Opening for Elliott? NFL investigator Kia Roberts recommended no suspension merged

Shake_Tiller · Sep 1, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
First off, "Guilty" is only the determination in a court of law which is a much higher burden(beyond a reasonable doubt)........Zeke was found in violation of a policy by four members of an independent panel that looked at all the evidence( including the report by Roberts not recommending suspension) and still recommended a 6 game suspension....TWO MUCH DIFFERENT STANDARDS...And what is this so-called conspiracy alleged by the NFLPA, what exactly is the benefit to the league by conspiring to have one of their young star players not playing for 6 games.....I have no idea if Zeke violated the policy or not, but conflating two different standards of a criminal code with some business policy standard of a league is annoying to read constantly by those who apparently don't understand the difference.

In order to extract one's self from a hole, one must first make the wise choice to set down the shovel and cease to dig.

DogFace · Sep 1, 2017

Wait wait wait...

Where's @aria ?

He or she essentially said I was an idiot for saying Friel was possibly biased. He's been here everyday spewing some nonsense or another.

Now he's Nowhere to be found :lmao2:

TheHerd · Sep 1, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
First off, "Guilty" is only the determination in a court of law which is a much higher burden(beyond a reasonable doubt)........Zeke was found in violation of a policy by four members of an independent panel that looked at all the evidence( including the report by Roberts not recommending suspension) and still recommended a 6 game suspension....TWO MUCH DIFFERENT STANDARDS...And what is this so-called conspiracy alleged by the NFLPA, what exactly is the benefit to the league by conspiring to have one of their young star players not playing for 6 games.....I have no idea if Zeke violated the policy or not, but conflating two different standards of a criminal code with some business policy standard of a league is annoying to read constantly by those who apparently don't understand the difference.

I think you're wrong on this part. Friel refused to let the lead investigator's recommendation be heard by the panel. That's one part of the conspiracy claim by the NFLPA.

CalPolyTechnique · Sep 1, 2017

I'm really hoping this becomes a transcendent moment for the league and heads roll.

Sydla · Sep 1, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
First off, "Guilty" is only the determination in a court of law which is a much higher burden(beyond a reasonable doubt)........Zeke was found in violation of a policy by four members of an independent panel that looked at all the evidence( including the report by Roberts not recommending suspension) and still recommended a 6 game suspension....TWO MUCH DIFFERENT STANDARDS...And what is this so-called conspiracy alleged by the NFLPA, what exactly is the benefit to the league by conspiring to have one of their young star players not playing for 6 games.....I have no idea if Zeke violated the policy or not, but conflating two different standards of a criminal code with some business policy standard of a league is annoying to read constantly by those who apparently don't understand the difference.

Looks like you are already wrong. Some reports are saying that Goodell and the 4 person panel WERE NOT given the findings of the lead investigator.

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 1, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
( including the report by Roberts not recommending suspension)

Prove this.

There have been dozens of reports to the contrary.

adbutcher · Sep 1, 2017

Carharris2 said:
Maybe this case will open some minds to the bigger picture issues.

I would like to believe that but people in general are stupid.

The Quest for Six · Sep 1, 2017

TheHerd said:
I think you're wrong on this part. Friel refused to let the lead investigator's recommendation be heard by the panel. That's one part of the conspiracy claim by the NFLPA.

Roberts was the co-author of the 160 page report submitted to the panel, wouldn't she have made her conclusions about Thompson in the report,.....

The Quest for Six · Sep 1, 2017

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Prove this.

There have been dozens of reports to the contrary.

Roberts co-authored the 160 page report given to the panel, but I agree she should have been made available to the panel if they had questions for her

NoLuv4Jerry · Sep 1, 2017

cowboy_ron said:
The best thing would be is Zeke receiving no suspension, and the 2nd best outcome is Goodell looking like the village idiot once again.

I see the angle you were coming from....but a man pocketing 40m a year never looks like an idiot. In truth...the idiots are us.....for allowing a league to continue to grow by leaps and bounds...while at the same time telling the fans to go "suck it".

My love has and continues to wane for this league. And I wish more fans would follow suit. This league needs to be hit where it hurts the most...the pockets.....for the fans to get a just return on our investment.

mkindred · Sep 1, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
First off, "Guilty" is only the determination in a court of law which is a much higher burden(beyond a reasonable doubt)........Zeke was found in violation of a policy by four members of an independent panel that looked at all the evidence( including the report by Roberts not recommending suspension) and still recommended a 6 game suspension....TWO MUCH DIFFERENT STANDARDS...And what is this so-called conspiracy alleged by the NFLPA, what exactly is the benefit to the league by conspiring to have one of their young star players not playing for 6 games.....I have no idea if Zeke violated the policy or not, but conflating two different standards of a criminal code with some business policy standard of a league is annoying to read constantly by those who apparently don't understand the difference.

Make sure your backup alarm and reverse lights are working from here on out.

adbutcher · Sep 1, 2017

mkindred said:
Make sure your backup alarm and reverse lights are working from here on out.

Objects in your rearview mirror may appear closer.

CATCH17 · Sep 1, 2017

CalPolyTechnique said:
I'm really hoping this becomes a transcendent moment for the league and heads roll.

Would Jerry Jones want this to happen?

I think this will all get swept under the rug if the NFL just drops everything and Zeke and Jones would be satisfied with that.

Longboysfan · Sep 1, 2017

Screw The Hall said:
Is the NFL brass really so stupid that they don't think this kind of crap is going to eventually surface or just so arrogant they don't care? Complete buffoons.

Led by Roger.

xwalker · Sep 1, 2017

TheHerd said:
I'm not a lawyer but I talked with a buddy last night who is. Even before this latest info, his comment to me was that there are certain rights you cannot sign away, no matter what the cba says or what a release form you sign says.

The burden of proof may be more difficult, but given the wording the suspension he felt some of the rights Zeke was denied are definitely cause for a winnable lawsuit. And winnable may not even affect the suspension, but could result in damages. He spouted a bunch of other stuff I can't remember which sounded bad for the NFL.

Any lawyers have comments?

Yes, the worfing in the ruling was slanderous.

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 1, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
Roberts co-authored the 160 page report given to the panel, but I agree she should have been made available to the panel if they had questions for her

That's not proof. And the report being that long does not impress me. The league is hiding all pages of it.

Considering that last bit how do you know who wrote it?

pugilist · Sep 1, 2017

Carharris2 said:
Wait wait wait...

Where's @aria ?

He or she essentially said I was an idiot for saying Friel was possibly biased. He's been here everyday spewing some nonsense or another.

Now he's Nowhere to be found

@aria is a Giants fan, why would anyone care what that troll has to say

Roadtrip635 · Sep 1, 2017

The Quest for Six said:
Roberts was the co-author of the 160 page report submitted to the panel, wouldn't she have made her conclusions about Thompson in the report,.....

She co-authored parts of the report, but the entire report was compiled by several members of the Investigative Committee and that Friel also felt that it was not important for the advisors to meet with Roberts, who was the only person to actually interview the accuser. This is why Roberts wrote and circulated internal memos, she saw there was some shady business going down and wanted to leave a paper trail. Conspiracy, corruption, it's all there......

Miller · Sep 1, 2017

@charlesrobinson from yahoo

I hope #Cowboys fans get this point. A memo becomes really, really important when you suggest no suspension and then get frozen out. No?

Then his article(haven't read this whole thread but just his recent tweets so may be in here)

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sport...nal-memo-casting-doubt-accuser-051749008.html

Sydla · Sep 1, 2017

Quest for Six is an interesting cat, that's for sure.

He posts exactly like I would expect Roger Goodell to post here if he did.

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