Ok it's that time again...

[AbeBeta]

You can hear the Clash regularly on the radio now a days. I frequently hear Train in Vain and London Calling on the 'Classic Rock' Station and the 'Alternative Rock' station.

Should I Stay or Should I Go, Rock the Casbah, Magnificent Seven, Clampdown... all things I've heard on the radio recently. MIA sampled Straight to Hell heavily on her last album...

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

How many "hits" did Zeppelin have?

Here's a hint. One single broke the top 10.

Fair enough.

But I know you are not comparing Zep to the Clash.

Not even in the same universe. Seriously.

 

[AbeBeta]

Fair enough.

But I know you are not comparing Zep to the Clash.

Not even in the same universe. Seriously.

As far as influence they are absolutely in the same universe. They influenced different types of music but they are absolutely in the same universe. Lyrically, the Clash absolutely destroy Plant's moronic Lord of the Ring inspired drivel.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

As far as influence they are absolutely in the same universe. They influenced different types of music but they are absolutely in the same universe. Lyrically, the Clash absolutely destroy Plant's moronic Lord of the Ring inspired drivel.

The Clash had the advantage of being "Punk"... a relatively small and unknown category compared the history of the ROCK category. The achieve higher status via default.


Moronic... lol

 

[AbeBeta]

The Clash had the advantage of being "Punk"... a relatively small and unknown category compared the history of the ROCK category. The achieve higher status via default.


Moronic... lol

Actually being "punk" is a disadvantage as the Clash's particular brand of it was informed and highly political. That pretty much takes a ton of the knucklehead fans out of the mix. But hey, those folks still had blues-stealing Zeppelin.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

How many "hits" did Zeppelin have?

Here's a hint. One single broke the top 10.

Thanks for this piece of trivia. I did not know Zep had only one top ten song. That is amazing. Unbelievable. Learn something new every day.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Actually being "punk" is a disadvantage as the Clash's particular brand of it was informed and highly political. That pretty much takes a ton of the knucklehead fans out of the mix. But hey, those folks still had blues-stealing Zeppelin.

lol

Yes, a disadvantage because we know that "any attention/controversy" is good attention

Blues-stealing? lol

My friend... there really isnt any "original" material... everyone steals from someone else. You being as smart as you are... I though you would know that.

 

[theogt]

How many "hits" did Zeppelin have?

Here's a hint. One single broke the top 10.

Apparently Stairway to Heaven was never released as a single, but is pretty much undisputed the most important rock song EVER.

 

[AbeBeta]

Apparently Stairway to Heaven was never released as a single, but is pretty much undisputed the most important rock song EVER.

Rolling Stone says different

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs

Of course, you could make an argument for many of those top 50 songs as the best ever but that certainly plays against "undisputed"

 

[theogt]

Rolling Stone says different

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/500songs

Of course, you could make an argument for many of those top 50 songs as the best ever but that certainly plays against "undisputed"

Wow. That's an amazingly horrible list. Seems more like the Peter King offseason lists used to just invoke chatter than anything else. Objectively ****ty.

Of course it was most likely a joke considering the first two song/bands have "Rolling Stone" in the name. "Satisfaction" the #2 greatest song of all time? Mmmm.....yes, disputed ... by idiots.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wow. That's an amazingly horrible list. Seems more like the Peter King offseason lists used to just invoke chatter than anything else. Objectively ****ty.

Of course it was most likely a joke considering the first two song/bands have "Rolling Stone" in the name. "Satisfaction" the #2 greatest song of all time? Mmmm.....yes, disputed ... by idiots.

That list comes from a poll of 172 musicians including Joni Mitchell and Elvis Costello. They didn't report who the other 170 were but you can't argue RS bias since they weren't doing the rating.

Do I agree totally with the list -- of course not. But it does make the point that "undisputed greatest rock song ever" is not so undisputed.

 

[vta]

These 'Calssic Rock' bands are products of a generation that's still influential, that's all. In the 60's, Beatles fans were probably hearing that that noise will never match Ray Noble and Glenn Miller.

No band can lay claim to being greatest ever, because people all have different tastes. Personally, if I hear another Zeppelin song, I'm going vomit. Same with most of Aerosmith, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pink Floyd.

 

[theogt]

That list comes from a poll of 172 musicians including Joni Mitchell and Elvis Costello. They didn't report who the other 170 were but you can't argue RS bias since they weren't doing the rating.

Do I agree totally with the list -- of course not. But it does make the point that "undisputed greatest rock song ever" is not so undisputed.

It's the obvious choice, so you know the "rockers" had to be original and pick something else.

It's undisputed.

 

[AbeBeta]

It's the obvious choice, so you know the "rockers" had to be original and pick something else.

It's undisputed.

What do undisputed mean?

Like others, I'd be happy to never hear that song again. Musically it is great but lyrically, although better than most of Plant's words, it is a bit weak.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I always found the clash boring.

Just not my thing.

If I was going to listen to punk, it would not be the clash.

I would rather listen to the misfits or ramones if I want to listen to that genre.

Sue me....but the clash bore the heck out of me.

 

[AbeBeta]

I always found the clash boring.

Just not my thing.

If I was going to listen to punk, it would not be the clash.

I would rather listen to the misfits or ramones if I want to listen to that genre.

Sue me....but the clash bore the heck out of me.

Not liking them is fine.

Denying their importance like others in the thread are doing is what I find silly.

 

[theogt]

What do undisputed mean?

Like others, I'd be happy to never hear that song again. Musically it is great but lyrically, although better than most of Plant's words, it is a bit weak.

I'm not particularly fond of it myself.

Regardless, The Clash are hardly "important."

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not liking them is fine.

Denying their importance like others in the thread are doing is what I find silly.

Sex Pistols
Misfits
Black Flag
The Ramones

I could see any of those being just as big in the genre some bigger as far as influence goes concerning punk. The biggest being the Ramones as they influenced a good deal of british punk.

Sorry...I don't care for the clash, sure they were big in the genre, sure they have influenced music. I just don't see them as being any bigger or more influential then the the other bands I listed...but that is me.

The thing that the Clash get more of was radio play compared to the others, mainly because they were more radio friendly and their style of music was not as abrasive as the others. Basically they were more commercially acceptable and in that aspect they achieved more success and in doing so I guess you could argue they helped open up punk to more and there lies the influence. However if you sit and think about it...because they were so commercial in their musical sound, because they were getting radio play on some mainstream stations...it kind of goes against what punk was all about...being non conformist and non commercial.

Just something to think about. I think they are highly overrated among the punk bands because to me they did not sound like most punk bands...they sounded more like 80's pop bands but they just had more meaningful lyrics.

Sue me.

 

[AbeBeta]

Regardless, The Clash are hardly "important."

Except for being one of the biggest influences on nearly every band that has followed...

 

[AbeBeta]

Sex Pistols
Misfits
Black Flag
The Ramones

I could see any of those being just as big in the genre some bigger as far as influence goes concerning punk. The biggest being the Ramones as they influenced a good deal of british punk.

Sorry...I don't care for the clash, sure they were big in the genre, sure they have influenced music. I just don't see them as being any bigger or more influential then the the other bands I listed...but that is me.

The thing that the Clash get more of was radio play compared to the others, mainly because they were more radio friendly and their style of music was not as abrasive as the others. Basically they were more commercially acceptable and in that aspect they achieved more success and in doing so I guess you could argue they helped open up punk to more and there lies the influence. However if you sit and think about it...because they were so commercial in their musical sound, because they were getting radio play on some mainstream stations...it kind of goes against what punk was all about...being non conformist and non commercial.

Just something to think about. I think they are highly overrated among the punk bands because to me they did not sound like most punk bands...they sounded more like 80's pop bands but they just had more meaningful lyrics.

Sue me.

Oh, I'll agree the Ramones were highly influential -- the funny thing is they are at least as "radio friendly" if not more than the Clash - especially in the U.S. as (mostly) Joey was so completely seeped in the Brill Building sound. That was a pop band if ever there was one.

Pistols -- their influence was more cultural than anything -- not that Bollocks isn't a great album. But there is only 1 album there.

Misfit and Black Flag aren't just a blip on the scene compared to the Clash. I don't really see either influencing so many other bands. They likely influenced the harder core stuff more, but they don't have the broad influence of the Clash.