Ok, our All-time team vs other teams

[JohnLockesGhost]

Let's say a hurricane and Ditka got into a fight. Who would win?

Gentlemen, gentlemen....what if the hurricane was named "Ditka"?

Have you guys ever had a "Fight Club" thread?

 

[jrockster77]

I'll bite...

All-time Skins

QB: Sammy Baugh
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Charley Taylor
TE: Don Warren
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG: Joe Jacoby
RT: Mark May

DE: Charles Mann
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Diron Talbert
DE: Dexter Manley
LB: Wilbur Marshall
LB: Chris Hanburger
LB: Sam Huff
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Mike Bass
S: Ken Houston
S: Sean Taylor :

There you go: the All-time Skins team.

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? )
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

 

[THUMPER]

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? )
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

So both Commanders fans are picking Sean Taylor? The guy has only played a couple of years, not long enough to make an All-Time team IMO. Same for Cooley.

By the time Bruce Smith played for you guys he was at the end of his career, are you sure you would want him on your all-time team? I guess Cowboys fans could select Lance Alworth, Herb Adderley, Mike Ditka, and Forrest Gregg since they all played for us too but none were in their prime. No Cowboy fan would ever want to select Jackie Smith though, we would all rather just forget that he ever soiled the field with his presence.

I am glad to see that you have Pat Fischer on your team. You've got to have the 2 best small CBs ever in Green and Fischer.

Interesting choice between Sammy Baugh and Sonny Jurgensen. Both were great QBs but very different styles (like Staubach and Aikman for us).

 

[Manster68]

QB: Roger Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Moose
WR: Michael Irvin
WR: Drew Pearson
TE: Jay Novacheck
OT: Erik Williams
OT: Rayfield Wright
OG: Larry Allen
OG: Blain Nye
C: Tom Rafferty

DE: Harvey Martin
DE: Too Tall Jones
DT: Bob Lily
DT: Randy White
LB: Lee Roy Jordan
LB: Chuck Howley
LB: Bob Breunig
CB: Deion Sanders
CB: Mel Renfro
SS: Darren Woodson
FS: Cliff Harris

HeavyHitta31,

Why the wink next to Breunig? Then again, why do you have two middle linebackers? Then again, why do you even have Breunig? He never played all that well IMO.

My third choice at linebacker would have to be Thomas Hollywood Henderson.

Blaine Nye was good...very good. However, why would you take Nye when John Niland was the premeire guard during his day - going to seven straight Pro Bowls as well as being the only successful first round offensive lineman taken by the Cowboys.

John Niland may be Dallas' most unsung hero.

 

[jrockster77]

So both Commanders fans are picking Sean Taylor? The guy has only played a couple of years, not long enough to make an All-Time team IMO. Same for Cooley.

Basically the FS position hasn't been one from which a great crop of players in Commander history has emerged. And ST is far more athletically gifted than any player to ever don a Skins uniform. True, two years is probably too soon to place him on the list, but I think he'll cement his spot after a few more years.

By the time Bruce Smith played for you guys he was at the end of his career, are you sure you would want him on your all-time team? I guess Cowboys fans could select Lance Alworth, Herb Adderley, Mike Ditka, and Forrest Gregg since they all played for us too but none were in their prime. No Cowboy fan would ever want to select Jackie Smith though, we would all rather just forget that he ever soiled the field with his presence.

Yeah...don't know why I put Bruce on there...guess I just wanted to be different. Guess I'll switch him out with Mann like JLG has it.

I am glad to see that you have Pat Fischer on your team. You've got to have the 2 best small CBs ever in Green and Fischer.

Hell yeah! I love Pat Fischer...he was one mean sum*****!!

Interesting choice between Sammy Baugh and Sonny Jurgensen. Both were great QBs but very different styles (like Staubach and Aikman for us).

Sammy ended his career with a 187 to 203 TD to INT ratio....not something for an all-time team. He's definitely a great part of Skins' history, and really the game's history in general, but Juregenson just had better numbers. If Jurgenson was healthy, we'd have 4 Lombardi's at Commanders park instead of 3...

 

[superpunk]

Have you guys ever had a "Fight Club" thread?

We don't talk about that.

 

[the kid 05]

who would coach this magical team?

campo...hopefully with all these great players he could manage more than 15 wins over a period of 3 seasons....hell...he might win more then 15 in one season...

 

[the kid 05]

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? )
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

how the hell do you put ST on your all time great list? he's good...but hes not even considered a great player on your team and this is comeing from a boyz fan. st is good but defenitly not great

 

[THUMPER]

I have updated my All-Time team with a 53-man roster. Many will disagree with my choices but I have some criteria that eliminates some players, namely that they had to have played for us for at least 7 seasons. It is therefore not necessarily a list of the 53 best players but of guys who were with us for more than a handful of years and made great contributions to the team.

NOTE: The number after the player's name is the Pro-Bowls they were selected to.

QB: Roger Staubach-6, Troy Aikman-6, Danny White-1 (I would have preferred Merideth but Danny is also my punter, saving a roster spot).
RB: Emmitt Smith-8, Tony Dorsett-4
FB: Don Perkins-6, Walt Garrison-0, Daryl Johnston-2
TE: Jay Novacek-5, Billy Joe Dupree-3, Doug Cosbie-3 (Witten will make the team in a few more years).
WR: Bob Hayes-3, Michael Irvin-5, Drew Pearson-3, Tony Hill-3, Frank Clarke-1, Butch Johnson-0
C: Mark Stepnoski-3, Dave Manders-2
OG: Larry Allen-10, John Niland-7, Nate Newton-6, Herb Scott-3
OT: Rayfield Wright-6, Erik Williams-4, Pat Donovan-4, Mark Tuinei-2
K: Rafael Septien-1

CB: Mel Renfro-10, Cornell Green-5, Everson Walls-4, Michael Downs-1
S: Charlie Waters-3, Cliff Harris-6, Darren Woodson-5, Dennis Thurman-0, Bill Bates Bates-1 (Bates is my STs guy).
OLB: Chuck Howley-5, Dave Edwards-0, Jerry Tubbs-1, D.D. Lewis-0
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan-5, Bob Breunig-3
DE: George Andrie-5, Ed Jones-3, Harvey Martin-4, Tony Tolbert-1, Jim Jeffcoat-0
DT: Bob Lilly-11, Randy White-9, Jethro Pugh-0, Leon Lett-2, Larry Cole-0


I know many will ask why guys like Charles Haley and Deion Sanders aren't on the team but they didn't play long enough for us to make MY team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Let's say a hurricane and Ditka got into a fight. Who would win?

Gentlemen, gentlemen....what if the hurricane was named "Ditka"?

Are we talking an East Coast type Hurricane or are we talking a Devine wind type deal like they talk about in Japan? Also, are we talking Iron Mike like he used to be with Da Bears or are we talking the Mike Ditka that showed up in the movie Kicking and Screaming? Also, is Mike regular sized in this one or is he Mike the halfling?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

HeavyHitta31,

Why the wink next to Breunig? Then again, why do you have two middle linebackers? Then again, why do you even have Breunig? He never played all that well IMO.

My third choice at linebacker would have to be Thomas Hollywood Henderson.

Blaine Nye was good...very good. However, why would you take Nye when John Niland was the premeire guard during his day - going to seven straight Pro Bowls as well as being the only successful first round offensive lineman taken by the Cowboys.

John Niland may be Dallas' most unsung hero.

Landry did say that Nye was the most talented Guard he ever coached.

I would say this thou HH, you have Harris at FS. No way he could play that position IMO. He would have to have been a strong safety IMO. I'd probably go with "Boards" at FS.

 

[JohnLockesGhost]

Here's my team:

QB: Sonny Jurgenson
RB: Larry Brown
FB: John Riggins
WR: Art Monk
WR: Gary Clark
TE: Chris Cooley (flame away)
LT: Jim Lachey
LG: Russ Grimm
C: Jeff Bostic
RG:Raleigh McKenzie
RT: George Starke (can't leave off the head-hog!)

DE: Dexter Manley
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Daryl Grant
DE: Bruce Smith (just had to play for us, right?? )
LB: Ken Harvey
LB: Monte Coleman
LB: Wilbur Marshall
CB: Darrell Green
CB: Pat Fischer
S: Kenny Houston
S: Sean Taylor

I like your list as long as you swap out Bruce Smith. That's like putting Deion Sanders at Cornerback. *shudder* Maybe, we could switch to a 3-4 to accommodate more Linebackers.

 

[JohnLockesGhost]

We don't talk about that.

Why? This isn't a Fun Zone?

 

[lurkercowboy]

I have updated my All-Time team with a 53-man roster. Many will disagree with my choices but I have some criteria that eliminates some players, namely that they had to have played for us for at least 7 seasons. It is therefore not necessarily a list of the 53 best players but of guys who were with us for more than a handful of years and made great contributions to the team.

NOTE: The number after the player's name is the Pro-Bowls they were selected to.

QB: Roger Staubach-6, Troy Aikman-6, Danny White-1 (I would have preferred Merideth but Danny is also my punter, saving a roster spot).
RB: Emmitt Smith-8, Tony Dorsett-4
FB: Don Perkins-6, Walt Garrison-0, Daryl Johnston-2
TE: Jay Novacek-5, Billy Joe Dupree-3, Doug Cosbie-3 (Witten will make the team in a few more years).
WR: Bob Hayes-3, Michael Irvin-5, Drew Pearson-3, Tony Hill-3, Frank Clarke-1, Butch Johnson-0
C: Mark Stepnoski-3, Dave Manders-2
OG: Larry Allen-10, John Niland-7, Nate Newton-6, Herb Scott-3
OT: Rayfield Wright-6, Erik Williams-4, Pat Donovan-4, Mark Tuinei-2
K: Rafael Septien-1

CB: Mel Renfro-10, Cornell Green-5, Everson Walls-4, Michael Downs-1
S: Charlie Waters-3, Cliff Harris-6, Darren Woodson-5, Dennis Thurman-0, Bill Bates Bates-1 (Bates is my STs guy).
OLB: Chuck Howley-5, Dave Edwards-0, Jerry Tubbs-1, D.D. Lewis-0
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan-5, Bob Breunig-3
DE: George Andrie-5, Ed Jones-3, Harvey Martin-4, Tony Tolbert-1, Jim Jeffcoat-0
DT: Bob Lilly-11, Randy White-9, Jethro Pugh-0, Leon Lett-2, Larry Cole-0


I know many will ask why guys like Charles Haley and Deion Sanders aren't on the team but they didn't play long enough for us to make MY team.

Short-timers and other leftovers team

QB Drew Bledsoe
RB Herschel Walker
FB Robert Newhouse
TE Jason Witten
WR Terrell Owens
WR Alvin Harper
C Ray Donaldson
OG Tom Rafferty – Kevin Gogan
OT Jim Cooper – Ron Stone
K Eddie Murray

CB Deion Sanders
CB Kevin Smith
S George Teague
S Brock Marion
OLB Hollywood Henderson
OLB Anthony Dickerson
MLB Eugene Lockhart
DE Charles Haley
DE Greg Ellis
DT John Dutton
DT Laroi Glover

 

[Chief]

QB: Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Robert Newhouse
WR: Michael Irvin
WR: Drew Pearson
TE: Doug Cosbie
OT: Rayfield Wright
OT: Erik Williams (before the accident)
OG: Larry Allen
OG: John Niland
C: John Fitzgerald

DE: Charles Haley
DE: Ed Jones
DT: Bob Lilly
DT: Randy White
OLB: Thomas Henderson
OLB: Chuck Howley
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan
CB: Deion Sanders
CB: Mel Renfro
FS: Cliff Harris
SS: Darren Woodson

 

[lurkercowboy]

All-great-with-somebody-else-team

QB Randall Cunningham
RB Timmy Smith
WR Harold Carmichael
WR Jimmy Smith
TE Todd Christensen

 

[Renesis]

Why? This isn't a Fun Zone?

Obviously you haven't read the first two rules.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here's mine:

QB - Starter Roger Staubach, Backup Troy Aikman
RB - Starter Emmitt Smith, Backup Tony Dorsett
FB - Starter Hershel Walker, Backup Moose Johnston
WR - Starters Michael Irvin/"Bullet" Bob Hayes, Backup Drew Pearson/ Terrell Owens.
TE - Starter Jason Witten, Backup Billy Joe Dupree
C - Starter Step, Backup Dave Manders
G - Starters Larry Allen/Herb Scott, Backup Nate Newton/John Niland
T - Starters Rayfield Wright/Big E, Backup Ralph Neely/Tui

DE - Starters Ed "Too Tall" Jones/Harvey Martin, Backup Charles Haley/Jim Jeffcoat
DT - Starters Randy White/Bob Lilly, Backup Larry Cole, John Dutton
MLB - Starter Lee Roy Jordan, Backup DD Lewis
OLB - Starters Chuck Howley/De Marcus Ware, Backup Hollywood Henderson/Ken Norton
SS - Starter Cliff Harris, Backup Roy Williams
FS - Starter Cornell Green, Backup Charlie Waters
CB - Starters Deion Sanders/Mel Renfro, Backup Terrance Newman/ "Pup" Smith

Punter - Danny White, Backup Sam Baker

Kicker - Starter Mike Vanderjagt , Backup Eddie Murray

HC Tom Landry, 2nd Choice Jimmy Johnson.

GM Tex Schram, 2nd Choice Stephan Jones

Owner Jerry Jones, 2nd Choice Clint Merchisan

 

[ouvan59]

I'll take a shot at both

QB: Roger Staubach
QB: Sammy Baugh
RB: Emmitt Smith
RB: John Riggins
FB: Daryl Johnston
FB: Charlie Harraway
WR#1: Michael Irvin
WR#1: Charley Taylor
WR#2: Bob Hayes
WR#2: Bobby Mitchell
WR#3: Tony Hill
WR#3: Art Monk
TE: Billy Joe Dupree
TE: Jerry Smith
OT: Rayfield Wright
OT: Joe Jacoby
OT: Erik Williams
OT: Jim Lachey
OG: John Niland
OG: Russ Grimm
OG: Larry Allen
C: Mark Stepnoski
C: Len Hauss


DE: Harvey Martin
DE: Dexter Manley
DE: Ed Jones
DE: Charles Mann
DT: Bob Lilly
DT: Dave Butz
DT: Randy White
DT: Diron Talbert
LB: Chuck Howley
LB: Sam Huff
LB: Lee Roy Jordan
LB: Chris Hanburger
LB: Bob Breunig
LB: Neil Olkewicz
CB: Mel Renfro
CB: Pat Fischer
CB: Everson Walls
CB: Darrell Green
S: Darren Woodson
S: Ken Houston
S: Cliff Harris
S: Brig Owens

 

[ravidubey]

Here is MY All-Time Cowboys Team...

QB: Roger Staubach
RB: Emmitt Smith
FB: Walt Garrison
TE: Jay Novacek
WR: Bob Hayes
WR: Michael Irvin
C: Mark Stepnoski
OG: Nate Newton
OG: Larry Allen
OT: Pat Donovan
OT: Rayfield Wright
K: Rafael Septien
P: Danny White

CB: Mel Renfro
CB: Everson Walls
S: Charlie Waters
S: Cliff Harris
OLB: Chuck Howley
MLB: Lee Roy Jordan
OLB: Dave Edwards
DE: George Andrie
DE: Ed Jones
DT Bob LIlly
DT: Randy White

Interesting, you'd choose Walls over Deion despite the clear difference in talent and productivity (not to mention Deion never took plays off like Walls routinely did). I remember a play in 1987 when Walls just forgot to cover Gary Clark when he was staring right at him. Everson was a natural free safety, and Bill Parcells took advantage of that.

Anyway, I'm assuming you made your choice because of some kind of personal dislike of Deion's style, but then you choose Raphael Septien, a known pedophile? Of course you could also think of Deion as a hired gun, but the man was a Cowboy for 5 years. He certainly acheived more as a Cowboy more than he did anywhere else-- his 1998 season alone was amazing, broken toe and all. In every game of the first half of that season Deion made at least one game-changing play that put us in a position to win the game (we didn't always come through, but he put us in position).

The combination of Mel Renfro and Deion Sanders is the best any NFL team could possibly muster IMHO.

EDIT: Ooops, caught your update. Still, I'd make an exception to the 7-year rule for Deion!