Opening for Elliott? NFL investigator Kia Roberts recommended no suspension **merged**

erod

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He could accept it. Zeke expected a small suspension on general behavior, including the Parade incident.

That's your assumption. The parade incident was with a girl that he was with, and has since vacationed with.
 

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That's your assumption. The parade incident was with a girl that he was with, and has since vacationed with.

It is an 'assumption' based upon consistent media reports the last three months that said 'he was bracing for a small suspension'.
 

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Roberts co-authored the 160 page report given to the panel, but I agree she should have been made available to the panel if they had questions for her
Lol. How could they not have questions for the Lead Investigator in the Elliott case. The only person to sit down with the alleged victim. The one appointed by Lisa Friel herself.

Your troll is showing sir. Please put that away.
 

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Schefter just said on SC that he spoke with someone in the know who said Zeke's chances of playing against the Giants are 50/50.
If they're saying there's a 50/50 that Henderson will dismiss the suspension altogether, that could be. But if they're saying 50/50 after considering ALL avenues of appeal, I disagree. I'd say there's a good 95% chance that he plays (my percentage is based on nothing but a SWAG by me). If Henderson doesn't put the suspension aside, then it is almost a certainty that he will get a court injunction that will allow him to play in the short term, at the very least. My money says it's pretty much a given that he plays week 1.
 

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It is an 'assumption' based upon consistent media reports the last three months that said 'he was bracing for a small suspension'.

Zeke has not spoken to media in the last 3 months. Your take on this subject contains all kinds of fiction.
 

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It is an 'assumption' based upon consistent media reports the last three months that said 'he was bracing for a small suspension'.

You need to pay attention to things more closely before digging your heels in the sand trying to prove you are correct. You are right, he was "bracing for a small suspension" as was Jerry Jones. However, this is where you are incorrect. With all the other incidents being REMOVED from the equation in this suspension, his side has been clear that even a ONE game suspension tied to domestic violence he would fight to the bitter end. IF the NFL decided to suspend him for a game or two based on the cumulative incidents, Zeke and his team may have accepted the punishment. But suspending him for a situation he has said time and time again he is NOT guilty of, and the label that is given to what he is being suspended for (a DV abuser), he is not accepting that punishment nor that label. Does that make sense?
 

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Don't agree. They could drop the DV, but say a pattern of conduct. I believe that is what Jerry and Zeke expected. 1-2 games.

That would be a different case and a different investigation. Then i would also have to compare it to all other players and their conduct and if anyone else had bad conduct detrimental to the league, then they would ALL have to be similarly fined or suspended. You would also need to clearly define what is detrimental to the league or you are in the same boat where the commish can randomly decide what he will accept or not accept based upon how he feels, or who the player was...or in the case of Brown vs. Zeke the color of his skin or the teams they play on.
 

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That would be a different case and a different investigation. Then i would also have to compare it to all other players and their conduct and if anyone else had bad conduct detrimental to the league, then they would ALL have to be similarly fined or suspended. You would also need to clearly define what is detrimental to the league or you are in the same boat where the commish can randomly decide what he will accept or not accept based upon how he feels, or who the player was...or in the case of Brown vs. Zeke the color of his skin or the teams they play on.
Last week saw talk of a settlement........ EE was just handed a giant sledgehammer

No way he takes a 2 week 're-do' suspension now
 

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That's not proof. And the report being that long does not impress me. The league is hiding all pages of it.

Considering that last bit how do you know who wrote it?

There's another thread here on the forum where someone posted tweets where a legal expert was posting entire pages of the lawsuit filing & highlighting certain paragraphs. The lawsuit sure makes the CLAIM that Roberts' findings were deliberately kept away from Goodell & his advisors.
 

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There's another thread here on the forum where someone posted tweets where a legal expert was posting entire pages of the lawsuit filing & highlighting certain paragraphs. The lawsuit sure makes the CLAIM that Roberts' findings were deliberately kept away from Goodell & his advisors.

Interesting that the NFL categorically denied this as false. So now the league (Friel and Goodell) admits it just ignored evidence and determined Zeke was an abuser regardless of their own 13 month investigation because it didn't fit their PR narrative.

I haven't seen a more inept and biased group of leaders since I left retail employment behind me.

This is the equivalent of Daffy Duck demanding to be shot now vs being shot when he gets home.
 
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Perhaps Elliott "deserved" a short suspension for poor conduct. But that is a long leap from Elliott having deserved to be publicly branded by the inept NFL as a domestic abuser. Such branding has occurred and is, in my view, more than sufficient punishment for whatever else he has done. To a significant amount of people, he will always be an abuser. The slapstick NFL already took care of that. Anyone who argues Elliott deserves more punishment might want to ask themselves the question -- would I prefer to spend a night in jail for being in a bar fight or not be jailed but to be thought by many, many people a domestic abuser? The Bozo-brained NFL has deeply punished Elliott regardless of the outcome of this process and regardless whether he ever misses a football game.
 

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this is unbelievable...


But Roberts’ recommendation never made it into the NFL’s final report and the official suspension letter on Aug. 11, which cited the league’s findings of three instances of domestic violence by Elliott against Thompson based on the victim’s testimony and photographic evidence.

Even more troubling is that when NFL commissioner Roger Goodell conducted a meeting to discuss discipline for Elliott, it included Lisa Friel, the senior vice president for investigations, Jeff Pash, executive vice president and general counsel and Adolpho Birch, senior vice president of labor policy and government affairs, among others.

But Roberts was not at the meeting, where Friel recommended a six-game suspension to Goodell.

Wow talk about favoritism and corruption. Friel, a known Giants fan recommended the 6 game suspension. Our hunch about this has all been correct.
 

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And FWIW, while Roberts did "co-author" the NFL investigative report, it appears that someone above her made changes to the report and did not allow any recommendations from Roberts to be present in the report.
 

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And FWIW, while Roberts did "co-author" the NFL investigative report, it appears that someone above her made changes to the report and did not allow any recommendations from Roberts to be present in the report.
Where there is a staff report, there are many degrees of authorship. I am an "author" of many, many of my company's reports. In some cases, I made a significant contribution. In some cases, I merely cleared up a question someone had. In this case, it seems Roberts' "authorship" consisted of portions of her work that were cherry-picked by her superiors. And she had limited opportunity to offer clarification.
 

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Props to Kia Roberts, she didn't have to say anything. She could have kept her mouth shut about the memo, let the Cowboys dispute the suspension and drop it down to maybe 2-4 games through appeals. But she didn't, and she put her name, reputation and lets face it, her career on the line for what she thinks is right. I doubt she'll be a part of Goodell's investigative team going forward, but she still took the risk to side with the NFLPA at the hearing.

I'm sure having someone as powerful as Jerry Jones on your side going forward doesn't hurt with his connections, but still, Zeke has a chance to clear his name and for his DV reputation to be reversed because of her.
 

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If they're saying there's a 50/50 that Henderson will dismiss the suspension altogether, that could be. But if they're saying 50/50 after considering ALL avenues of appeal, I disagree. I'd say there's a good 95% chance that he plays (my percentage is based on nothing but a SWAG by me). If Henderson doesn't put the suspension aside, then it is almost a certainty that he will get a court injunction that will allow him to play in the short term, at the very least. My money says it's pretty much a given that he plays week 1.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I am at right now. Given all the issues that have been uncovered in the proceedings of this kangaroo court, I simply do not see how they can still suspend him with a clear conscience. And given the nature of this issue, a reduction offer at this point will likely get laughed at.
 

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Cyrus Mehri is throwing his name in to take over the player's union in place of DeMaurice Smith.

The players are furious at Smith because he negotiated a lower % of the earnings in the CBA. Mehri is an extremely successful attorney for employees rights and his first order of business is to up the percentage of revenue sharing for the players.

Smith claims that they are already preparing players for a strike when the CBA expires.

I really don't dislike Smith. While he did negotiate a smaller revenue % for the players, he also won a lot of concessions for the players and players like Drew Brees praised the idea of a little less revenue sharing to win those concessions.

The problem I have with the CBA is that it was a 10-year long contract which is idiotic on every level. It should have been 5-years, max.

The players are ticked off at the owners for the deal and feel the owners sandbagged them on future deals. Now, if Mehri becomes in charge of the player's union he is going to go full tilt on the CBA and the owners will end up blaming Goodell.





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Perhaps Elliott "deserved" a short suspension for poor conduct. But that is a long leap from Elliott having deserved to be publicly branded by the inept NFL as a domestic abuser. Such branding has occurred and is, in my view, more than sufficient punishment for whatever else he has done. To a significant amount of people, he will always be an abuser. The slapstick NFL already took care of that. Anyone who argues Elliott deserves more punishment might want to ask themselves the question -- would I prefer to spend a night in jail for being in a bar fight or not be jailed but to be thought by many, many people a domestic abuser? The Bozo-brained NFL has deeply punished Elliott regardless of the outcome of this process and regardless whether he ever misses a football game.


He should have gotten a short suspension for lifting the girls top. I agree with that. Not branded as some domestic violence criminal.
 
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