Ogletree's last catch

[tupperware]

I think a lot of you people will be saying his name again after sunday

Probably will be. Cursing him for running multiple routes wrong, not making a catch and fumbling the ball away, again.

 

[tupperware]

Ok but when Ogletree breaks out next game....i shouldn't see 15+ posters chanting his name, like they have always believed in him

You won't, because it's going to take more than one game and a few catches to prove that Ogletree has arrived.

 

[Frozen700]

You won't, because it's going to take more than one game and a few catches to prove that Ogletree has arrived.

lol we shall see

 

[Big D]

I think part of the problem is that KO knows his role as a #3 wr but when thrust into the the #2 or #1 spot he might have been a bit flustered. Give him more time and see how it develops.

 

[realtick]

He is actually fairly elusive on the bubble screen and made two guys miss last night before a really good tackle from Landry forced the fumble. I am not happy with the result but that occasionally happens.

He made a really good catch late in the game on the ball thrown behind him.

Exactly. There are plenty of reasons to be mad at Ogletree, but I'm not going to crucify him over getting stripped from behind after Landry dropped his 'roided out arm (aka the hammer) on him and caused the fumble. I don't know many receivers who would of held on to that.

 

[slomoxn]

I think part of the problem is that KO knows his role as a #3 wr but when thrust into the the #2 or #1 spot he might have been a bit flustered. Give him more time and see how it develops.

Give him more time than what? They thought last year he would be the third allowing them to move Williams and that never materialized. As a matter of fact he regressed as much as anyone did, not fogiving he rest of the team but he was one they clearly had high expectations of and he couldn't deliver.

I'm with the crowd that thinks if a player hasn't at least improved in three years its time to churn the roster. Whether he plays a lot or not after three years he should at least know the routes he runs if not the whole playbook. What else does he have to do but study and ask questions for his big break.

If everyone remembers, Austin was ready for his day so what is the problem with Otree being ready when called upon. I don't hate the guy but I don't see what he does that makes him someone who should remain, he right now could be a progress stopper for one of the younger guys (Harris) or the reason we are not looking at some young gun on another teams practice squad that would at least play special teams. From his route running last night they can't be much worse and I'm willing to bet he will be on the FA list for a long while if let go (unless Miami came sniffing around).

 

[gimmesix]

Give him more time than what? They thought last year he would be the third allowing them to move Williams and that never materialized.

No, they didn't.

 

[gimmesix]

I think part of the problem is that KO knows his role as a #3 wr but when thrust into the the #2 or #1 spot he might have been a bit flustered. Give him more time and see how it develops.

I do think that's part of it. There's a big difference between coming in with a route on every third down or so, and having to digest play after play after play in a starting role.

Ogletree is not up to that task yet, and might never be, but everybody's acting like he should go from undrafted rookie to polished receiver by the start of his third year after having received limited playing time. The reason he went undrafted wasn't physical ability but mental.

 

[slomoxn]

No, they didn't.

"he was one they clearly had high expectations of and he couldn't deliver".

Call it how you want bro, I remember hime being what they thought would be the third. Regardless he still has shown NO improvement at all in three years. His first year got everyone excited and then he fell off. Who was that QB from Notre Dame a few years ago that came out and had that storybook rookie year and never progessed from there? Well that is Otree he has hit his ceiling and it was three years ago.

 

[JoeCorrado]

Ogletree is fast running out of time. He is not there yet, but he has to know that his spot i in real jeopardy - he has as long as it takes Robinson to learn the offense. He must either earn his spot, or he will lose it. The clock is running, he has no more time to waste.

 

[Eskimo]

For a guy here a little over a week, Robinson look much better prepared on Monday Night than Ogletree did after 3 years here.

I'd have more confidence in Robinson out there against Detroit.

You have to remember that Robinson played with Chargers all pre-season so he did get versed in an offense very similar to ours.

He is in his 5th year, not his 3rd year in the league.

He has a lot more actual game experience than Otree who hasn't actually had many game reps in his three years.

The sort of miscommunication between Romo and Otree has actually been common with other WRs as many adjustments have to be made on the fly and they don't have much game experience with each other and you can only learn so much in practice.

We don't really have any better options than him right now while Miles is out. I do hope he progresses because I do think he has lots of talent.

At the same time, I'd be just as happy if Robinson can develop into a good #3 WR for us but he has been in the league for longer and failed to impress. The Rams ditched him and they don't exactly have an elite group of WRs.

 

[ShiningStar]

and just think before the ankle break Radway was really looking up. I think this would have been a great game for the kid. I hope they are working with him so hes good to go either this season or next.

 

[Eskimo]

Ogletree is fast running out of time. He is not there yet, but he has to know that his spot i in real jeopardy - he has as long as it takes Robinson to learn the offense. He must either earn his spot, or he will lose it. The clock is running, he has no more time to waste.

Robinson actually probably the knows the offense at some level.

He has five years of experience.

He spent all preseason with the Chargers in a very similar offensive scheme (Norv and Jason both come from the same coaching tree. Norv probably was Jason's coach at one time).

 

[JoeCorrado]

I do think that's part of it. There's a big difference between coming in with a route on every third down or so, and having to digest play after play after play in a starting role.

Ogletree is not up to that task yet, and might never be, but everybody's acting like he should go from undrafted rookie to polished receiver by the start of his third year after having received limited playing time. The reason he went undrafted wasn't physical ability but mental.

All true, except that being "ready" to step up from 3 to 2 is part of his job description.

He didn't when his number was called either time this season when we needed him Now that, is disappointing. Much more so than his play when lining up as the

actual number three.

 

[honyock]

Miles (who Romo obviously has a big comfort zone with) was out, Dez was gimpy and limited, Robinson is still acclimating, and Tony was almost forced to trust KO to make his reads and adjustments. As much as us fans are sick of KO, the real question is how much trust has Romo lost in him? When Dez and Austin are back in and healthy and Robinson is more comfortable in the offense, I have a hard time seeing KO getting nearly as much faith from Romo anymore.

I forgive him more for the fumble and even the endzone drop than for the wrong routes and misreads on blitz adjustments. That kind of thing leads to pick sixes. I'm guessing that KO is out there instead of Harris because those reads/adjustments are the kind of thing they don't trust a rookie with yet. If KO can't reward the faith of his quarterback to pay attention and not make rookie mistakes, I wonder when they'll just see no point in continuing to put him out there. Myself, as a no-nothing fan, I'd rather see Harris out there making his mistakes than see KO keep doing so. At least Harris will hopefully learn from his mistakes.

 

[gimmesix]

All true, except that being "ready" to step up from 3 to 2 is part of his job description.

He didn't when his number was called either time this season when we needed him Now that, is disappointing. Much more so than his play when lining up as the

actual number three.

Well, that was the legitimate concern about him going into the season. I was for getting a vet No. 3 for that reason and letting Ogletree continue to develop for one more reason, giving him playing time but not having to rely on him if a starter missed time.

Since we've put him in this role, I don't think it is realistic to expect him to be anything but up and down until it possibly clicks on completely for him.

In that role, he's going to give us plays like not lining up right, running too close to the sideline, not playing a ball right, not running a route right. But he's also going to give us plays when "needed" like he did by catching the ball that was thrown behind him.

I really don't understand why people seem to have higher expectations for him than the level he's shown he's at right now. If he was playing great, that would be more of a surprise to me at this point than him being up and down.

 

[speedkilz88]

Anybody else wondering during the game if he was high?

 

[gimmesix]

Myself, as a no-nothing fan, I'd rather see Harris out there making his mistakes than see KO keep doing so. At least Harris will hopefully learn from his mistakes.

I'm really glad that's not your decision to make.

I just can absolutely not understand why people expect a UDFA to go from nothing to solid starter in barely over two years in the league, especially without having much experience. Have we gotten spoiled here?

 

[Eskimo]

Miles (who Romo obviously has a big comfort zone with) was out, Dez was gimpy and limited, Robinson is still acclimating, and Tony was almost forced to trust KO to make his reads and adjustments. As much as us fans are sick of KO, the real question is how much trust has Romo lost in him? When Dez and Austin are back in and healthy and Robinson is more comfortable in the offense, I have a hard time seeing KO getting nearly as much faith from Romo anymore.

I forgive him more for the fumble and even the endzone drop than for the wrong routes and misreads on blitz adjustments. That kind of thing leads to pick sixes. I'm guessing that KO is out there instead of Harris because those reads/adjustments are the kind of thing they don't trust a rookie with yet. If KO can't reward the faith of his quarterback to pay attention and not make rookie mistakes, I wonder when they'll just see no point in continuing to put him out there. Myself, as a no-nothing fan, I'd rather see Harris out there making his mistakes than see KO keep doing so. At least Harris will hopefully learn from his mistakes.

In all honesty, the catch Otree made at the end of the game is better than anything Robinson did last night. Dez's 3rd down catch was the biggest play a WR made yesterday but Otree's catch was right behind that one.

I remember how much flak Miles got his first 3 years here, too. Everyone develops at a different rate and Otree made some good plays last night. He made a real good move on that bubble screen early in the game but Landry just got in a great shot on the ball to force that fumble. I know some are unhappy about the dropped pass in the endzone but that was really a pass defensed by the safety whose body ran into the ball just as he was about to catch it. I think the kid had a bad day but he hung in there and did make a play at the end and he deserves credit for hanging in there.

One of the funny things is he is probably our best route runner overall.

Miles and Dez just have some unworldly athletic ability that allows them to make very acrobatic catches in tight coverage but I think Otree is better than either of them at actually getting open. I think he just needs more confidence and hopefully he has some now. We need another WR to step up badly here as it will make Miles, Dez and Witten that much more dangerous.

 

[Eskimo]

Anybody else wondering during the game if he was high?

He didn't look high at all to me.

He looked like he was really down on himself, though.

He really needed that big catch at the end. Hopefully it gives him some confidence. We need someone to make plays while Miles is down and Dez is hobbled.