Opponents In Game After Playing Dallas

Fredd · Dec 27, 2014

so what exactly IS Seattle's version of this?

Stryker44 · Dec 27, 2014

How did Dallas go from finesse to physical in one offseason?

xvendettax914 · Dec 27, 2014

Stryker44 said:
How did Dallas go from finesse to physical in one offseason?

because the people claiming they were finesse werent paying close enough attention at what was being built.

AsthmaField · Dec 27, 2014

Fredd said:
so what exactly IS Seattle's version of this?

Here is the schedule for Seattle and how their games went after playing the Seahawks:

Green Bay – Beat NY Jets

San Diego – Beat Buffalo

Denver – Beat Arizona

Washington – Lost to Arizona

Dallas – Beat NY Giants

St. Louis – Lost to Kansas City

Carolina – Lost to New Orleans

Oakland – Lost to Denver

NY Giants – Lost to San Francisco

Kansas City – Lost to Oakland

Arizona – Lost to Atlanta

San Francisco – Lost to Oakland

Philly – Lost to Dallas

San Francisco – Lost to San Diego

Arizona - ?

So, 10 out of 14 teams lost the next game after playing Seattle. Actually two less than Dallas (12-14).

What they were saying on the Radio and TV is that the last 9 teams to play Seattle have lost the following week. It isn't 9 straight for Dallas but it is more overall on the season.

Again, for what it's worth.

tyke1doe · Dec 27, 2014

AsthmaField said:
I keep hearing the media talking about how teams lost after playing Seattle because the Seahawks are so physical. However, I never hear mention about how teams do after playing Dallas, so i looked it up.

San Francisco - Lost to Chicago

Tenn – Lost to Cincy

Rams – Lost to Philly
Saints - Beat Tampa

Texans - Lost to Steelers

Seattle - Lost to the Rams

Giants - Lost to the Colts

Commanders - Lost to Vikes

Arizona - Won against Rams

Jacksonville - Lost to Colts

Giants - Lost to Jacksonville

Philly - Lost to Seattle

Chicago - Lost to Saints

Philly - Lost to Washington

Indy - ?

So, out of every Dallas opponent (excluding Indy who hasn't played yet) only the Saints (who barely beat a terrible Tampa team) and Arizona have won their game following Dallas.

The other 12 out of 14 teams lost after playing Dallas.

What that means is up for interpretation. I just wanted to see what it was since they keep saying it about Seattle.

So, if people want to say Seattle opponents lost the following week from being worn out playing the Seahawks... then I'd think that to say the same thing about the Cowboys opponents would be fair.

Nothing Earth shattering, but interesting nonetheless. Really just an observation.

So did you analyze Seattle's schedule also? Is it better than ours? The same as ours? Worse than ours?

tyke1doe · Dec 27, 2014

xvendettax914 said:
because the people claiming they were finesse werent paying close enough attention at what was being built.

Well, with three consecutive 8 win seasons, can you blame them?

T-RO · Dec 27, 2014

AsthmaField said:
I keep hearing the media talking about how teams lost after playing Seattle because the Seahawks are so physical. However, I never hear mention about how teams do after playing Dallas, so i looked it up.

San Francisco - Lost to Chicago

Tenn – Lost to Cincy

Rams – Lost to Philly
Saints - Beat Tampa

Texans - Lost to Steelers

Seattle - Lost to the Rams

Giants - Lost to the Colts

Commanders - Lost to Vikes

Arizona - Won against Rams

Jacksonville - Lost to Colts

Giants - Lost to Jacksonville

Philly - Lost to Seattle

Chicago - Lost to Saints

Philly - Lost to Washington

How many of these teams are any good? For the most part the Cowboys had a charmin-soft schedule.

xvendettax914 · Dec 27, 2014

tyke1doe said:
Well, with three consecutive 8 win seasons, can you blame them?

There are physical football teams alot worse than or the same as 8-8 and there are finesse football teams alot worse or 8-8. I dont see the relation.

Carolina Cowboy · Dec 27, 2014

We've talked about this in a couple of forums. It's called the Blue Flu and yes we are beating other teams up and it hurts them the following week.

AsthmaField · Dec 27, 2014

tyke1doe said:
So did you analyze Seattle's schedule also? Is it better than ours? The same as ours? Worse than ours?

I didn't. I was only looking to see which teams lost the following week after playing Dallas/Seattle, because that was what the media was talking about. Teams losing because they were beat up from playing a physical Seattle team. So, that's why I checked to see how the teams on Dallas' schedule fared the week after playing the Cowboys.

tyke1doe · Dec 27, 2014

xvendettax914 said:
There are physical football teams alot worse than or the same as 8-8 and there are finesse football teams alot worse or 8-8. I dont see the relation.

What relevance would it have being a physical team if you're not winning most of your ball games? :huh:

tyke1doe · Dec 27, 2014

AsthmaField said:
I didn't. I was only looking to see which teams lost the following week after playing Dallas/Seattle, because that was what the media was talking about. Teams losing because they were beat up from playing a physical Seattle team. So, that's why I checked to see how the teams on Dallas' schedule fared the week after playing the Cowboys.

But if the media are praising Seattle for being physical, wouldn't it make sense to determine whether they do that better than Dallas before citing/implying that they're slighting the Cowboys?

Or put another way, if Seattle's stats are better than Dallas', I can see why the media would praise Seattle and not necessarily praise Dallas. If Seattle's stats are on par with Dallas', then your point seems more valid.

waving monkey · Dec 27, 2014

GloryDaysRBack said:
I don't buy these kind of stats...maybe I'm being naive..I will agree that that is possible...but I think it's more coincidence than anything else

highly permeated coincidence

AsthmaField · Dec 27, 2014

tyke1doe said:
But if the media are praising Seattle for being physical, wouldn't it make sense to determine whether they do that better than Dallas before citing/implying that they're slighting the Cowboys?

Or put another way, if Seattle's stats are better than Dallas', I can see why the media would praise Seattle and not necessarily praise Dallas. If Seattle's stats are on par with Dallas', then your point seems more valid.

I don't even really consider it a stat. It is simply how did the teams they play fare the following week. I didn't take time to look at those game and if they should have won or not... ie, are they good teams.

The media who were saying that didn't analyze Seattle's schedule.... they just talked about the teams losing in the next game after them. That's all I looked at.

And if I implied that they were slighting the Cowboys, that wasn't my intention at all. I just wanted to look at it since they mentioned teams losing after playing Seattle. I wasn't trying to say the media has any type of bias about this. I simply think they hadn't done it for Dallas, so I did.

tyke1doe · Dec 27, 2014

AsthmaField said:
I don't even really consider it a stat. It is simply how did the teams they play fare the following week. I didn't take time to look at those game and if they should have won or not... ie, are they good teams.

The media who were saying that didn't analyze Seattle's schedule.... they just talked about the teams losing in the next game after them. That's all I looked at.

And if I implied that they were slighting the Cowboys, that wasn't my intention at all. I just wanted to look at it since they mentioned teams losing after playing Seattle. I wasn't trying to say the media has any type of bias about this. I simply think they hadn't done it for Dallas, so I did.

Stat probably wasn't the best word. But no biggie. I was just curious how Seattle ranked. Thanks for the info, though.

AsthmaField · Dec 27, 2014

tyke1doe said:
Stat probably wasn't the best word. But no biggie. I was just curious how Seattle ranked. Thanks for the info, though.

No problem bro... I'm just trying to make sure we're on the same page.

I'm just looking at it as Seattle is a physical team and so is Dallas. The media said the Seahawks physicality took a toll on their opponents, so I just looked at that with Dallas to see if the same type thing had happened, and actually Dallas had two more opponents that lost the following week than Seattle had.

IOW, I'm not trying to say that Dallas is more physical than Seattle, although I think they may be... I just looked to see if the same phenomenon applied to Dallas and indeed it did.

nablives · Dec 28, 2014

Just out of curiosity, I decided to check out Green Bay. Teams they've played have gone on to a 7-7 record in the following week. Apparently this phenomena isn't happening with every playoff team. Also, in regards to SOS, GB played the NFC South, AFC East, the Eagles and the Seahawks, so take from that what you will.

Pokes12 · Dec 28, 2014

AsthmaField said:
I keep hearing the media talking about how teams lost after playing Seattle because the Seahawks are so physical. However, I never hear mention about how teams do after playing Dallas, so i looked it up.

San Francisco - Lost to Chicago

Tenn – Lost to Cincy

Rams – Lost to Philly
Saints - Beat Tampa

Texans - Lost to Steelers

Seattle - Lost to the Rams

Giants - Lost to the Colts

Commanders - Lost to Vikes

Arizona - Won against Rams

Jacksonville - Lost to Colts

Giants - Lost to Jacksonville

Philly - Lost to Seattle

Chicago - Lost to Saints

Philly - Lost to Washington

Indy - ?

So, out of every Dallas opponent (excluding Indy who hasn't played yet) only the Saints (who barely beat a terrible Tampa team) and Arizona have won their game following Dallas.

The other 12 out of 14 teams lost after playing Dallas.

What that means is up for interpretation. I just wanted to see what it was since they keep saying it about Seattle.

So, if people want to say Seattle opponents lost the following week from being worn out playing the Seahawks... then I'd think that to say the same thing about the Cowboys opponents would be fair.

Nothing Earth shattering, but interesting nonetheless. Really just an observation.

Very interesting statistic. I think it says that the competition gears up for Dallas, loses and then is low on energy to get up for the following team. A lot of teams look at playing Dallas like it is a Super Bowl. Even though we have been mediocre for a long time, we still have a national fan base that results in many TV appearances and hoopla. No matter what people say, the Cowboys are still part of the show!!

JD_KaPow · Dec 28, 2014

There may be something to this, but I think the first thing to check is the expectations for the teams we've played in any given week. Going by FO numbers, Seattle has played the 11th-strongest schedule; we've played the 28th-strongest. So already, you'd expect our opponents to do worse.

Working through it, STL, JAC and NYG1 had bye weeks after they played us, so they should really be excluded from this. So now it's 2-9.

I see 3 surprising losses by our opponents after playing us: SEA lost at STL, NYG2 lost at JAC, PHI2 lost at WAS. (You might also add SF losing to CHI, but SF has scuffled all season and CHI was playing better back then). Neither of the wins was surprising.

Hardly conclusive, but something worth keeping an eye on.

JohnsKey19 · Dec 28, 2014

I remember back in the early 2000s you would often see this stat focusing on the Baltimore Ravens. It wasn't pretty.

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