Official rant on Dak thread

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I am so sick of Dak holding this team back. Anytime we play a decent team he folds. He can’t win the close games anymore.

 

[CowboysLegends2]

Yep. I am a Dalton hater. He is a bum. Would rather put Pollard out there and run wildcat than have Opie take a snap.

See. That wasn’t hard to do.

My stance is Dak can win but needs a contract closer to the #10 QB in the league as opposed to what he is asking for. Then we can afford the tools he needs around him to win a ring. I would say the exact same thing about Dalton and I’m a TCU fan.

So let’s go hypothetical. If Dalton somehow gives the exact same performance as Dak, would you actively root against him the way you are stating above?

 

[OmerV]

Again. I agree with this point. Many in this thread do. The point, and I’m speaking for myself here, is that Dak needs to have greatness around him, paying him what he is asking negates that. Plenty of QB’s who have a ring has done so taking less than top pay. Just because he is the Dallas QB doesn’t mean he is the best in the league. But you don’t need to be the best to win a SB.

I don’t care who is under center when we win our next championship. What I do know is we will not win another one paying top dollar to a good QB with a poor defense. We do not have access to a true elite QB so we need to spend the money on a supporting cast.

No that wasn't my point. I agree Dak isn't "elite", but running plays that fail on 3rd down aren't Dak's fault, nor or dropped passes or blocked passes on 3rd down, and every QB needs at least some time in the pocket. In short, sure Dak could have done things better, but there was a lot more that led to the offensive shortcoming than Dak.

Nobody is saying Dak is the best in the league, so I don't even know where that argument comes from. Granted he isn't Aaron Rodgers or PAt Mahomes, but those are a rare breed.

 

[lopey]

Wasn’t bad, but wasn’t that good either definitely not 40mill a year good

That's right, a $40M a year wins that game once in awhile, has Dak ever? They showed a stat that the Cowboys never had a game winning drive last year. So far same thing.

 

[InTheZone]

That's right, a $40M a year wins that game once in awhile, has Dak ever? They showed a stat that the Cowboys never had a game winning drive last year. So far same thing.

Lol you know when it finally happens all the clutch/goat threads and posts are getting plastered everywhere

 

[Aviano90]

My stance is Dak can win but needs a contract closer to the #10 QB in the league as opposed to what he is asking for. Then we can afford the tools he needs around him to win a ring. I would say the exact same thing about Dalton and I’m a TCU fan.

So let’s go hypothetical. If Dalton somehow gives the exact same performance as Dak, would you actively root against him the way you are stating above?

No, but I would troll him like these guys do Dak. Why would Dalton not deserve the same treatment? Surely Dalton isn’t deserving of objective treatment if Romo and Dak weren’t.

It’s not that you don’t have a good point. It’s that a lot of these guys have a long standing agenda with Dak. It had nothing to do with money and almost all of it stems from their inability to move past 2016. So they take every opportunity to bash Dak but just can’t admit why they do it.

The contract situation is a valid concern, but I refuse to accept it as an excuse from somebody who treated Dak the same way when he was only making $450k a year. He could play for free and some would still dislike everything about him.

 

[OmerV]

If you cant see the comparison then you are just dense

lol - I can see you to make a comparison, but it is completely lacking in logic. The guy said Dalton has played poorly in the playoffs, and you are somehow under the impression that the early years when Steve Young wasn't in the playoffs at all somehow applies to the topic of playoff performance.

When talking about playoff performance, apples to apples would be talking about the playoff performances of both That's the logic you are sadly missing.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Funny, most of the Dak haters are usually comparing him to Wentz. I wonder why they're not using that argument today?

 

[CowboysLegends2]

No that wasn't my point. I agree Dak isn't "elite", but running plays that fail on 3rd down aren't Dak's fault, nor or dropped passes or blocked passes on 3rd down, and every QB needs at least some time in the pocket. In short, sure Dak could have done things better, but there was a lot more that led to the offensive shortcoming than Dak.

Nobody is saying Dak is the best in the league, so I don't even know where that argument comes from. Granted he isn't Aaron Rodgers or PAt Mahomes, but those are a rare breed.

The entire basis for my argument is Dak is calling himself elite by what he is asking for and what he has turned down. I’m not saying it’s all his fault either. The O-Line was terrible, the plays took too long to develop and the defense in the first half was scary as hell. My entire argument has always been Daks asking price. He needs help and his price tag makes it difficult. That is also why so few QB’s in the league deserve that kind of ransom.

I would put my mortgage on the line to bet that Dak would win a SB if he settled for Dak talent money and the team did its job to use the extra money wisely. So where do we disagree?

 

[CowboysLegends2]

No, but I would troll him like these guys do Dak. Why would Dalton not deserve the same treatment? Surely Dalton isn’t deserving of objective treatment if Romo and Dak weren’t.

It’s not that you don’t have a good point. It’s that a lot of these guys have a long standing agenda with Dak. It had nothing to do with money and almost all of it stems from their inability to move past 2016. So they take every opportunity to bash Dak but just can’t admit why they do it.

The contract situation is a valid concern, but I refuse to accept it as an excuse from somebody who treated Dak the same way when he was only making $450k a year. He could play for free and some would still dislike everything about him.

Fair enough. We aren’t that far apart then. For the record, I was upset when Romo got paid more money once he was past his prime. My thinking is he wasn’t going to get better with age so I was upset we were paying more for a lesser product. It seems the whole argument in both cases was “what choice do we have?” I just don’t agree with that argument.

 

[Brooksey]

If Watson is worth 40 million a year Dak is worth at least 41

 

[Aviano90]

Fair enough. We aren’t that far apart then. For the record, I was upset when Romo got paid more money once he was past his prime. My thinking is he wasn’t going to get better with age so I was upset we were paying more for a lesser product. It seems the whole argument in both cases was “what choice do we have?” I just don’t agree with that argument.

I can respect that.

 

[OmerV]

The entire basis for my argument is Dak is calling himself elite by what he is asking for and what he has turned down. I’m not saying it’s all his fault either. The O-Line was terrible, the plays took too long to develop and the defense in the first half was scary as hell. My entire argument has always been Daks asking price. He needs help and his price tag makes it difficult. That is also why so few QB’s in the league deserve that kind of ransom.

I would put my mortgage on the line to bet that Dak would win a SB if he settled for Dak talent money and the team did its job to use the extra money wisely. So where do we disagree?

No, he is asking for market price, which is about the market as it exists at a point in time.

Contrary to what some believe, pay is not a position ranking - it can't be because not everyone negotiates a new contract at the same time and under the same market conditions. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

Goff and Wentz are getting more than Rodgers - do you think that means they are claiming to be better than Rodgers? Of course it doesn't, it just means they negotiated a new deal more recently and under more favorable market conditions.

 

[jaythecowboy]

So are you calling Amari's and Gallop's drops?

Think it was Amari and Schultz

 

[CowboysLegends2]

No, he is asking for market price, which is about the market as it exists at a point in time.

Contrary to what some believe, pay is not a position ranking - it can't be because not everyone negotiates a new contract at the same time and under the same market conditions. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

Goff and Wentz are getting more than Rodgers - do you think that means they are claiming to be better than Rodgers? Of course it doesn't, it just means they negotiated a new deal more recently and under more favorable market conditions.

Do you think the Rams and Eagles are happy with those contracts?

 

[OmerV]

Do you think the Rams and Eagles are happy with those contracts?

I don't know if they are or not, but regardless, that doesn't change my point.

 

[Philmonroe]

Funny, most of the Dak haters are usually comparing him to Wentz. I wonder why they're not using that argument today?

Trying to make a relative few people the majority of people on this Wentz stuff is sad 2d thinker madness. Online and discussions in general have truly turned into folks just making up strawmans based on emotions smh.

 

[khiladi]

While it is true that the Rams earned a significant advantage in TOP it is also true that Dak took only one snap less than Goff and both teams had ten possessions. Dak and the offense had the same opportunity to control clock as the Rams did, they just didn't get it done.

This is what people often miss with this TOP argument. Our offense, if Dak could sustain drives, would put the Rams in the same situation. This was a legitimate problem when Garrett was in control of the offense and Romo was QB. Unlike now, our OC, the red-headed genius couldn’t field a RG to save his life. This was one of the reasons Wade wanted Reeves here and Jerry ultimately killed it to protect the “chosen one”. In that era it was actually Romo that was bailing out the ineptitude. In 2012, we were like 30th in rushing attempts and bottom five in play-action.

It took a horrendous season in 2012, in which Romo had a great statistical year that Jerry finally started pulling the reigns from Garrett and starting giving more control to Romo, who was in a contract year and could make more demands. It was also in large part because Jerry saw the work Callahan, who they basically lucked into, started rebuilding the RG and OL , after Jerry probably forced Houck, who Garrett brought with him from Miami, to retire and made guys like Garrett’s brother leave and fired the RB coach in Skip Peete. I used to complain back then regularly how the offense was struggling and the numbers were just paper-stats and the pressure of Romo to carry this team often led to him pressing to compensate for Garrett. We used to have one of the lower scoring offenses in the first half and we had to abandon the game plan that was purely Garrett (Romo wasn’t even allowed in early week game planning with Garrett). Teams used to sit back in deep cover-2 all day to defend this offense. We would be a three and out offense, until we needed Romo to start pushing the pace.

When Linehan came, Jerry in the off-season said Garrett isn’t going to touch the offense and was gushing about the Romo-Linehan relationship. It’s no surprise this became a run-dominant offense that controlled TOP and wore down defenses. Romo threw for 34 TDs and 9 INTs and was undefeated on the road until Lambeau and Sean Lee in his prime was injured the whole season. Garrett homers consistently blamed the defense, but it was clear that year, we could help out the defense by controlling the clock. The offense we are running now isn’t Garrett’s. It’s basically a simplified version of what we ran with Romo, via Linehan.

Unlike now, where Dak stepped into a RG and a back that is better than Murray, along with a pro-line, that offense was purely Romo bailing out the offense with no legitimate RG, while now it’s the exact opposite. Teams basically load the box to stop put RG. Even the pass where Gallup extended his arm against Ramsey, that was man coverage on a third and 10. The Rams didn’t seem to be threatened by Dak in that situation, putting their CBs an on island.

The way Dak makes decisions, you often wonder whether he can make the right RPO decisions based on the looks the defenses give regularly.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Trying to make a relative few people the majority of people on this Wentz stuff is sad 2d thinker madness. Online and discussions in general have truly turned into folks just making up strawmans based on emotions smh.

I've read this 3 times and still cannot comprehend.

 

[khiladi]

Running plays that actually fail on third down ARE Dak’s fault, if teams aren’t threatened enough by Dak’s arm or he has an RPO decision and he makes the incorrect one.