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I guess it’s deceiving to say that the OL is not giving Dak enough time but here ya go:

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

Dak has 2.99 seconds to throw for third best.

Btw, this may be unpopular by some but sack rates are a QB stat. The QB has the most influence on this stat.

Bottom line, our OL is still good and no they haven’t fallen off a cliff.
 
Bluestang said:
I guess it’s deceiving to say that the OL is not giving Dak enough time but here ya go:

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

Dak has 2.99 seconds to throw for third best.

Btw, this may be unpopular by some but sack rates are a QB stat. The QB has the most influence on this stat.

Bottom line, our OL is still good and no they haven’t fallen off a cliff.
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The oline is over rated at this point, but Dak is a huge contributing factor towards our declining OL play. That and from my very novice opinion we dont appear to be coaching to his strengths.
 
Its painfully obvious to all but dak Homer's that it's on him.
He had plenty if time in the pocket yesterday.
He is not stepping into throws, throwing off his back foot and he has got zero ability to go though his progressions correctly. He is also gun shy. The dump offs are becoming embarrassing.....
Ir doesn't help that we have the worst collection of wr and te ever assembled.....
 
unionjack8 said:
Its painfully obvious to all but dak Homer's that it's on him.
He had plenty if time in the pocket yesterday.
He is not stepping into throws, throwing off his back foot and he has got zero ability to go though his progressions correctly. He is also gun shy. The dump offs are becoming embarrassing.....
Ir doesn't help that we have the worst collection of wr and te ever assembled.....
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Geee...do you think?

Do you think it helps when he does make throws people drop them or step out of bounds on td throws?

Just wondering since everyone has it figured out.
 
I think part of the problem yesterday was that they were afraid to run the read option against Seattle's fast defense. They didn't want Dak getting pummeled. It's one thing to run it for good yardage against the Giants, but Seattle would likely have hit him much sooner and punished him for the yards. Take that out of our gameplan and we've got problems. Some games you can't coach to his strengths as much as others.

And Dak is inflating the time to throw stats some because of his tendency to run backwards from pressure. A less mobile QB probably gets sacked about a second before Dak throws the ball away. I'm not saying those plays make a huge difference, but they do add up. Part of the problem is that he runs away from the line a lot of the time and then doesn't have a good throw when he finally does throw it. So that's part on the line for not protecting him, part on him for running the wrong way.
 
I do believe the O-line overall has fallen off a cliff as compared to 2014.

However, I also agree with the OP that Dak and the OC have to find away to adjust for this. (Just like Seattle did).
Some folks were asking where our D-line was during the game, but apparently did not notice how quickly Wilson was getting the ball out. (It was even brought up during the telecast fyi)

The truth is it could be a mixture of all these things as well. The scheme, Dak, the O-line, receivers. Maybe it is all of them, which is why we are just so bad.

I'll say this if I haven't said it enough. Say what you will about Dez but he was still making "chunk" plays within this offense up until the end. Plays like that Arizona game last season. Dak didn't seem to have issues getting the ball to Witten either. Where are our "chunk" plays now? Seriously missing Witten over the middle as well.
 
JDSmith said:
I think part of the problem yesterday was that they were afraid to run the read option against Seattle's fast defense. They didn't want Dak getting pummeled. It's one thing to run it for good yardage against the Giants, but Seattle would likely have hit him much sooner and punished him for the yards. Take that out of our gameplan and we've got problems. Some games you can't coach to his strengths as much as others.

And Dak is inflating the time to throw stats some because of his tendency to run backwards from pressure. A less mobile QB probably gets sacked about a second before Dak throws the ball away. I'm not saying those plays make a huge difference, but they do add up. Part of the problem is that he runs away from the line a lot of the time and then doesn't have a good throw when he finally does throw it. So that's part on the line for not protecting him, part on him for running the wrong way.
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Im am so tired of protecting Dak. They take away what he does best in order to preserve him to play like trash. It makes zero sense.
 
JDSmith said:
I think part of the problem yesterday was that they were afraid to run the read option against Seattle's fast defense. They didn't want Dak getting pummeled. It's one thing to run it for good yardage against the Giants, but Seattle would likely have hit him much sooner and punished him for the yards. Take that out of our gameplan and we've got problems. Some games you can't coach to his strengths as much as others.

And Dak is inflating the time to throw stats some because of his tendency to run backwards from pressure. A less mobile QB probably gets sacked about a second before Dak throws the ball away. I'm not saying those plays make a huge difference, but they do add up. Part of the problem is that he runs away from the line a lot of the time and then doesn't have a good throw when he finally does throw it. So that's part on the line for not protecting him, part on him for running the wrong way.
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I would imagine that would inflate that stat quite a bit actually??
 
It’s a combo of Dak and the OL. To be honest.

Dak holds the ball too long at times.

That being said. The cowboys have sunk ENORMOUS capital into the OL. 3, first round picks, 1 second rounder and huge amounts of cap space.

With all of those resources poured into the OL, it needs to be a dominant unit. If it’s not going to be, the rest of the offense isn’t talented enough to succeed.

The team is built to rely on the OL. And right now the OL is unreliable.
 
JDSmith said:
It depends on how often it happens as a percentage of pass attempts. If he was doing it every play it would be huge, but one in 7 plays mitigates the difference.
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Absolutely, just seems to me that has possibly been the case between that first game and this one. Not sure how anyone could say that performance even remotely resembles our our 2014 line so far. Of course we have had problems with free blitzers as well.
 
Ken said:
Geee...do you think?

Do you think it helps when he does make throws people drop them or step out of bounds on td throws?

Just wondering since everyone has it figured out.
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Lol. 1 or 2 isolated incidents per game
Gio ook at the last 11 games of his . He is consistently poor.. .that's the truth. It appears you can't handle it.
 
unionjack8 said:
Lol. 1 or 2 isolated incidents per game
Gio ook at the last 11 games of his . He is consistently poor.. .that's the truth. It appears you can't handle it.
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It appears that you are unable to understand the very simple concept of it is a team game. When your team that is supporting you and the coaching staff that is supporting you is sorry, don't expect to excel.

They LITERALLY....and i can't emphasize this enough....have the WORST skill positions in the league. And it isn't even close.


Repeat that to yourself until it starts to make sense to you.
 
Bluestang said:
I guess it’s deceiving to say that the OL is not giving Dak enough time but here ya go:

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw

Dak has 2.99 seconds to throw for third best.

Btw, this may be unpopular by some but sack rates are a QB stat. The QB has the most influence on this stat.

Bottom line, our OL is still good and no they haven’t fallen off a cliff.
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This is a deceiving stat because if you sort this list by passer rating you will see that the highest rated passers have 'less' time to throw, so this is really an indication of how long until they throw the ball or are sacked/run. So it could be that the WRs aren't open or that Dak simply is reading the field fast enough. Seeing some of the tape breakdown I suspect Dak is just holding the ball too long and is avoiding throws to the sideline, which he is not accurate at making, resulting in the defense taking away the throws he likes in the middle of the field.
 
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