One of the many bad calls by the referees last night

[blueblood70]

The first holding call on Guyton was questionable. They do get a lot of flag fests on TNFB but it started making the game unwatchable.

 

[blueblood70]

I thought the officiating was pretty awful for this game and I confirmed my initial opinion when I rewatched the game.

There was an illegal contact penalty called on Dallas that I am pretty sure the contact was initiated with 5 yards making it legal contact.

Neither holding call on Guyton was legit, especially the 2nd 1.

I was focused on Mazi when I rewatched the game and he got held at least 3 times that I saw, but being a NT I assume they just let those go.

The flag they picked up on the Rico Dowdle TD should not have been picked up if it was thrown for Beebe being downfield. Beebe was downfield. It should have been called.

There were a couple of times the Giants DBs hit Cowboys receivers before they caught the ball, enough contact to impede the receivers from catching the ball.

Everyone saw the facemask call that was wrong.

i know it was early in the game but CD had hands to the face and then he was grabbed around the waist , No call would have gave us first downInstead we punted, . See him roll his eyes but kept quiet..2 fouls on the same player NO CALL.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Yeah, that's really my point.

I wasn't blaming anything on the referees, but simply trying to understand their reasoning for throwing some of them, and this case, this one in particular.

Why do you think that wasn’t a forward pass?

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Because the issue isn't the coach. The issue is the sticker on the helmet. All you gotta do is compare GB penalties and Cowboys penalties with McCarthy at each stop. Then compare overall penalties called against both teams since 2000 for a good sample size.

This one is a ref culture problem, not a Cowboys culture problem. It has become accepted and traditional to call the most penalties against Dallas because of previously biased refs against the Cowboys making it the norm.

Agree to a point but the OL was being penalized like crazy when we had Flozell Adams back in the day.

 

[Reality]

Why do you think that wasn’t a forward pass?

I never said it wasn't a forward pass (it was), so maybe you replied to the wrong person or misread what I posted?

 

[Kevinicus]

The refs likely saved us from losing this game.

The Giants had the momentum and were driving again at the beginning of the game. They EASILY could gone up by double digits, and were on their way to it, when that face mask debacle occurred, which stalled their drive and got us back in the game.

I've seen missed face masks...if seen flags that weren't really face masks, but I have NEVER seen a legit face mask, correctly flagged, and then just picked the other team to penalize. Never in my life have I seen that. That would be as insane as calling Intentional Grounding, and then penalizing the defense for it.

Game coulda snowballed quickly if not for that Get Out Of Jail Free card they gave us.

We'd likely be 1-3 if not for that season saving gift from The Refs.

How could they go up by double digits when they never had the ball while they had a lead?

 

[gimmesix]

EXCEPT where the defensive player uses a rip move as part of his defensive charge which the Giants DL did here if you pull the video. It is one of the several exceptions built into the holding rules and explains that it puts the OL in a position that is normally holding. I can't post the rule right now due to traveling so maybe someone else can but there are like 7 of them. This is one I think Guyton is innocent of.

If they are going to not enforce holding when that's done to Parsons, which we've seen over and over again, they don't need to wrongly enforce the rule when our guys do it. Glad to see you not just defending the refs on this one. They get wrongly blamed on some plays, but also make mistakes that should have been avoided. (Haven't seen the game yet, but if they did call a face mask on the Giants when it should be wrong, it reminds me of last year against Detroit when they called tripping on Hendershot when it was clearly the DE doing the tripping.)

 

[MarcusRock]

Understand the rule but I don’t think it applies in this case, Because of the rest of the statement
“If the action is part of a double-team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either blocker or is taken to the ground.”
He clearly split the double team and in real time it’s a penalty in my opinion

What double team? All of Guyton's called holds were 1-on-1 matchups. I just watched them all. And that is a separate exception so it's not contiguous with the rip technique exception so not sure what you mean by "rest of the statement." They're separate.

 

[MarcusRock]

If they are going to not enforce holding when that's done to Parsons, which we've seen over and over again, they don't need to wrongly enforce the rule when our guys do it. Glad to see you not just defending the refs on this one. They get wrongly blamed on some plays, but also make mistakes that should have been avoided. (Haven't seen the game yet, but if they did call a face mask on the Giants when it should be wrong, it reminds me of last year against Detroit when they called tripping on Hendershot when it was clearly the DE doing the tripping.)

I never just defend the refs. I simply call them like I see them according to the rules. Most times it's just an emotional Cowboys fan trying to call a ref crooked via some conspiracy when the ref made the right call, so I say so. My stance to the conspiracy folks has always been that the refs mess stuff up both for and against us as was seen in this game. Had a ref call a penalty on the wrong team to benefit us and people are still trying to claim the Cowboys are special ref victims even in the same game. Hilarious stuff.

 

[GORICO]

I know there were several bad calls last night including a couple that benefited the Cowboys so this is just about trying to understand the logic in why they called this a penalty.

This is from the NFL Rules on Offensive Pass Interference ..

PASS INTERFERENCE - It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.​

This is the play where they called pass interference on Tolbert blocking ..

The screenshot is the right at the moment Tolbert initiated contact with the defender.

Did they really think the dender was going to catch that ball if he was not blocked?

Reality----i am happy because a win is a win but our weaknesses exposed 2nd half...Dak played like hall of famer first half....my lowly opinion Tolbert was not pass 5 yards for block

i agree last few year especially officials can decide games on faulty reasoning....yes we won and i am very happy for that....but with DLAW out and Parsons out our 2nd and 3rd tier players

must step up like no other time....l am so frustrated with McCarthey's total lack of creativity for our receivers....just run out a bit and curl....Pittsburge is licking their chops unless

McCarthey can realize his scheme and formations and play calling on offense is the problem for most part....and make needed adjustments...we have the talent but in my lowly

opinion we do not have the coaching to see it throuth.....i will be so happy if we come away with a "W" against Steelers....it is possible...come on Cowboy leadership lets dig

deep down and leave our pride at the door....and have steeler fans waving white towels because they lost hard....

 

[DandyDon52]

makes sense if the refs were supposed to keep scoring down so that it is "under" ??

 

[MapleLeaf]

Move your circle up to his arm and you will see the holding

To me this picture shows that the pass rusher has beaten Guyton and he has his arm wrapped around him and a trailing position is imminent.

Technically a hold is a lock if you have arm position on a rusher and you can see the back nameplate of his jersey. Guyton was getting there. He was beaten.

Let's face it. Guyton is rookie bad right now, and we are trotting him out because he is the best solution for an entire game. We are going to see some really poor technique and poor footwork because he is a rookie.

This won't be the last holding call on him this year. I am expecting anywhere from 13-20 holding call on Guyton this year after watching these first few games.

This kid is playing what I call "heavy legged" right now.

 

[Bagman]

When theOL arm goes across the chest on the DL rusher it will be called pretty much every time. You all forget these penalties happen in real time not in snap shot time but both examples show that the correct penalty was called I am seeing why there some tin foil hat fans they see what they want not what is. Are there bad calls yes but these 2 are not

Parsons gets "hooked" like this 10 times a game without a call.

 

[Beaker42]

3rd QTR, 3rd & 1. Moot because the pass to the FB was INC.

But Guyton flagged for holding. Thibodeaux clearly tripped over T.Smith's leg and fell (and took Guyton down with him)

But Guyron’s right arm is around his neck. That’s holding f.

 

[MarcusRock]

Parsons gets "hooked" like this 10 times a game without a call.

Sure, if you ignore the 2 holding calls he drew in the very last game he played. But yes, "without a call." Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Lol.

 

[MarcusRock]

This myth has been busted many times over.

With that facemask on the wrong team call, they just witnessed the death knell to their "refs are out to get the Cowboys" excuse so now they just try to ignore it and repeat the victim narrative all the more loudly. Most people see that the refs suck for EVERYBODY but people need to feel "special" I guess. Lol.

 

[CWR]

If they are going to not enforce holding when that's done to Parsons, which we've seen over and over again, they don't need to wrongly enforce the rule when our guys do it. Glad to see you not just defending the refs on this one. They get wrongly blamed on some plays, but also make mistakes that should have been avoided. (Haven't seen the game yet, but if they did call a face mask on the Giants when it should be wrong, it reminds me of last year against Detroit when they called tripping on Hendershot when it was clearly the DE doing the tripping.)

Yeah that was a huge penalty that gets forgotten when the agenda of the refs handing us the game comes out.

 

[CWR]

With that facemask on the wrong team call, they just witnessed the death knell to their "refs are out to get the Cowboys" excuse so now they just try to ignore it and repeat the victim narrative all the more loudly. Most people see that the refs suck for EVERYBODY but people need to feel "special" I guess. Lol.

11 for 89 says differently. I don't look at that game and see the refs doing us any favors. Lol

 

[JustChip]

3rd QTR, 3rd & 1. Moot because the pass to the FB was INC.

But Guyton flagged for holding. Thibodeaux clearly tripped over T.Smith's leg and fell (and took Guyton down with him)

He’s by him and Guyton has his arm across his chest. He may not have a handful of jersey, but that’s a legit penalty. Guyton was call for the exact same thing on another play.

 

[JBS]

I know there were several bad calls last night including a couple that benefited the Cowboys so this is just about trying to understand the logic in why they called this a penalty.

This is from the NFL Rules on Offensive Pass Interference ..

PASS INTERFERENCE - It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.​

This is the play where they called pass interference on Tolbert blocking ..

The screenshot is the right at the moment Tolbert initiated contact with the defender.

Did they really think the dender was going to catch that ball if he was not blocked?

You honestly don’t understand this rule? Of course it’s OPI