Opinion: WR Corps goal for 2010 – Find a #2 WR (he is not in-house currently)

[Cowboy Brian]

KDUM Radio in Dallas is reporting that internal discussions are going on about bringing back TO.

Craig

Thats dum

 

[craig71]

Thats dum

Not much different than bringing in Marshall who is a headcase in his own right.


Craig

 

[TheSport78]

KDUM Radio in Dallas is reporting that internal discussions are going on about bringing back TO.

Craig

This is a joke, right?

 

[Jimz31]

People fail to recognize this. Not having a #2 receiver that you can throw to increases the probability that you will get sacked, or throw an incompletion or an interception. It is not a non-issue. Despite all the yards that we put up, the better teams will take away Austin and Witten and pressure Tony into turnovers. I don't see our line improving markedly in 2010 given the FA constraints and the lack of prospects in-house, but we could improve the passing situation in big games by getting rid of Roy altogether. We should use his snaps to develop somebody else worthy of the position throughout the season so that we have a viable #2 or even #3 by December.

I partly agree with this and it is dependent upon JG realizing that FJ is out RB that should be in the game at the red zone.....and quite using the razorback down there. I think/hope that he figured out that MBIII and the Razorback are just drive-killers. I rememeber a time when it was "Witten Time" inside the 20 yard line...I found myself saying that less and less to my kids.

You have to do that with FJ on the field...they respect him more than MBIII and that can leave Witten open....it can also open up another WR.

JG HAS to recognize this....if he doesn't he can leave...sick of the #2 is yards and middle of the pack in points. There's just no defending that.

 

[Doomsday101]

KDUM Radio in Dallas is reporting that internal discussions are going on about bringing back TO.

Craig

What? Is TO calling Jerry begging him to get him out of that hell hole called Buffalo? :laugh2: Please jerry I'll be a good boy please get me out of this place, I'm freezing my popcorn off.

 

[Jimz31]

If Denver would do Marshall for Williams and a 2nd round pick, I would jump on that like a IDK#


Austin as #1, Marshall as #2 is more dangerous than Fitzgerald and Boldin, tenfold

Last I heard Boldin wants out of AZ and has been for a long time....I'm all for bringing him here, but it'll never happen. RW11's contract prevents that.

 

[Gzus]

To the people who are always throwing out big name WRs in dream trade scenarios: "You play way too much Madden"

The realistic thing that will happen is that either Jerry Jones keeps Roy Williams and bites the bullet for at least one more season then when (not if) he doesn't pan out they either trade him for a 3rd rounder or combination of picks to try and recoup what little value he has left.

In order to find a WR to plug in that empty #2 WR slot, the Cowboys will do one of two things: Develop from within (my thought is that it'll become Ogletree either this next season or the one afterwards) or draft a young talent (my hope is Jordan Shipley or Golden Tate).

Jerry Jones has learned the hard way that trading draft picks for WRs has not worked out in his favor the last few times (Galloway and Williams) so he's gonna either develop or draft. Personally I think Ogletree has what it takes to become a topflight receiver once he gets a few offseasons under his belt (strength & conditioning, OTAs, etc).

 

[BlueStar II]

Sadly, due to financial reasons, we're stuck with Williams whether we like it or not. I agree completely, Williams does not deserve to be on this team. Plus, considering what he's eating up in cap space, I wish/hope there was a way to get rid of him, but, it would be too costly to get rid of him...unfortunately.

 

[BlueStar II]

Forgot to include this in my last post. If there ever was a classic example of an underachiever - it's Williams.

 

[Gzus]

Sadly, due to financial reasons, we're stuck with Williams whether we like it or not. I agree completely, Williams does not deserve to be on this team. Plus, considering what he's eating up in cap space, I wish/hope there was a way to get rid of him, but, it would be too costly to get rid of him...unfortunately.

Actually if next season turns out to be uncapped, like it's expected to be, you could cut Roy Williams without it going against your cap. Now you'd still have to pay the man, but you wouldn't have a cap hit and if they do implement a salary cap the following season you just cleaned house of unwanted contracts. (At least this is what I think it means, I may be wrong).

 

[Jimz31]

Actually if next season turns out to be uncapped, like it's expected to be, you could cut Roy Williams without it going against your cap. Now you'd still have to pay the man, but you wouldn't have a cap hit and if they do implement a salary cap the following season you just cleaned house of unwanted contracts. (At least this is what I think it means, I may be wrong).

Too many misconceptions of what the "un-capped" year means.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I disagree.

Sincerely,

New York Jets

I agree.

Sincerely,

New Orleans Saints
Minnesota Vikings
Indianapolis Colts

 

[vegas777]

I don't know if you saw this. It doesn't look like he's going anywhere, unless Todd Archer is wrong.



DMN: Dallas Cowboys off-season strategy guide: Free agents; what team needs
By TODD ARCHER / The Dallas Morning News

What to do with Roy Williams?

As much as many fans would like to see him gone after he failed to live up to what the Cowboys gave Detroit (first-, third- and sixth-round picks) to get him and the $45 million contract he signed soon thereafter, he will be back.

It’s a purely economic move. He is owed a $9.5 million bonus in March that is fully guaranteed.

Owner and general manager Jerry Jones was able to cut Terrell Owens last off-season in part because he did not have to pay him cash. Owens cost the Cowboys’ salary-cap space but not actual dollars. Williams, who had only 38 receptions for 596 yard and seven scores, has 9.5 million reasons to still be a Cowboy.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

People fail to recognize this. Not having a #2 receiver that you can throw to increases the probability that you will get sacked, or throw an incompletion or an interception. It is not a non-issue. Despite all the yards that we put up, the better teams will take away Austin and Witten and pressure Tony into turnovers. I don't see our line improving markedly in 2010 given the FA constraints and the lack of prospects in-house, but we could improve the passing situation in big games by getting rid of Roy altogether. We should use his snaps to develop somebody else worthy of the position throughout the season so that we have a viable #2 or even #3 by December.

Look at the healthy receivers for Indy... Look at the running game for Indy.

Then look at the # of sacks allowed.

Please don't tell me it's a function of a quality #2 receiver.

It has to do with the offensive line.

FA is NOT that crippling for this team, not being a final-4 team allows it to sign 1 mega free agent.

You also have Free, who's turning out to be a quality player and the team has it's first 4 draft picks.

If the offensive line can't be improved by at least changing out one of the current starters if not two of them... Then I'd be shocked quite frankly.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't know if you saw this. It doesn't look like he's going anywhere, unless Todd Archer is wrong.



DMN: Dallas Cowboys off-season strategy guide: Free agents; what team needs
By TODD ARCHER / The Dallas Morning News

What to do with Roy Williams?

As much as many fans would like to see him gone after he failed to live up to what the Cowboys gave Detroit (first-, third- and sixth-round picks) to get him and the $45 million contract he signed soon thereafter, he will be back.

It’s a purely economic move. He is owed a $9.5 million bonus in March that is fully guaranteed.

Owner and general manager Jerry Jones was able to cut Terrell Owens last off-season in part because he did not have to pay him cash. Owens cost the Cowboys’ salary-cap space but not actual dollars. Williams, who had only 38 receptions for 596 yard and seven scores, has 9.5 million reasons to still be a Cowboy.

No Archer is not wrong.

And this is what many have said right along.

It's just some fans don't have the money to buy a clue and think the guy is as good as gone right now.

Those fans would be wrong.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Look at the healthy receivers for Indy... Look at the running game for Indy.

Then look at the # of sacks allowed.

Please don't tell me it's a function of the a quality #2 receiver.

It has to do with the offensive line.

FA is NOT that crippling for this team, not being a final-4 team allows it to sign 1 mega free agent.

You also have Free, who's turning out to be a quality player and the team has it's first 4 draft picks.

If the offensive line can't be improved by at least changing out one of the current starters if not two of them... Then I'd be shocked quite frankly.

Agree that the oline is critical, but the Colts seem to draft WR's every year..Gonzales, Garcon, Collie have all been drafted within the last three years. I think the 'Boys should look at adding one somewhere in the middle rounds.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Agree that the oline is critical, but the Colts seem to draft WR's every year..Gonzales, Garcon, Collie have all been drafted within the last three years. I think the 'Boys should look at adding one somewhere in the middle rounds.

Gonzales isn't playing.

And yeah, Dallas should draft one sometime, but the Indy receivers aren't the big reason that team succeeds on offense.

 

[TheSport78]

Agree that the oline is critical, but the Colts seem to draft WR's every year..Gonzales, Garcon, Collie have all been drafted within the last three years. I think the 'Boys should look at adding one somewhere in the middle rounds.

Bill Polian >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jerry Jones

 

[Gzus]

I think the Boys can add one mid round developmental WR to see if they can stumble on a good one, but WR are the biggest crap shoots in the NFL draft second to QBs. I like the idea of developing Ogletree the most.

 

[Doomsay]

Look at the healthy receivers for Indy... Look at the running game for Indy.

Then look at the # of sacks allowed.

Please don't tell me it's a function of a quality #2 receiver.

It has to do with the offensive line.

FA is NOT that crippling for this team, not being a final-4 team allows it to sign 1 mega free agent.

You also have Free, who's turning out to be a quality player and the team has it's first 4 draft picks.

If the offensive line can't be improved by at least changing out one of the current starters if not two of them... Then I'd be shocked quite frankly.

If you can sign a big FA tackle, that could make a difference. Free did an OK job in Colombo's absence, but got help and wasn't anything spectacular. It will be interesting to see if Jerry has the fortitude to change anything if the starting 5 are healthy. We also only lost one lineman to injury in '09 for part of the season, hopefully next year won't be any worse.


You don't have to have superstar receivers at every position, but you can't afford to have a receiver that's a total 0 in a big game. Roy had 51 snaps - and gave Tony zero help on any of those plays. That's almost as many snaps as Barber and Felix had combined!! Don't tell me that a JAG that Tony trusts to be in the right place during a hot read wouldn't have made a difference on any of those 51 snaps. In a big game against a tough defense, Tony isn't going to trust Roy, or Roy will round off routes to avoid contact, in either scenario he hurts Tony significantly. You got to pay him in any case, a real management decision would be to not let him hurt the physical performance of your team as well. I'm not sure if there will be any cap considerations, if not Jerry should just swallow his pride and do something good for the team by cutting his sorry butt.