Orlando Scandrick suspended first four games ***for Molly** Post #246

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Are you stating that PEDs are not drugs?

I am stating - as has been explained numerous times - that there are two distinct policies and testing procedures. One is for recreational drugs. The other for PEDs. Independent policies.
 

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Molly doesn't help muscles grow or recover faster, but it can be used to enhance performance. Molly can provide prolonged bursts of energy, which can help a person while working out. Working out can in turn help a players performance on the field. Prolonged bursts of energy also can be a good thing on game day. Plus Molly can provide a sort of sense of heightened perception. That can be beneficial to a player. And just the euphoric mood it puts you in may be a good thing for an athlete on game day. I definitely see Molly as a form of a PED even it is a lesser form.

This was dumb by Scandrick.
A professional athlete taking MDMA to enhance workouts and sporting performance is kinda ridiculous. It saps one of energy levels and motivation as quickly as it grants them. It's a bit of a rollercoaster (by design) as both ends of the spectrum are basically alternate sates of euphoria. It's a recreational drug.
 

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I am stating - as has been explained numerous times - that there are two distinct policies and testing procedures. One is for recreational drugs. The other for PEDs. Independent policies.
PEDs, performance enhancing drugs, can be tested for year-round under the NFL Anabolic Steroids And Related Sustances policy.
 

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PEDs, performance enhancing drugs, can be tested for year-round under the NFL Anabolic Steroids And Related Sustances policy.

Is there a point you are trying to make here? Or are you just being intentionally thick?
 

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E. Unknowing Administration of Prohibited Substances

Players are responsible for what is in their bodies, and a positive test result will not be excused because a player was unaware that he was taking a Prohibited Substance.
 

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Is there a point you are trying to make here? Or are you just being intentionally thick?
My point had already been made. What's the problem? What is with the nitpicking? I never made the statement that all drugs including recreational drugs are tested for. I stated NFL players can be drug tested all year-round. PEDs are drugs, are they not?
 

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Wow, nice comparison there. NK is nothing like a resort in Mexico, not even close.

Actually unless the government there wants you NK is much safer then anyplace in Mexico. Of course that is the big if; when you have a government thats crazy...

Why don't you google crime rates in these so called safe resorts you claim Mexico has.
 

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My point had already been made. What's the problem? What is with the nitpicking? I never made the statement that all drugs including recreational drugs are tested for. I stated NFL players can be drug tested all year-round. PEDs are drugs, are they not?

Yes. But if a player doesn't realize something is a PED you could possibly see where the confusion comes. Particularly since Molly or MDMA is not listed as a PED in the policy.
 

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Yes. But if a player doesn't realize something is a PED you could possibly see where the confusion comes. Particularly since Molly or MDMA is not listed as a PED in the policy.
No argument there, but that is why I stated players must take the precaution of not ingesting anything without being 100% certain it is not on the prohibited list. The policy itself contains short lists which ends with the term 'related substances'. What the heck does that mean? It means there are a lot more PEDs which the NFL holds a player accountable for. The only way of knowing is for the player to confirm whether or not something they are about to ingest (but do not know exactly what it is they are about to swallow) is not on the list.
 

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(Reuters) - Six people were found strangled to death and one decapitated in the southern Mexican tourist resort of Cancun on Sunday, the state's deputy attorney general said, in the latest mass killing to strike the city in the last few weeks.

Police found the bodies of the five men and two women in a shack in the outskirts of Cancun, a major tourist destination on Mexico's Caribbean coast, that has largely escaped the drug-related violence that has racked Acapulco, a faded tourist destination on the Pacific coast.

"It looks like the victims were independent drug dealers without any links to any specific cartel," said Juan Ignacio Hernandez, deputy attorney general of Quintana Roo state...Last month six people died and five were injured after two men opened fire in a bar on the outskirts of Cancun.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/15/us-mexico-crime-cancun-idUSBRE93D0DM20130415

After noting the recent cruise passenger robbery incident, Owen notes, “crime is nothing new for Puerto Vallarta though.” I don’t think that crime is new for any medium-sized city anywhere in the world. Owen cites the case of a Canadian who was brutally murdered in Puerto Vallarta on May 30, 2011 as further evidence that PV is a dangerous place. But as others have noted, the victim wasn’t a tourist- he lived in PV and operated a business there. Local police indicated that the crime scene seemed to indicate that the victim and perpetrator knew each other.

http://gadling.com/2012/03/01/crime-in-mexico-is-puerto-vallarta-unsafe-for-travelers/


Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman Loera, leader of the Sinaloa cartel, has been captured in Mazatlan, Mexico.

Guzman, accompanied by a female, was captured in a joint operation with Mexican marines and Drug Enforcement Administration authorities overnight at a hotel in the beach resort of Mazatlán. The operation had been in the works for four or five weeks, the official said.


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2014/2/22/134539/743/crimenews/-Chapo-Guzman-Captured-in-Mazatlan


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I don't know of anybody that would go to Mexico with their wife/fiancé/girlfriend on vacation and would take Ecstasy for anything but recreational purposes.



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I don't know of anybody that would go to Mexico with their wife/fiancé/girlfriend on vacation and would take Ecstasy for anything but recreational purposes.



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Cutting to the chase, now, isn't Ecstacy pretty dangerous?
 

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Cutting to the chase, now, isn't Ecstacy pretty dangerous?

It's the same thing as 'Molly.' Just a different name.

Is it dangerous?

Sure.

Because there are different strains of drugs that can be in any pill with different doses. It's also been known to severely dehydrate people. That's why you would hear about deaths from the drugs back in late 90's to early 2000's...ravers would party all night long and get so dehydrated that it could put them in severe health issue.

One of my friends used to live in Manhattan and would frequently go to raves and underground clubs and party from midnight until 7 in the morning and do that almost on a daily basis. That is some hardcore partying.

I used to know a lot of people that took the drug. Unfortunately, one of my ex-girlfriends in college and another good friend of mine had bad meltdowns from using the drug so much. The friend of mine ended up spending some time in a psycho ward. It was a really scary thing to watch.

Years ago MTV did a documentary on the drug and its use. They had one girl from NYC that was a frequent user and they did a brain scan on her. They showed her brain and it was *literally* rotting away her brain. You could actually see the rotting of the brain from the brain scan.

Crazy thing was in the 80's they used to give it away in night clubs in Texas. It was legal back then and many clubs would give it away for FREE.

However, if you ask some doctors that know about this...they'll tell you that huffing gas is FAR worse for you than other drugs...even heroin.






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PEDs, performance enhancing drugs, can be tested for year-round under the NFL Anabolic Steroids And Related Sustances policy.

Alcohol and tobacco are also drugs, yet has no impact on the testing policies. I think you know what point he is making. And he is correct about them having two different policies for the illicit and PED types of drugs. Not sure why you're trying to argue that....
 

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Alcohol and tobacco are also drugs, yet has no impact on the testing policies. I think you know what point he is making. And he is correct about them having two different policies for the illicit and PED types of drugs. Not sure why you're trying to argue that....
I haven't argued anything. Why are you now nitpicking?

Scratch that. May I ask two questions?

First question: Do you know how often throughout the calendar year that the NFL randomly tests players for PEDs--according to the PED policy?
 

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It's the same thing as 'Molly.' Just a different name.

Is it dangerous?

Sure.

Because there are different strains of drugs that can be in any pill with different doses. It's also been known to severely dehydrate people. That's why you would hear about deaths from the drugs back in late 90's to early 2000's...ravers would party all night long and get so dehydrated that it could put them in severe health issue.

One of my friends used to live in Manhattan and would frequently go to raves and underground clubs and party from midnight until 7 in the morning and do that almost on a daily basis. That is some hardcore partying.

I used to know a lot of people that took the drug. Unfortunately, one of my ex-girlfriends in college and another good friend of mine had bad meltdowns from using the drug so much. The friend of mine ended up spending some time in a psycho ward. It was a really scary thing to watch.

Years ago MTV did a documentary on the drug and its use. They had one girl from NYC that was a frequent user and they did a brain scan on her. They showed her brain and it was *literally* rotting away her brain. You could actually see the rotting of the brain from the brain scan.

Crazy thing was in the 80's they used to give it away in night clubs in Texas. It was legal back then and many clubs would give it away for FREE.

However, if you ask some doctors that know about this...they'll tell you that huffing gas is FAR worse for you than other drugs...even heroin.






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That was a strong share, Yakuza. We aren't out of the woods, even today.

A personal experience is always a good conversation, and I hope that you don't have many scars from those periods of time.

When I came back from the Air Force Academy, I got a job as a House Parent for the first MHMR facility here in Corpus Christi. They were actually breaking ground for institutional care and techniques. The use of shock therapies were handed out as frequent as an aspirin by a Doctor. Many of the patients were more afraid of the electrical shock treatments than ill affects of drugs they had abused. I was actually the only House Parent that did not smoke marijuana at the time.

While I was a Trainee at the Academy, a Cadet in my Company was caught huffihg detergents and cleaners. He was quickly chaptered out of Service.
 

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You fully understand. And are arrogant to pound a non-proven be when expectations were already agreed upon. If you instead are flippantly attacking my character and honesty...then further such preppie actions by yourself won't be put up with. That is why a bet was struck, if you continue with a pompous display of insult as well...then all bets will be off. Either shut up and see where the team goes...or find a person that will accept a pompous and intended internet brow beat.

You have some years and miles walked before you can assume such liberty, Son.

Well, I just saw your second and insulting version of what is involved with proving out one's view. You violated good intent, and from hence forth will be dealt as purely a pompous braggart. Bet is now off, but I'll remind YOU if things don't go as you dance and prance around as if knowing. I call what you are doing as straight up cheap. Nothing further your direction needed.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Honestly, I don't. Do you proof read what you type? It doesn't make any sense at all. You are now going to back out of a bet you already agreed to? What kind of person does that? Your word is WORTHLESS. Funny you want to back out of your bet because you know you will lose. I'm going to put you on ignore now.
 
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