One of the worst Cowboy moments ever...

[Bach]

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On the other hand I am not ready to claim that to whatever degree there is a mess, that its because of Jerry's doing or structure but rather more of the combination of personalities/styles involved.

Of course not. Jerry's doing is never his fault.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The two longest runs given up by a Dallas defense EVER in Texas Stadium-- and they happen 4 minutes apart?????

Why isn't there more uproar over this?

... those two runs combined, made my top 5 list of worst Cowboy moments-- ever. And that list goes back to the early 70's.

That moment, (the 2nd long run) made me reconsider where I lay my heart.

When it comes to the Dallas Cowboys, I place my heart on the line more than with any other sports team at any level.

I need to be more careful where I lay my heart, ... I trusted it to the Cowboys Sat. night and it got run over by a truck, smashed into a million pieces on the road.

Living in Steelers country, I had a similar feeling at the end of that game. Everybody around where I live here are Steeler fans, and they know I am a Cowboys fan. We had them beat, which made my heart extremely happy. And then the collapse at the end and my heart was smashed on the ground, where many Steeler friends gladly stepped on it for me.

I thought then that I can't continue to do this, it is just too painful.

I can't continue to place my heart in the hands of the Cowboys, because they don't care about my heart, your heart, our hearts.

And then it happened again Sat. night, and like Mike said, one of the worst moments since the 70's. I have been watching since the mid-60's but it wasn't painful back then.

The Cowboys hold such a special place in my heart, I will ALWAYS watch and cheer for them, every game. I will take up for them in the many, daily conversations with Steeler fans.

But I need to find a way to protect my heart. This is like continually giving your heart to a woman who continually cheats on you.

Losing is one thing, but blowing a 10 pt lead in the last 7 minutes against the most-hated Steelers, or giving up two 80+ yd runs at the end of a game that you found a way to claw back into, twice, .. is just too much.

:bang2:

 

[lurkercowboy]

That moment, (the 2nd long run) made me reconsider where I lay my heart.

When it comes to the Dallas Cowboys, I place my heart on the line more than with any other sports team at any level.

I need to be more careful where I lay my heart, ... I trusted it to the Cowboys Sat. night and it got run over by a truck, smashed into a million pieces on the road.

Living in Steelers country, I had a similar feeling at the end of that game. Everybody around where I live here are Steeler fans, and they know I am a Cowboys fan. We had them beat, which made my heart extremely happy. And then the collapse at the end and my heart was smashed on the ground, where many Steeler friends gladly stepped on it for me.

I thought then that I can't continue to do this, it is just too painful.

I can't continue to place my heart in the hands of the Cowboys, because they don't care about my heart, your heart, our hearts.

And then it happened again Sat. night, and like Mike said, one of the worst moments since the 70's. I have been watching since the mid-60's but it wasn't painful back then.

The Cowboys hold such a special place in my heart, I will ALWAYS watch and cheer for them, every game. I will take up for them in the many, daily conversations with Steeler fans.

But I need to find a way to protect my heart. This is like continually giving your heart to a woman who continually cheats on you.

Losing is one thing, but blowing a 10 pt lead in the last 7 minutes against the most-hated Steelers, or giving up two 80+ yd runs at the end of a game that you found a way to claw back into, twice, .. is just too much.

:bang2:

Every year I feel the same way, but I find a way to get over it by the next game. Win on Sunday and the Raven's game will just be a footnote.

 

[aikemirv]

That moment, (the 2nd long run) made me reconsider where I lay my heart.

When it comes to the Dallas Cowboys, I place my heart on the line more than with any other sports team at any level.

I need to be more careful where I lay my heart, ... I trusted it to the Cowboys Sat. night and it got run over by a truck, smashed into a million pieces on the road.

Living in Steelers country, I had a similar feeling at the end of that game. Everybody around where I live here are Steeler fans, and they know I am a Cowboys fan. We had them beat, which made my heart extremely happy. And then the collapse at the end and my heart was smashed on the ground, where many Steeler friends gladly stepped on it for me.

I thought then that I can't continue to do this, it is just too painful.

I can't continue to place my heart in the hands of the Cowboys, because they don't care about my heart, your heart, our hearts.

And then it happened again Sat. night, and like Mike said, one of the worst moments since the 70's. I have been watching since the mid-60's but it wasn't painful back then.

The Cowboys hold such a special place in my heart, I will ALWAYS watch and cheer for them, every game. I will take up for them in the many, daily conversations with Steeler fans.

But I need to find a way to protect my heart. This is like continually giving your heart to a woman who continually cheats on you.

Losing is one thing, but blowing a 10 pt lead in the last 7 minutes against the most-hated Steelers, or giving up two 80+ yd runs at the end of a game that you found a way to claw back into, twice, .. is just too much.

:bang2:

Very well said. I told my wife Saturday night that I seriously wish I did not care as much as I do because it does hurt so much when that type of thing happens but that is just me, I don't think I can change that part of me now.

It is very difficult to even talk about the Cowboys after this one. I had a friend who called me twice Sunday about the Cowboys and their chances at getting into the playoffs and I found myself not even wanting to discuss it or get my hopes up at all. How could you get your hopes up after watching that display in the 4th quarter? I just don't think I can get them up after this one. It will take a win over the Eagles and a win in the playoffs before I think I would start to get my hopes up again.

 

[CoCo]

But I need to find a way to protect my heart.
:bang2:

I've thought about this myself in the last couple of days.

But I don't think you can enjoy the high's to their fullest without making yourself vulnerable to the lows.

I think its similar to that adage that says "better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all."

You can't truly enjoy the highs unless you give your heart to the team. And that makes you vulnerable to what happened versus Pittsburgh, Baltimore and likely the one remaining loss we'll have in the 2008 season yet to arrive.

I think its worth the pain, but I sure try to divert my attention elsewhere when it arrives.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

The reason the Defense isn't mentioned is that there is this chain that the media and the fans have put around Romo's neck that says he can't win in December or the playoffs. The early part of this game confirmed it to lots of people. What is crazy is that the pressure everyone is putting on Romo just makes it harder for him.

The fans who want him to win a big one are heaping the pressure on him and making it much harder to do so.

What I find funny is how everyone forgets 3 days earlier he couldn't get out of bed. But they expect that he should be throwing 70 yards passes 3 days later. This OL is the reason he broke his pinky, the reason he hurt his back, and the reason he was rushed all game against the Ravens. He was dodging guys all night.

Maybe the reason he can't win in December is because he has been beat up because our OL let's good defenses through like a strainer holding back water

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wow. With the Ice Bowl and Jackie Smith and The Catch and all the scores of other important losses this franchise has faced in playoff and Superbowl games over the last several decades, a week 16 loss to a good Ravens team is one of the worst moments ever?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It's not just the two long runs at the end of the game that really made it hard.

It was us playing for the playoffs and the close of texas stadium with all the former star players.

That was what made it so bad.

Now...as bad as it is, I still think the worst was losing to an expansion team texans but that is just me.

 

[WV Cowboy]

But I don't think you can enjoy the high's to their fullest without making yourself vulnerable to the lows.

I think its similar to that adage that says "better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all."

You can't truly enjoy the highs unless you give your heart to the team. And that makes you vulnerable to what happened versus Pittsburgh, Baltimore and likely the one remaining loss we'll have in the 2008 season yet to arrive.

You are absolutely right, I'm sure thats why we do it, and will do it again until that one remaining loss we'll have in the 2008 season, . . . . . unless, we get hot and, ... no, wait, here I go again !!

Somebody STOP me !!:eekmouse:

:laugh2:

 

[gmb85]

Wow. With the Ice Bowl and Jackie Smith and The Catch and all the scores of other important losses this franchise has faced in playoff and Superbowl games over the last several decades, a week 16 loss to a good Ravens team is one of the worst moments ever?

Maybe not THE worst moment. Considering all the post-game events and all, it ranks up there.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Great post.

The organization is dysfunctional from the top down. What you have is a lack of discipline, accountability and structure.

And your last line, Bob, is important. Jerry is a businessman with a product to sell next season. Good luck selling this same product again as you head into a new stadium.

Hate to go on a Jerry bashing rant because he was not on the field to let those two last runs happen.

But since we have had our last Superbowl and playoff win for that matter...There has been one constant. Jerry Jones.

We have had different players, different coaches, different philosophies of coaching, different offenses and defenses.

But one constant through it all...Jerry Jones.

Jerry is a great business man but he needs to let someone else be the GM and if not he needs to bring in someone else that he has enough respect for to loosen his grip a tad. He did that some with Parcells but that was during a rebuilding phase somewhat and I have to wonder if Wade is going to be gone if Holmgren will come in because that might be the only guy Jerry respects enough to give that kind of power to or even to the level that Tuna had.

We will see.

 

[CoCo]

I know some will probably go ballistic over this, but once McClain got into FG territory on his run the smart play was to let him get into the endzone.

That is IMO why you saw Newman giving less than 100% and also why McClain's teammate was urging him (too late) to down himself before the endzone.

Playing the game straight up I don't believe McClain gets in because I think Newman stops him.

That only matters of course in the discussion about "back-to-back to the house runs" or "worst in history" which I personally think is a meaningless conversation.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Wow. With the Ice Bowl and Jackie Smith and The Catch and all the scores of other important losses this franchise has faced in playoff and Superbowl games over the last several decades, a week 16 loss to a good Ravens team is one of the worst moments ever?

Yes, there's a difference between a bad moment and an embarrassing moment.

I wasn't a fan during the Ice Bowl... but I think others that were certainly wouldn't call that moment embarrassing.

I was there for Jackie Smith and "The Catch". Painful moments to be sure, but not embarrassing.

The teams representing the three moments listed above were deep into the playoffs-- they had proven something.

But what happened Saturday night was beyond ludicrous. It was embarrassing. This was right up there with losing to the Texans in their first game. This was right up there with the Campo years and allowing 3-200 yard rushers in the same season.

When the team went 1-15 in 1989 it was hurtful, but not embarrassing... Because neither the talent nor the expectations were there.

This team is different...

Saturday was embarrassing with a capital "E". It was shameful.

 

[notherbob]

This loss didn't make me feel bad; I expected it. I knew they would find some way to fall on their faces and seize defeat from the jaws of victory, I just didn't know how they would do it - only that they would. I admit it I was surprised at how quickly they collapsed in back to back total disaster plays. I have to give the football gods credit for creativity; the Cowboys were all wound up to pull another one out of the fire and lightening struck twice as the Boys tripped over their own shoelaces at the worst possible time in the most embarrassing way possible.

I say embarrassing but I'm not sure this team can be embarrassed, Jerry Jones certainly doesn't have the social awareness to be embarrassed about anything. I was born in the foothills of the Ozarks and being something of a hillbilly myself, I kinda understand how them folks think. Type A personalities are always totally forgiving of themselves since they can do no wrong anyway. It's the rest of us fools who feel embarrassment at the ludicrous actions of others.

Since I don't care for Jerry Jones I would like to blame all this on him but I can't because he wasn't playing in any of the games this year and certainly not in the late minutes of the Saturday night debacle. Now, that's frustrating. This disorganized mob of superstars blended in with nobodies has yet to become a team or even know how to act like one. It seems like they put more energy into perfecting their celebration dances than they do in making plays. This team is a reflection of its management and coaching.

It's not my problem to solve, it's Jerry's and history says he's not going to solve it, he's just going to press on harder in the wrong direction. If you're a Cowboys fan, part of the show is watching the Supreme Commander of the Cowboys stumble and bumble his way around as the Don Quixote of the NFL. He even has a sawed-off sidekick in Danny who's just as crazy as he is and an even bigger fool.

There, I've managed to blame Jerry anyway.

One thing I know for sure, it wasn't the fault of anyone on this board except to the extent that we let our hopes and dreams build up yet again only to be inevitably dashed in December like a bunch of NFL lemmings who don't seem to ever learn.

Oh well, there's one more chance that this undeserving mob gets into the playoffs and it's against yet another tough team that doesn't love them and has something to play for, both things that don't bode well for Dallas in December. If I just had any idea which team would show up...???

 

[MichaelWinicki]

One of the best posts every notherBob...


Well said.

 

[CoCo]

Yes, there's a difference between a bad moment and an embarrassing moment.

I wasn't a fan during the Ice Bowl... but I think others that were certainly wouldn't call that moment embarrassing.

I was there for Jackie Smith and "The Catch". Painful moments to be sure, but not embarrassing.

The teams representing the three moments listed above were deep into the playoffs-- they had proven something.

But what happened Saturday night was beyond ludicrous. It was embarrassing. This was right up there with losing to the Texans in their first game. This was right up there with the Campo years and allowing 3-200 yard rushers in the same season.

When the team went 1-15 in 1989 it was hurtful, but not embarrassing... Because neither the talent nor the expectations were there.

This team is different...

Saturday was embarrassing with a capital "E". It was shameful.

Well now you seem to be changing the discussion to "embarrassing" versus "worst" as your OP stated.

And I'll agree, that's an entirely different conversation.

 

[Cbz40]

This loss didn't make me feel bad; I expected it. I knew they would find some way to fall on their faces and seize defeat from the jaws of victory, I just didn't know how they would do it - only that they would. I admit it I was surprised at how quickly they collapsed in back to back total disaster plays. I have to give the football gods credit for creativity; the Cowboys were all wound up to pull another one out of the fire and lightening struck twice as the Boys tripped over their own shoelaces at the worst possible time in the most embarrassing way possible.

I say embarrassing but I'm not sure this team can be embarrassed, Jerry Jones certainly doesn't have the social awareness to be embarrassed about anything. I was born in the foothills of the Ozarks and being something of a hillbilly myself, I kinda understand how them folks think. Type A personalities are always totally forgiving of themselves since they can do no wrong anyway. It's the rest of us fools who feel embarrassment at the ludicrous actions of others.

Since I don't care for Jerry Jones I would like to blame all this on him but I can't because he wasn't playing in any of the games this year and certainly not in the late minutes of the Saturday night debacle. Now, that's frustrating. This disorganized mob of superstars blended in with nobodies has yet to become a team or even know how to act like one. It seems like they put more energy into perfecting their celebration dances than they do in making plays. This team is a reflection of its management and coaching.

It's not my problem to solve, it's Jerry's and history says he's not going to solve it, he's just going to press on harder in the wrong direction. If you're a Cowboys fan, part of the show is watching the Supreme Commander of the Cowboys stumble and bumble his way around as the Don Quixote of the NFL. He even has a sawed-off sidekick in Danny who's just as crazy as he is and an even bigger fool.

There, I've managed to blame Jerry anyway.

One thing I know for sure, it wasn't the fault of anyone on this board except to the extent that we let our hopes and dreams build up yet again only to be inevitably dashed in December like a bunch of NFL lemmings who don't seem to ever learn.

Oh well, there's one more chance that this undeserving mob gets into the playoffs and it's against yet another tough team that doesn't love them and has something to play for, both things that don't bode well for Dallas in December. If I just had any idea which team would show up...???

Bob that was a great post.....The coffee must have tasted great this morning.

 

[CoCo]

This loss didn't make me feel bad; I expected it. I knew they would find some way to fall on their faces and seize defeat from the jaws of victory, I just didn't know how they would do it - only that they would. I admit it I was surprised at how quickly they collapsed in back to back total disaster plays. I have to give the football gods credit for creativity; the Cowboys were all wound up to pull another one out of the fire and lightening struck twice as the Boys tripped over their own shoelaces at the worst possible time in the most embarrassing way possible.

I say embarrassing but I'm not sure this team can be embarrassed, Jerry Jones certainly doesn't have the social awareness to be embarrassed about anything. I was born in the foothills of the Ozarks and being something of a hillbilly myself, I kinda understand how them folks think. Type A personalities are always totally forgiving of themselves since they can do no wrong anyway. It's the rest of us fools who feel embarrassment at the ludicrous actions of others.

Since I don't care for Jerry Jones I would like to blame all this on him but I can't because he wasn't playing in any of the games this year and certainly not in the late minutes of the Saturday night debacle. Now, that's frustrating. This disorganized mob of superstars blended in with nobodies has yet to become a team or even know how to act like one. It seems like they put more energy into perfecting their celebration dances than they do in making plays. This team is a reflection of its management and coaching.

It's not my problem to solve, it's Jerry's and history says he's not going to solve it, he's just going to press on harder in the wrong direction. If you're a Cowboys fan, part of the show is watching the Supreme Commander of the Cowboys stumble and bumble his way around as the Don Quixote of the NFL. He even has a sawed-off sidekick in Danny who's just as crazy as he is and an even bigger fool.

There, I've managed to blame Jerry anyway.

One thing I know for sure, it wasn't the fault of anyone on this board except to the extent that we let our hopes and dreams build up yet again only to be inevitably dashed in December like a bunch of NFL lemmings who don't seem to ever learn.

Oh well, there's one more chance that this undeserving mob gets into the playoffs and it's against yet another tough team that doesn't love them and has something to play for, both things that don't bode well for Dallas in December. If I just had any idea which team would show up...???

So help me understand how you KNEW we'd lose to Baltimore but now don't have any idea which team will show up this week. What is the difference?

 

[WV Cowboy]

This loss didn't make me feel bad; I expected it. I knew they would find some way to fall on their faces and seize defeat from the jaws of victory, I just didn't know how they would do it - only that they would. I admit it I was surprised at how quickly they collapsed in back to back total disaster plays. I have to give the football gods credit for creativity; the Cowboys were all wound up to pull another one out of the fire and lightening struck twice as the Boys tripped over their own shoelaces at the worst possible time in the most embarrassing way possible.

I say embarrassing but I'm not sure this team can be embarrassed, Jerry Jones certainly doesn't have the social awareness to be embarrassed about anything. I was born in the foothills of the Ozarks and being something of a hillbilly myself, I kinda understand how them folks think. Type A personalities are always totally forgiving of themselves since they can do no wrong anyway. It's the rest of us fools who feel embarrassment at the ludicrous actions of others.

Since I don't care for Jerry Jones I would like to blame all this on him but I can't because he wasn't playing in any of the games this year and certainly not in the late minutes of the Saturday night debacle. Now, that's frustrating. This disorganized mob of superstars blended in with nobodies has yet to become a team or even know how to act like one. It seems like they put more energy into perfecting their celebration dances than they do in making plays. This team is a reflection of its management and coaching.

It's not my problem to solve, it's Jerry's and history says he's not going to solve it, he's just going to press on harder in the wrong direction. If you're a Cowboys fan, part of the show is watching the Supreme Commander of the Cowboys stumble and bumble his way around as the Don Quixote of the NFL. He even has a sawed-off sidekick in Danny who's just as crazy as he is and an even bigger fool.

There, I've managed to blame Jerry anyway.

One thing I know for sure, it wasn't the fault of anyone on this board except to the extent that we let our hopes and dreams build up yet again only to be inevitably dashed in December like a bunch of NFL lemmings who don't seem to ever learn.

Oh well, there's one more chance that this undeserving mob gets into the playoffs and it's against yet another tough team that doesn't love them and has something to play for, both things that don't bode well for Dallas in December. If I just had any idea which team would show up...???

Must suck to go through life with that attitude.

 

[WV Cowboy]

So help me understand how you KNEW we'd lose to Baltimore but now don't have any idea which team will show up this week. What is the difference?

The difference is "now" is after the Ravens game, and "now" is prior to the Eagles game.