Orlovsky: "I'd restart everything"

[baltcowboy]

In other words, tear it down and rebuild.........two steps back to take one step forward. I guess he's saying fire MM, Quinn and eat Dak's contract.......( cap hits )

Dak would make the Cowboys cut him. Patriots, Atlanta, Denver, Seattle, Minnesota, ect would be all over signing an All-Pro quarterback. The Cowboys messed up giving him a no trade clause. You could get multiple picks for CeeDee and Parsons. A tear down would not be a crazy idea. I bet Arizona would consider trading their 4 th pick for CeeDee if Murray is really there quarterback of the future.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Plus guys like Tyler Snith, Bland, Fergy... good young core.

Exactly.........a good core of young players. Hell, leave something for the new staff to work with.

 

[nobody]

It's the only way. Get rid of the HC, the DC, and the QB. They all failed miserably when they were needed most. We have some excellent young players to give us a head start in the rebuild.

They are far from the only ones that need to go. There needs to be a far more complete purge of these gutless wonders.

 

[nobody]

Except he has a "No trade" clause in his contract!

There is a saving factor in that. He can agree to a trade with specific teams, nullifying the no trade as long as he likes where he'd be going. Just convince him that they'd do everything in their power to ruin the rest of his career if he didn't agree to a trade. Find a team that he likes and that you want to torpedo and make the trade.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Dak would make the Cowboys cut him. Patriots, Atlanta, Denver, Seattle, Minnesota, ect would be all over signing an All-Pro quarterback. The Cowboys messed up giving him a no trade clause. You could get multiple picks for CeeDee and Parsons. A tear down would not be a crazy idea.

I don't think the no-trade clause would be an issue at all. More times than not it's just a tool for the player to have more control over WHERE he is traded and CeeDee and Parsons goes nowhere for me.

 

[NDGAEDE]

Actually it shouldn't be that hard to trade him.

A competent GM would go to him and basically say, "Dak, unfortunately, I think we are going to strip this thing down. I know you want to win a SB and honestly, we could have a few bleak years here. We'd be open to letting your agent contact some teams and work out potential trades that would suit you and give you a better chance of making a SB in the next few years............."

And from Daks perspective, he may want to go to a market that's less pressure. Perhaps he would like the change of scenery too

 

[Daillest88]

Honestly agree lol… moves need to be made. Dak all jittery was all I could take. Scared, need some damn linebackers .

 

[Kingofholland]

The thinking of blowing it all up is the immediate knee jerk reaction of an angry fan. I think I went through that moment too, but after getting back to reality, blowing it all up isn't my preference.

Clearly there's players and coaches that didn't show up or delivered such poor results you have to make changes. However, I also don't believe you stumble into 3 straight 12 win seasons without talent and a lot going right.

This team certainly needs to change their mindset and get past failures out of their head. They let the pressure get to them and the coaches had them under prepared. I think that's part of the challenge with retread coaches and trying to piece a staff together with them. They were once hot upcoming coaches, but got let go because of the consistency of their results and we have a couple of those guys now that I'm not sure how they all fit together. We've also done this with Phillips, Marinelli, Linehan, etc. Jerry values coaches with experience, but its clearly not the right mix of coaches to deliver the consistency needed.

 

[beware_d-ware]

The Cowboys didn't win 12 games by accident. There's talent on this roster, but everyone just craps themselves and goes pure deer-in-headlights mode when the playoff games start. I can only imagine how bad they will be sweating a playoff game next year.

 

[IrishAnto]

You realize he can waive it right?

And if you give him the option to stay here and go through a rebuild OR his agent can work out a deal to find a team needing a QB to make a SB run, there's a decent chance he'd take it right?

Russell Wilson had a no trade clause and waived it to go to Denver.

Yes I do, but it still is his choice.
Would he get a better deal with another team who's GM is not the incompetent Jerry is?
Dak hasn't exactly put his best foot forward in Playoff time has he?
He has the Cowboys over a barrel which is again down to the negotiating skills of Jerry.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Why do we need to rebuild? Why not just get better? Why do we need to get worse as a prerequisite? New coaching staff and a few Gilmore esque FA signings and were winning 12 games again, easily. Draft a QB and let him sit just like Jordan Love did.

 

[BrassCowboy]

This is exactly what I said in another thread.

This team has a core problem that goes beyond one or two players, coaches or even the owner.

This whole organization needs to be rebuilt with a new mindset and philosophy because the ones they have had for decades have not worked no matter how many individual pieces have been changed.

yep, but I am afraid that unless Jerry is out of the business of football altogether, like sell the team (ideally), we may just get another hash of coaches that are hand tied to his bidding.

 

[baltcowboy]

I don't think the no-trade clause would be an issue at all. More times than not it's just a tool for the player to have more control over WHERE he is traded and CeeDee and Parsons goes nowhere for me.

It actually is because Dak is an All-Pro player with multiple suitors. Remember the Raiders tried to trade Derek Carr and he balked at it. So they had to cut him. Why would Dak let his new team give up capital for him. Dak has a great agent.

 

[Captain-Crash]

who's this loser, hating on the mighty dak chokescott?

 

[Alweezy]

I don't know if I trust Jerry the GM to get us out of the mess that a 1 to 3 win team would put out on the field.

There's blowing it up with a plan. And then there's blowing it up and becoming a mid team for the next decade.

It could actually get much worse if we're not putting the support structure in place now to allow us opportunity to rebuild with hope of a reasonable way out of the rebuild. I continue to say we are a QB away from being where we want to be. Dak is who he is, but until we bring in the talent that the position requires, we are not able to overcome any type of deficit through the air, which limits you in the modern NFL.

 

[SwagSurfer]

I would let every team know, make me your best offer for ANYONE on my team. Nobody is safe after yesterday. Guys flat out quit on national TV do not deserve a roster spot.

 

[Mannix]

Any sane org is doing just that. If Dak refuses to waive his NTC, cut him. Why would you waste another year running with him when you know the outcome. Find a way to trade Parsons and Lamb because those are guys we can't afford to pay at a time when there is no clear QB to lead the team. What this team needs is high draft picks and a front office with the imagination to draft and a coaching staff that can use and develop talent.

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Post of the morning

 

[Nexx]

Dak would make the Cowboys cut him. Patriots, Atlanta, Denver, Seattle, Minnesota, ect would be all over signing an All-Pro quarterback. The Cowboys messed up giving him a no trade clause. You could get multiple picks for CeeDee and Parsons. A tear down would not be a crazy idea. I bet Arizona would consider trading their 4 th pick for CeeDee if Murray is really there quarterback of the future.

I would hold him to the fire on that no trade clause. Ok, you dont want to waive it. Then sit on the bench and watch someone else play or get traded to a team who will play you.

 

[aikemirv]

Bingo.

Only works if he starts at the very top - otherwise building on the same faulty foundation

 

[pansophy]

I can agree with this with one condition......I'm NOT touching Dak's contract. In other words, find a way to deal with the cap hit coz I'm not extending him.

I mean I hear you but at the same time Dak is no worse than a top-10 QB. If Eli Manning can win two Super Bowls then Dak can win. Give this man a running game like Purdy and Love have and it would look different. Maybe its worth a shot with someone new, but it was a long time between Aikman and Romo -- and by that I mean Romo was a QB who made multiple pro bowls, and we could just be setting ourselves up again for a long search. Remember Jones was in love with Paxton Lynch and Johnny Manziel, so dumping Dax means you have faith that this organization can pick a winner at QB. I have serious doubts about that.