Opinion: WR Corps goal for 2010 – Find a #2 WR (he is not in-house currently)

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dbair1967;3247377 said:
The OL that holds 90% of the time and never gets called is a far bigger factor.

They do get away with a lot of holds. Kind of reminds me of the defensive holds that NE DB's got away with against Indy before they changed the "rules". Always wondered if that was some tinfoil hat payback thing that Manning benefits from.
 

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I'm thinking the line will be addressed.If I remember correctly the Vikings were credited with 11 TFL in the game.So with the 6 sacks there were 5 running plays that lost yardage.

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craig71;3247487 said:
I'm thinking the line will be addressed.If I remember correctly the Vikings were credited with 11 TFL in the game.So with the 6 sacks there were 5 running plays that lost yardage.

Craig

Hopefully at least 2 picks in the first 3 rounds on this position. I would suggest one G/C and one T, if possible. We probably should make a regular habit of drafting an OL late every year and a QB late every other year as these are positions that benefit more from NFL instruction/development than others.

The first rounders should be for potential star players at premium positions so if no OL fits the bill we should use it elsewhere - especially safety or ILB if a great one drops.
 

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Eskimo;3247566 said:
Hopefully at least 2 picks in the first 3 rounds on this position. I would suggest one G/C and one T, if possible. We probably should make a regular habit of drafting an OL late every year and a QB late every other year as these are positions that benefit more from NFL instruction/development than others.

The first rounders should be for potential star players at premium positions so if no OL fits the bill we should use it elsewhere - especially safety or ILB if a great one drops.


I think they should draft BPA.If it's o-line that would be great but I hope they don't draft a lineman if he's not the highest rated player on their board.I think Jerry and Co. will take a hard look at what they have here already as far as lineman and only take one high in the draft if he's projects as a day one starter.I don't see Gurode or Davis being unseated.I see LG as a position of need as well as both tackle positions.I think Free will challenge Columbo on the right side.On the left side I think Flozell is here another year but they need to have a replacement lined up.So that leaves Brewster or even a draft pick to challenge Kosier.I also think they were high on Travis Bright at one time so he might play into the mix as well.I think Holland,Proctor and McQuistan could well be on there way out.It will be an interesting off season the see how they patch up their shortcomings.


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MichaelWinicki;3247371 said:
Who cares how the yards are accumulated– The fact is Romo still managed over 4,000 yards passing.

A different #2 isn't going to get many more catches than what Roy Williams got this season. They just aren't. Not in this offense.

The problem with the offense isn't the lack of a #2, but the inefficiency of the offensive line.
What a lot of people don't realize is that an improved o-line will actually make the receivers look better.
 

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Cover 2;3247652 said:
What a lot of people don't realize is that an improved o-line will actually make the receivers look better.

:hammer:
 

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Cover 2;3247652 said:
What a lot of people don't realize is that an improved o-line will actually make the receivers look better.

exactly.....i dont have a problem with anyone on our WR core......just the way they are used.....if they go into camp with true competition instead of named starters .......i dont care if Crayton and Hurd are day 1 starters if they truely outperform the others...



you cant cut Roy...yes he is very disappointing but he still has more upside than anyone on the wr roster ....ya keep him and make him earn playin time.....cutting him will only cost the team and like it or not he is still better than Hurd or Holley and 95% of those guys walking the streets with no team...so if he is a 4th or 5th wr or practice squad he is still good enough to not be cut
 

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dadymat;3247673 said:
exactly.....i dont have a problem with anyone on our WR core......just the way they are used.....if they go into camp with true competition instead of named starters .......i dont care if Crayton and Hurd are day 1 starters if they truely outperform the others...



you cant cut Roy...yes he is very disappointing but he still has more upside than anyone on the wr roster ....ya keep him and make him earn playin time.....cutting him will only cost the team and like it or not he is still better than Hurd or Holley and 95% of those guys walking the streets with no team...so if he is a 4th or 5th wr or practice squad he is still good enough to not be cut

Agree with everything you said except I do think Ogletree has more upside than Roy at this point.
 

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TheSport78;3247675 said:
Agree with everything you said except I do think Ogletree has more upside than Roy at this point.


i was just reffering to IF they both ever reach full potential i think RW would be better.....but so far ive seen nothing to make me believe that RW will ever do so....lets hope they both do
 

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Cover 2;3247652 said:
What a lot of people don't realize is that an improved o-line will actually make the receivers look better.

Thank you!

I hope several folks take note of this post.
 

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Cover 2;3247652 said:
What a lot of people don't realize is that an improved o-line will actually make the receivers look better.

It won't change Roy's route running problems but it will give Tony more time to find other options. Getting rid of Roy is just an obvious and easy improvement. Finding a good starting FA tackle would also be a huge improvement, but not easily done.
 

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MichaelWinicki;3246812 said:
This is a waste of a thread because Roy Williams isn't going anywhere.

Obviously you didn't read any posts before yours, because the subject matter included him staying. :rolleyes:
 

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Gzus;3247214 said:
What offense have you been watching the entire season?
The offensive line was the problem for this one game against the Vikings, be it game plan or preparation. For most of the season analysts raved that the Cowboys offensive line dominated defenses (like the Eagles) and for the most part they tended to protect Romo well enough for him to put up the yardage he did.

#2 WR is a HUGE problem on this offense if you continue to consider RW your #2. If anything I consider Jason Witten our #2 receiver but considering what we are paying RW to be our "#1" he's not even our #3 in terms of production.

Your yardage leaders for the Boys:
1. Miles Austin 1320 yds
2. Jason Witten 1030 yds
3. Patrick Crayton 622 yds
4. Roy Williams 596 yds

My gripe is with the inconsistency of his production because for the most part when the Cowboys run multiple WR sets, even single WR sets he's the WR that's in there. He probably is on the field the most out of all the WRs (don't know for a definite fact, but I have a good hunch) but his production sucks.

Game 1: 3 receptions 86 yards; 2: 1 rec 18 yds; 3: 4 rec 75 yds; 4: 3 rec 35 yds; 5: Out w/ injury; 6: 1 rec 16 yds; 7: 2 rec 19 yds; 8: 5 rec 75 yds; 9: 5 rec 105 yds; 10: 0 rec 0 yds; 11: 2 rec 15 yds; 12: 6 rec 60 yds; 13: 4 rec 74 yds; 14: 1 rec 15 yds; 15: 1 rec 4 yds; 16: 0 rec 0 yds; 17: 5 rec 59 yds; 18: 0 rec 0 yds.

He only had one game with more than 100 yards, he only broke 50 yards 7/18 games, and only recorded more than 5 receptions in a game once. That is not what I expect from a guy getting paid #1 WR money, let alone #2 WR.

Cowboys need a new WR in there as their #2 opposite Austin, and it ain't RW

Fantastic post.

Allow me to add another dimension to it.

The Cowboys had good receiving yards, which is indication they could move the ball. BUT, once they got closer to the red zone, the offense stalled. The stats back that up, showing how above average Dallas is overall, but well below average in the red-zone and in scoring situations. I think they also led the leage in series that reached into the red zone that led to NO points.

Miles Austuin surely helped get that overall number, and did it with his SPEED over the top or run after catch abilities. So SPEED, as many here say we meed, is not really the problem. Dallas has SPEED at WR.

What Dallas loses when they get closer to the red zone is Jason Witten as a down-field passing threat. The best analysis I saw of Witten was when Hodege (I think it was him, at least) showed how Witten is best on those down-field passes, because while LBs can hang with him within 10 yards, they can't past that. So if he goes 20 yards and Romo has protection, then Wittwn is a fdngerous passing threat.

Dallas, however, loses that downfield passing threat in Witten as they get closer to the red zone because their field shrinks and defernses can play much tighter for longer, and key on the TE over the middle. This is a no-brainer strategy for Defenses as they have to tighten the middle anyways to account for the run in a shorter field. So that compromises what the TE position can do in the passing game, particularly in the red zone. So more pressure then hangs on the WR position to make plays.

With a short field, SPEED won't make up for it. What will is a true possesion #2 WR who can beat 1on1 coverage and catch passes in tight coverage. It's in those cases where Austin gets double covered, and Roy Williams disapperas.
 

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The Cowboys have enough talent in WRs on the team now. I mean, we aren't breaking Cowboys passing records because we suck at WR. Obviously you would like to have the two best receivers in the league starting for you, but that isn't going to happen.

We are far better off using our resources to upgrading in other spots. Like obtaining our future LT. (I like Free, but I prefer him on the right side and him getting stronger)
 

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AMERICAS_FAN;3247805 said:
Fantastic post.

Allow me to add another dimension to it.

The Cowboys had good receiving yards, which is indication they could move the ball. BUT, once they got closer to the red zone, the offense stalled. The stats back that up, showing how above average Dallas is overall, but well below average in the red-zone and in scoring situations. I think they also led the leage in series that reached into the red zone that led to NO points.

This is exactly where Roy Williams' talents should have been "on display". Which makes him all that much more frustrating.
 
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