OSA Best kept secret

gimmesix said:
You see everything as negative unless it is praising the team. I generally don't even respond to things you post because you go on the attack instead of being able to have a fan discussion about a topic.

Like I said, Odighizuwa is a good player. I'm not taking anything away from him by saying he is not the type of great player you need at his position in this defense. 3-tech in the 4-3 is one of the key positions. It drives KC's defense. The interior drives San Fran's defense. It is why Philly has spent a couple of first-rounders recently on DTs.

By the way, I don't think your dog knows anything. If he knows a negative comment on a message board, he's either seeing you overreact to something that's said, which happens a lot, or he needs to go on the talk show circuit for his ability to read.
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No just pointing out that you’re almost always negative.
 
Rockport said:
The real question is, when was the last time Dallas had a DT worth being resigned?
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Well to be honest its a legit question, my memory might be fading and it was before the salary cap I believe, but might be Russell Maryland.
 
Havic said:
I get that but osa is primed to have a break out year and the final year of his contract on top of that. He will get paid if he balls out big time
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Zimmer would love to see that happen.
 
If the Cowboys had a good DT next to him we would probably see more production.

Regardless I think he's an under appreciated solid starting DT that hopefully can break out and be more than a Maliek Collins type player.
 
Dallas has good luck getting DTs in late rounds. I wish they would stick to that. The Mazi pick came out of nowhere. If Rogers and OSA end up starting, Mazi will get cut.

I will say for as big as Roger’s is, he gets moved off his spot, I don’t see that immovable anchor in him. So I wonder if they build him for strength or slim him down.
 
Rockport said:
No just pointing out that you’re almost always negative.
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I don't believe in building up players into something the evidence says they are not. When praise is deserved, I give it. When it is not, I point out why it's not. Some pollyannas can't deal with that. Like I said, Osa is a good player. I'm glad the team has him. He's a great rotational piece. He's better than other 3-techs we've tried to roll out there like Gallimore, Hill and Maliek Collins. That does not make him what you need as your centerpiece at 3-tech. We haven't had that player since we transitioned back to the 4-3 and put Hatcher there briefly before he left in free agency. It looked like we might have found one in David Irving, but he let his demons get the best of him. Right now, Osa is more Tyrone Crawford level, and Crawford was a solid player who some got down on simply because he was paid more than thought he was worth and forced to start at DT when he should have just been a rotational piece. A big reason why we've gone through so many 4-3 coordinators IMO is because we haven't properly addressed 3-tech.
 
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gimmesix said:
I don't believe in building up players into something the evidence says they are not. When praise is deserved, I give it. When it is not, I point out why it's not. Some pollyannas can't deal with that. Like I said, Osa is a good player. I'm glad the team has him. He's a great rotational piece. He's better than other 3-techs we've tried to roll out there like Gallimore, Hill and Maliek Collins. That does not make him what you need as your centerpiece at 3-tech. We haven't had that player since we transitioned back to the 4-3 and put Hatcher there briefly before he left in free agency. It looked like we might have found one in David Irving, but he let his demons get the best of him. Right now, Osa is more Tyrone Crawford level, and Crawford was a solid player who some got down on simply because he was paid more than thought he was worth and forced to start at DT when he should have just been a rotational piece. A big reason why we've gone through so many 4-3 coordinators IMO is because we haven't properly addressed 3-tech.
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You can write a novel trying to justify it, but the fact remains you’re almost always negative about everything Cowboys. You don’t like building up players, but you have no problem trying to tear them down. Even the top players in the league like Dak. In this thread, you could’ve went with the positives with OSA or the negatives. You again, chose to focus on the negatives. Just about every one of your posts.
 
Slightly above average player. Would be better with a legit rotation player to split more time with.
 
Rockport said:
You can write a novel trying to justify it, but the fact remains you’re almost always negative about everything Cowboys. You don’t like building up players, but you have no problem trying to tear them down. Even the top players in the league like Dak. In this thread, you could’ve went with the positives with OSA or the negatives. You again, chose to focus on the negatives. Just about every one of your posts.
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Blah, blah, blah. Stick with attacking the posters instead of discussing the players, team. It is what you do best.
 
Creeper said:
I am not disagreeing or agreeing, but just out of curiosity, when was the last time Dallas resigned a DT they drafted in any round? It might be right in front of me but I can't recall.
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Ratliff maybe? Kind of pulling a blank on this one. Good question.
 
The market for DT has quietly risen pretty high these last few seasons.

Leonard Williams, a 30 year old guy who's really good but not quite a star, got $21M/yr on his contract. DJ Reader and Grover Stewart, two pretty good starting run cloggers, got $13M/yr. Raekwon Davis and A'Shawn Robinson, just kind of rotational-caliber run stuffers, got $7M/yr.

Let's say that Osa goes out and has another season like his last 2... lots of pressure, not a lot of sacks, and he stays healthy. If I'm his agent in 2025, I'm targeting a contract closer to Williams than Grover Stewart. My client is 26 years old, has no significant injury history, has 3 productive pass rushing seasons, and fits into a gap-shooter role on any defense. He comes with very low risk and gives you an instant inside-rush presence. I'm probably asking for 4 years in the $18M a year zone.
 
I feel like Osa does just enough to think there is potential for him to be really good, but it's just an occasional flash that never results in any consistency. With sacks, for example, as a rookie he had sacks in his 3rd & 4th games, then never had another sack all season. Last year he had 3 sacks in the first 2 game of the season, and no more the rest of the season. I know sacks aren't everything, but I think they are a microcosm of his play in general. He is not a run stuffer, so to be an impact player he needs to penetrate & make plays, and that ability only seems to appear in short spurts.
 
week 1 through 10 Osa ill take as a serviceable rotation guy. a little weak against the run but he fits in just fine. He runs out of juice like the rest of them last few games
 
OmerV said:
I feel like Osa does just enough to think there is potential for him to be really good, but it's just an occasional flash that never results in any consistency. With sacks, for example, as a rookie he had sacks in his 3rd & 4th games, then never had another sack all season. Last year he had 3 sacks in the first 2 game of the season, and no more the rest of the season. I know sacks aren't everything, but I think they are a microcosm of his play in general. He is not a run stuffer, so to be an impact player he needs to penetrate & make plays, and that ability only seems to appear in short spurts.
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Not even spurts. More like squirts.
 
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