QB history because it is a tough place to play the position. Games are won with defense and the running game.

This guy is a heavy drinking whiner who hasn't won anything on any level yet the Bears give up 2 r1's and an r3? WOW!

Insanity.

Plus Cutler wants more money like right now.

Denver made out like a Bandit here.

They can win 7 games with crap QBs.

Quincy Carter has a middling record(like Cutler) as a pothead(if not crack) and Larry Lacewell draft picks around him so the talent around him argument is weak as water.

Cutler will change teams again but he'll never be viewed as highly as he is right now because people go stupid when they think franchise QB.

Denver may well end up with BJ Ravi AND Rey M in round 1. OR they can pick the highest rated RB and go back to running the ball to win games.

They could trade down and end up with 4 or 5 picks in the top 90.
 

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Hoofbite;2714863 said:
Here is a list of Top 10 picks from 2001-2005. Didn't include 06-08 because of the "3 year" evaluation rule. I realize I said Spencer and he doesn't qualify for the that rule so no need to hammer me on that.











More losers than winners. And you're telling me Tom Brady isn't worth 2 of those picks?

Tom Brady's injured knee is telling you why he isn't worth 2 of them.
But Cutler can't hold Brady's jock so it doesn't matter.

Cutler may very well end up a bust himself. His 3rd season record of 8-8 with a QB rating of 87 makes him eerily similar in year 3 to David Carr.

Yes, Cutler has a strong arm. So does Carr and so does/did Jeff George.
 

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GOLDENCHILD1688;2714872 said:
good trade for both teams. even though the price chicago paid was quit high

but to me if youre chicago you dont trade for jay cutler and not improve that recieving core

their best reciever is probably devin hester a punt returner. olsen is a solid TE for them though.

but you have to get them at least one reliable wr and playmaker to help out cause their core is not very good, if not jay will have some of the same struggles as their other qb's have had

with cutler's low cap hit it would be smart to not be so damn cheap and go after at least torry holt who is still available.

Hester is getting dangerous and a true WR. They have a kid from Vandy who is a personal friend of Cutler who is supposed to be a starter this year. Their other starter ??Barient is not bad either. They just didn't have a QB until now.

Chicago gets Holt and they have a very good WR corp.
 

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Randy White;2714849 said:
Who's the fool who guaranteed that ?

I was pointing out that there are success when trading picks. I'm a draft junkie myself and spend way more time than I should thinking of different draft scenarios, even with other teams than the Cowboys, so I love picks. However, only a fool would not trade two #1 picks for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Tony Romo.

Hell, even if those two picks happened to be #1 and #2.

And for those who think those are any type of guarantees, I present two examples:

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No you don't. Our Dallas Cowboys are the example why.

You trade away those picks for an immediate return and find out it takes a good deal more than talent to win a Super Bowl but once a little time passes that lack of picks means you are destined to suck for a long time.

But it is much harder to fault teams for doing it with a proven QB. Cutler hasn't proven anything except he likes to drink, has a fragile ego and will go T.O. on mgmt.
 

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jterrell;2714877 said:
Tom Brady's injured knee is telling you why he isn't worth 2 of them.
But Cutler can't hold Brady's jock so it doesn't matter.

Cutler may very well end up a bust himself. His 3rd season record of 8-8 with a QB rating of 87 makes him eerily similar in year 3 to David Carr.

Yes, Cutler has a strong arm. So does Carr and so does/did Jeff George.

Even if Tom isn't completely healthy, he will still be better than 75% of the league.

I think Cutler has a lot of upside and I think it will be interesting to see how things go.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2714848 said:
wow that sucks for jay cutler he went from throwing to brandon marshall eddie royal and the other guy iforgot his name to crap.

he also got away from a moron head coach

McDaniel is going to be a monumental flop...I bet he's canned within two yrs
 
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jterrell;2714877 said:
Tom Brady's injured knee is telling you why he isn't worth 2 of them.
But Cutler can't hold Brady's jock so it doesn't matter.

Cutler may very well end up a bust himself. His 3rd season record of 8-8 with a QB rating of 87 makes him eerily similar in year 3 to David Carr.

Yes, Cutler has a strong arm. So does Carr and so does/did Jeff George.


Carr has a noodle and throws like a woman.
 

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While I am thrilled that the Cutler saga has ended, it did make NFL talk exciting. Now we are back to 22 days till the draft. :(
 

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Maybe Chicago gave up too much, maybe they didn't.

Let's look at the other side of this. Denver freakin' scored, getting all of those picks for a player they all but had to get rid of.

They have an opportunity to add a LOT of talent over the next two years.
 

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fanfromvirginia;2715012 said:
Maybe Chicago gave up too much, maybe they didn't.

Let's look at the other side of this. Denver freakin' scored, getting all of those picks for a player they all but had to get rid of.

They have an opportunity to add a LOT of talent over the next two years.

Yes, they have the opportunity to get 2 very good players. The odds that they get a pro bowler is slim, and the odds of them getting a pro bowler at THE key position is almost zero. Cutler is a known commondity and draft picks are unknowns.

Having said that, the trade seemed fair for both sides.
 

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DFWJC;2715043 said:
Yes, they have the opportunity to get 2 very good players. The odds that they get a pro bowler is slim, and the odds of them getting a pro bowler at THE key position is almost zero. Cutler is a known commondity and draft picks are unknowns.

Having said that, the trade seemed fair for both sides.

I agree and it is the toughest position to find. Many teams spend pick after picks looking for a quality QB and while 2 1st is a lot, if Cutler can come in and help that team get over the hump then those picks were well worth it. Cutler has shown himself to be one of the top QB's in the league and Chicago has shown that they need a QB very badly. Bear fans should be happy that they have a big upgrade on offense to go along with a very good defense.
 

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A player, 2 firsts, and a 3rd for Cutler and a 5th...wow. The Bears needed a QB, without a doubt, but...wow. That's a LOT for one guy.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2715060 said:
A player, 2 firsts, and a 3rd for Cutler and a 5th...wow. The Bears needed a QB, without a doubt, but...wow. That's a LOT for one guy.

Becoming a playoff contender "Priceless" :lmao2:
 

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Peter King > INSIDE THE NFL

Cutler might regret Denver exile

Jay Cutler has three people to blame for his trade from the most talented young offensive team in football to one of the least:

1. Jay Cutler.

2. Jay Cutler.

3. Jay Cutler.

Lots of great players in NFL history have been traded, including lots of great quarterbacks -- Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, John Unitas, Bobby Layne. Lots of quarterbacks have been subjects of trade rumors, including the one and only John Elway, who preceded Cutler as the face of the Broncos; Dan Reeves almost sent Elway to the Commanders midway through his career. And Elway was ticked, but he got over it. Cutler was ticked when the Broncos tried and failed to acquire Matt Cassel Feb. 26, and for some reason -- ego, pride, immaturity, or maybe all of the above -- he couldn't get over it.

I laughed when I read Cutler's quotes to Jay Glazer Wednesday night, the ones about him not wanting to be traded. Kid, either you or your agent asked to be traded after Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates left the organization, and your agent asked for a trade again on March 14. Come on. You can only cry wolf so many times before you finally get called on it.

The other thing that happened here is that Denver owner Pat Bowlen grabbed this process by the horns and made the trade to Chicago happen. I will believe for a long time that Josh McDaniels wanted to take a passive approach here and let some rattled nerves calm down; and at some point before the draft, he'd try to make peace with Cutler. That's the strong impression he left me with a week ago at the league meetings. But when Cutler continued to duck the Broncos, Bowlen had enough. "You do not mess with Pat Bowlen, and you definitely do not ignore him,'' a man who knows Bowlen well told me this week. Cutler ignored him. That lit the fuse for the stunning trade to the Bears.

The Broncos will miss Cutler, because they have the best young offensive nucleus in football. Tackles Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris will both go to multiple Pro Bowls. Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are the best receivers in tandem 26 or younger in football right now. Last year, they, and Cutler, combined to form the number two offense in football, averaging 396 yards per game. Chicago averaged exactly 100 yards less, and was 26th in total offense. They have two talented young offensive weapons on the exterior --wideout/returner Devin Hester (if he ever gets to be a full-time receiver) and tackle Chris Williams, Cutler's former Vanderbilt teammate, at left tackle. But Williams is coming off a back injury, so we don't know how good he'll be.

It's a massive step down. Maybe Cutler will make the Bears a lot better. He certainly should. And the Broncos will take a step back, at least until McDaniels develops a quarterback in his own image.

The saddest thing here? Cutler could have been a truly great player in McDaniels' offense. He may be great with the Bears; he certainly has the talent to be. But the Denver attack was tailor-made for Cutler's brains and ability to throw the deep ball. Whatever he says now, I know he'll always wonder how great he could have been in that offense, with that bright young coach -- whether he liked McDaniels or not.
 

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Peter King;2715082 said:
Jay Cutler has three people to blame for his trade from the most talented young offensive team in football to one of the least:

1. Jay Cutler.

2. Jay Cutler.

3. Jay Cutler.
:hammer:
 

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The Bears haven't had a Great QB since Sid Luckman, and yes, I know McMahon won a SB, so i can see why the made that trade.
 
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