Older Parcells video on Romo

And you just keep burying yourself in delusion and refuse to look at the facts that no QB in the history of the game could've won with the defenses we kept (and continue) to put on the field. You're on the island of "I look bad but I don't care."

But that's okay, it's a message board and always entertaining.


My post had absolutely nothing to do with Romo. I was talking about Bill Parcells.

I guess that means you're on an island of "I don't know what the... I'm talking about."

Enjoy watching a real Cowboy QB tomorrow!! Maybe we can ship the imposter back to Wisconsin. It was always a joke we had Favre fan QBing the Cowboys. Finally got a guy who was born a bread to lead us!
 
The "8-8 Romo years" is something the team, its coach, and fans should thank Romo for, because without Romo, those are 5-11 teams. These are average ranks for those three seasons:

Romo 7th
his defenses
pts allowed 22nd
DPR 28th
his running games
yards 24th
TD 25th
team avg rank 25th

And we could've really thanked him, because without the blunders, the Cowboys would've been 11-5 in 2011 and 10-6 in 2013.

He giveth and he taketh away
 
Outside of 2007 and 2014 it has been bamboo under the finger nails.
I'm talking 5-11 at best, with one or a series of half-decent Bledsoe-type FA quarterbacks, who would never get the blame for losing win-or-go-home games because they wouldn't be good enough to drag those teams into them in the first place. I'm talking about not even being able to put a competitive product on the field, or justify keeping the same head coach.

With the possible exception of 1960-63, without Romo, 2010-13 would have been the worst 4-year stretch in the history of the franchise.
 
"Lucked" is subjective bloke.
Who does not love his personal stats? I do.
Yet on every post-Super Bowl show I feel a yen for postseason salve.
Me too, but if this feeling ever confuses me to the point that I start blaming the team's best players, please straighten me out.
 
Without Bill Parcells there would be no Tony Romo. Tony.is only the 2nd quarterback in NFL Super Bowl era history not to throw a single pass in his career until his 3rd season and end up being a starter for a season.

That's not the only thing he had in common with the first guy. They had the same Head Coach. That first quarterback was Jeff Hostetler, starting quarterback for the 1990 Super Bowl Champion New York Giants.

.....which is why I say there would be no Tony without Bill. You just know.someone.else would have rushed him out there too quickly a la Chad Hensen and Chad Hutchinson and he would be out of football in a year.

Sorry if this has already been discussed and I missed it, but did you hear Parcells tell him that he is "too frail" to hold on to the ball? Tony was never seen as a physical guy. He was seen as a guy who could be very productive when given the weapons. This is why he was never drafted. He could never go in and take the puishment that the majority of starting rookie quarterbacks were forced to do, guys like Troy Aikman, he was molested by the Eagle D that year.

This is why Parcells would never have felt comfortable with until he had his offensive line and his running game and a potentially strong defense.

He had all of that in 2006. The Cowboys had a strong run blocking line with bigs like Flozell, Gurode, and.Davis, all future multiple Pro Bowlers. He had an excellent one two punch in the PROPER use of Barber and Julius Jones. He had young defense with the potential to be great and, in fact, that defense was in the top 10 three consecutive years. The Cowboys were a top ten team in yardage differential four consecutive years.

I object very strongly when I see posters claiming that poor Tony always had to carry the team on his back, not so.

For a team to be a champion they can't just be a great team or even the best team. They have to commit to taking advantage of the opportinities that present itself. I have done a lot of research and discovered that the best team each year only wins the Super Bowl half the time. The best team is based on a combination of record and statistical rank. Some of the best teams like the 70's Rams or the 90's Eagles were the best and eliminated in the divisional round.

That really is the defference between the 70's Steelers, 80's 49ers, 90's Cowboys and today''s Patriots versus the 70's Rams, the 80's Bengals, the 90's Eagles and todays....well.....Cowboys.

Tony Romo and the Cowboys have had their opportunities. They had their chance to put a dagger in their toughest opponents enroute to the Super Bowl, but they.were always the one that got impaled. They simply did not take advantage of the opportunities.

Tony Romo took several seasons to grow up. In his younger seasons, after Parcells left, he violated several of those commandments.

Tony Romo threw impulsively at times and it cost. Parcells warned.that impusive throws were usually bad throws.

Tony Romo became a celebrity quarterback when his girlfriend, actress Jesicca Simpson showed up at a nationally televised game wearing his jersey. The amount of attention she received didnt go.over too well with the opponent, the Cowboys lost.

Tony downplayed the importance of leadership and taking advantage of opportunity whe he said to the effect that if losing the playoff game they had just completed was the worst thing to happen then he would have a wonderful life.

Its not that he was wrong in his perspective but it demonstrated a lack of understanding the importance of taking advantage of those opportunities I previously mentioned. You can bet he understands now.

The same goes for his trip down to a prominent beach in the middle of the bye leading up to their playoff game....a game they lost.

I would be genuinely disappointed for Tony Romo and all of his fans if he did not win a Super Bowl before he retires. I would go so far as to say it would be the difference when talking about the HOF.

However, nobody can say he didnt have his opportunities. In so many games, it was the difference.of single play. Be honest. When the average NFL fan thinks of Tony Romo, what is the first play that comes to their mind? What single play can NFL fans consider as Tony's signature play?

I want Tony back but my years as a fan tells me that his career is over, I hope I am wrong. However, if I right, then, just like Meredith, Staubach, Danny White, and Troy Aikman and any other quarterback, past or future..

....There is always a beginning. There will always be an end.
 
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34-30 regular season

0-2 in the playoffs

No other Cowboy coach would be as lauded with that average record.

That team had more talent than glover and Allen. Hell Allen wasn't that good.
Dat football playing dude
Greg Ellis
Woody
Newman
Roy Williams was a legit all pro(at least the first 8 games)
Flozell Adams Don't like him but cant say he wasn't a talent
Coakley
Galloway, Joey
Terry Glenn
Bryant
Gurode
And a darn good D.Cord in Mike Zimmer. Who Parcells couldn't wait to get rid of.


All that talent and 5-11 3 years in a row. Fluke
 
I think that's a wise choice.



It's never been "answered" because it can't be. It's indefensible.



And yet nobody but Jason Garrett can't win. Nobody wins as much with backups, and nobody ever claimed otherwise, but Garrett doesn't win at all without Romo.



My argument is just fine thanks. Infinitely more credible than a fan's excuses with no facts supporting them.
your argument isnt fine but I dont care.just do me a favor stay of the band wagon when the time comes
 
My post had absolutely nothing to do with Romo. I was talking about Bill Parcells.

I guess that means you're on an island of "I don't know what the... I'm talking about."

Enjoy watching a real Cowboy QB tomorrow!! Maybe we can ship the imposter back to Wisconsin. It was always a joke we had Favre fan QBing the Cowboys. Finally got a guy who was born a bread to lead us!
Okay, wow. Calling Romo an "imposter" is probably one of the worst things I have ever read on this board. And worse you're calling him an imposter while comparing him to a rookie who has never thrown a regular season pass. I'm assuming Dak is the "real Cowboy QB" you were referring to.

I'm as excited about Dak as everyone else and I think that he will be the next franchise guy, but dude we got to pump the breaks on this. If anyone thinks that we're better off with Dak playing tomorrow then Romo must not have been watching Romo the last 5 years. Romo gives us the best chance of winning. It sucks that he is injured.

I'm rooting for Dak all the way tomorrow but when Romo is healthy. I want him under center leading the team. And I already know what everyone is going to say, "well he'll get injured again on the first play" and I say that even for that one play I'll be happier with Romo under center.
 
Okay, wow. Calling Romo an "imposter" is probably one of the worst things I have ever read on this board. And worse you're calling him an imposter while comparing him to a rookie who has never thrown a regular season pass. I'm assuming Dak is the "real Cowboy QB" you were referring to.

I'm as excited about Dak as everyone else and I think that he will be the next franchise guy, but dude we got to pump the breaks on this. If anyone thinks that we're better off with Dak playing tomorrow then Romo must not have been watching Romo the last 5 years. Romo gives us the best chance of winning. It sucks that he is injured.

I'm rooting for Dak all the way tomorrow but when Romo is healthy. I want him under center leading the team. And I already know what everyone is going to say, "well he'll get injured again on the first play" and I say that even for that one play I'll be happier with Romo under center.
of course Romo is the better QB at this point
 
All that talent and 5-11 3 years in a row. Fluke

6-10 the next year, after Parcells brought in those slugs from the Chargers. Guys were getting knocked 10 yards off the ball vs the Chiefs in 2003, I knew we were doomed when Parcells signed them.

But then again, did he have any good signings outside of Kosar?
 
Me too, but if this feeling ever confuses me to the point that I start blaming the team's best players, please straighten me out.
To clarify: the QB is team leader. When that QB is at the end of career with a grand total of TWO career playoff wins as leader of his team and NOT EVEN A WHIFF OF A SUPER BOWL, the feeling might be to end the experiment of how great personal stats convert to playoff success. No one, lad, is asking you to remove yourself from the altar of St. Romo.
But it is time to try something else after a decade of futility and hangdog statements in December of "we have to do better."
Sit down lad, you'll feel better soon.
 
This is why Parcells would never have felt comfortable with until he had his offensive line and his running game and a potentially strong defense.

He had all of that in 2006. He had young defense with the potential to be great and, in fact, that defense was in the top 10 three consecutive years.
Those top 10's you're referring to were in total yards, so there's no consideration of how long the offense stays on the field, limiting the number of drives your defense has to face. That keeps total yards down, but it's really an effect of the offense -- not the defense. Also, yards don't win games, points do. Here are our defense's yearly ranks as an average of the two defensive metrics with the strongest correlation to winning (points allowed per drive, defensive passer rating) in those seasons:

2006 20th (19th/21st)
2007 10th (14th/5th)
2008 18th (14th/21st)
2009 10th (3rd/17th)

So we did in fact have top 10 defenses in 2007 and 2009 in the regular season. Those have been the only two above-average defenses of the Romo era, but those defenses greatly under-performed in the postseason. The 2007 defense allowed a 132.4 rating to Eli, and the 2009 version gave up a 134.4 to Favre. Teams that allow a rating above 125 in a playoff game are 1-69 since 1960.

If you really think Romo's teams in any way compare with the teams of other great QB, you can do the research and compare. It's an interesting topic. The only QB I can think of in the Super Bowl era who's done more with less is Peyton Manning, who ironically was bailed out by his defense in both of his successful Super Bowl runs. What did Parcells say? "It takes a symphony," (not a soloist).
 
If Dak can lead this team to two deep playoff runs he already accomplished more than Tony. If you can do 4 playoff berths than he is tied with him. I think Romo broke too many of Parcells rules. That is why his Era is ending without success but stats.
And that was the past.

Romo is not the same player now..

too many significant injuries and he can'take even hit the ground without breaking something.

He never aged like fine wine like most thought he would including Jerrah.

He's aged like a wine that is past it's peek and suddenly turns to vinegar.

It happens..that $200 bottle is suddenly fancy cooking wine.

That's what Romo is now..

There is no shame in being our #2 now..
 
6-10 the next year, after Parcells brought in those slugs from the Chargers. Guys were getting knocked 10 yards off the ball vs the Chiefs in 2003, I knew we were doomed when Parcells signed them.

But then again, did he have any good signings outside of Kosar?

Or

Or, stay with me,

might have been releasing the starting qb in camp for failing a drug test throwing everything into chaos and having to roll with a 40yr old QB
 
Those top 10's you're referring to were in total yards, so there's no consideration of how long the offense stays on the field, limiting the number of drives your defense has to face. That keeps total yards down, but it's really an effect of the offense -- not the defense. Also, yards don't win games, points do. Here are our defense's yearly ranks as an average of the two defensive metrics with the strongest correlation to winning (points allowed per drive, defensive passer rating) in those seasons:

2006 20th (19th/21st)
2007 10th (14th/5th)
2008 18th (14th/21st)
2009 10th (3rd/17th)

So we did in fact have top 10 defenses in 2007 and 2009 in the regular season. Those have been the only two above-average defenses of the Romo era, but those defenses greatly under-performed in the postseason. The 2007 defense allowed a 132.4 rating to Eli, and the 2009 version gave up a 134.4 to Favre. Teams that allow a rating above 125 in a playoff game are 1-69 since 1960.

If you really think Romo's teams in any way compare with the teams of other great QB, you can do the research and compare. It's an interesting topic. The only QB I can think of in the Super Bowl era who's done more with less is Peyton Manning, who ironically was bailed out by his defense in both of his successful Super Bowl runs. What did Parcells say? "It takes a symphony," (not a soloist).


The offense also failed in the Minnesota game. 4 first half drives inside the Minny 30, only 3 points to show for it. The damn broke in the second half. I don't really blame Romo for never winning a SB, my criticism is he underachieved in 2011 and 2013. Not all him but he made key blunders that cost the team wins. Save you metric stats, Nate silver. I watched the games.
 
I don't really blame Romo for never winning a SB, my criticism is he underachieved in 2011 and 2013.
While you're at it, why not say he underachieved in 2012? Makes just as much sense.

Romo (passer rating)
2011 4th
2012 10th
2013 8th

Defense (passer rating)
2011 25th
2012 29th
2013 26th

Rushing yards (offense)
2011 30th
2012 31st
2013 24th
 
34-30 regular season

0-2 in the playoffs

No other Cowboy coach would be as lauded with that average record.

That team had more talent than glover and Allen. Hell Allen wasn't that good.
Dat football playing dude
Greg Ellis
Woody
Newman
Roy Williams was a legit all pro(at least the first 8 games)
Flozell Adams Don't like him but cant say he wasn't a talent
Coakley
Galloway, Joey
Terry Glenn
Bryant
Gurode
And a darn good D.Cord in Mike Zimmer. Who Parcells couldn't wait to get rid of.

I just can't understand Cowboys' fans and their attempt to re-write the history of this team.

-Dat was OK and football smart but he was way undersized for the NFL. And are we really that hungry to dig up talent that we put Coakley up there on some pedestal?
-Greg Ellis scoffed at being moved to OLB in the 3 - 4 but he arguably had some of his best years there. Even he admitted as much. His career was reguvinated under Parcells.
-Flozell Adams was on the way out in Dallas but Parcells believed that "left tackles don't grow on trees." The Hotel was another guy whose career was rejuvenated under Parcells' tenure. You can add Gurode to that list as well.
-Terry Glenn was a Parcells' guy.
-Terrence Williams was Parcells' first draft choice.

And which Bryant are you referring to when you talk about talent? I think I know but I'm not sure if you're serious.

Zimmer was held in high esteem by Parcells, who spoke glowingly of the coach's son. You'll find no reporting where Parcells tried to push Zimmer out. But you will find Parcells talking about Zimmer's football intelligence and the respect he had for Zimmer was obvious. I don't even know where you came up with the idea that Parcells wanted him out.
-Woody loved Parcells and you never heard Woody say a cross word about his HC.

And any Cowboy player who held the team's records for his respective position would be lauded. This holds true at QB where we've been blessed with HOFers at that position. The ONLY reason we had a chance on Sundays is because of Romo. Romo didn't let the team down, the GM and Garrett let Romo down. That should be obvious to any Cowboys fan with half a brain.
 
Enjoy watching a real Cowboy QB tomorrow!! Maybe we can ship the imposter back to Wisconsin. It was always a joke we had Favre fan QBing the Cowboys. Finally got a guy who was born a bread to lead us!

I wonder what you'll say if Dak has a 300 plus yard game, a great QBR and puts 30 plus points on the board but the Cowboys still lose to the Giants. Because this was an all too common theme with Romo. I know if that happens I'll be happy we have Dak and won't pin it on his shoulders, no more than I pinned it on Romo under those circumstances. I know where the fault lies.
 

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