Osa: run it back or let him walk

[DuncanIso]

I would agree, but thats why I think the franchise tag could be a legitimate option. 1 year of big money doesn't hurt nearly as bad as a long extension would at that money.

They dont have the cap to tag. 8(

I think fans will be shocked at OSA's new contract. $$$

 

[thunderpimp91]

Thanks for your input ThunderPimp. I don't see anyone around here telling pilots how to fly planes so I'm not sure how that is relevant. I'm just tired of everyone crying about every move this front office makes. If we resign guys early, that's a mistake. If someone signs a contract and gets hurt, that contract was mistake. If we let a 5th string guy go, that's a mistake. If we sign a FA, we overpaid and it was a mistake. We don't sign anyone, it's a mistake. Then there's the camp who thinks everyone should be released or traded after year 3. The hindsight is out of control. I feel like half the people who post here don't actually like the team, they just like to complain about every move we make or don't make.

While I understand the overall issue of complaining around here and admit its a valid issue I also see a real issue thats worthy of discussion in the repeated mistakes when it comes to the Jones family and failed contract negotiations. We also have issue with Jerry/Stephen giving fans total BS answers about negotiations. There was no reason to wait until the day of the first game to sign Dak. It was a mistake to play him on the franchise tag the first time around. The Cowboys for all they do right in talent acquisition have made it difficult to get ahead of the rest of the league because they can't make decisions on players early. Trading a guy early can be a good thing. OSA would have been a great candidate this past offseason, Armstrong would have been a great candidate the year before. On the flip side if you wanted to keep an OSA its much cheaper to extend him a year early and you'd have an extra year of a rookie deal to spread that cap hit out over.

I have zero issue calling out the complainers who bash Jerry just to bash Jerry, but this is a topic I think fans have very valid pushback over and it can come in a variety of ways.

 

[CowboysRule]

While I understand the overall issue of complaining around here and admit its a valid issue I also see a real issue thats worthy of discussion in the repeated mistakes when it comes to the Jones family and failed contract negotiations. We also have issue with Jerry/Stephen giving fans total BS answers about negotiations. There was no reason to wait until the day of the first game to sign Dak. It was a mistake to play him on the franchise tag the first time around. The Cowboys for all they do right in talent acquisition have made it difficult to get ahead of the rest of the league because they can't make decisions on players early. Trading a guy early can be a good thing. OSA would have been a great candidate this past offseason, Armstrong would have been a great candidate the year before. On the flip side if you wanted to keep an OSA its much cheaper to extend him a year early and you'd have an extra year of a rookie deal to spread that cap hit out over.

I have zero issue calling out the complainers who bash Jerry just to bash Jerry, but this is a topic I think fans have very valid pushback over and it can come in a variety of ways.

You make a valid point with extending players early. And there are many players we have done that with. Look at the current situation with Diggs and Steele. Both players have been injured and as a result, have underperformed, especially when fans expect their play to immediately return to top form after suffering an ACL tear which takes most players multiple seasons to fully recover from. There is constant complaining about those players and their contracts, as if the front office could have anticipated the injuries. My whole point is, it doesn't matter what the FO does, there will be a large faction of people who come out and just whine and complain. They are unhappy when we make moves, we are unhappy when we don't. When we don't do exactly what they think we should do, no matter how outlandish it may be, you get thread after thread of crying and moaning.

 

[DuncanIso]

While I understand the overall issue of complaining around here and admit its a valid issue I also see a real issue thats worthy of discussion in the repeated mistakes when it comes to the Jones family and failed contract negotiations. We also have issue with Jerry/Stephen giving fans total BS answers about negotiations. There was no reason to wait until the day of the first game to sign Dak. It was a mistake to play him on the franchise tag the first time around. The Cowboys for all they do right in talent acquisition have made it difficult to get ahead of the rest of the league because they can't make decisions on players early. Trading a guy early can be a good thing. OSA would have been a great candidate this past offseason, Armstrong would have been a great candidate the year before. On the flip side if you wanted to keep an OSA its much cheaper to extend him a year early and you'd have an extra year of a rookie deal to spread that cap hit out over.

I have zero issue calling out the complainers who bash Jerry just to bash Jerry, but this is a topic I think fans have very valid pushback over and it can come in a variety of ways.

We dont know what OSA's agent and Jerry are saying to each other.

Osa is gonna get paid mega UFA $$$.

no way he takes a contract that doesn't match that.

 

[vlad]

Unless its a jersey seller, or a future HOFer, feels like we only like to sign players

I can hear Jerry now saying they needed to use more pie real estate for Parson's new contract. Yada Yada some 35 year old guy they sign in August will be starting there next season.

Stephen already dropping those breadcrumbs.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

You make a valid point with extending players early. And there are many players we have done that with. Look at the current situation with Diggs and Steele. Both players have been injured and as a result, have underperformed, especially when fans expect their play to immediately return to top form after suffering an ACL tear which takes most players multiple seasons to fully recover from. There is constant complaining about those players and their contracts, as if the front office could have anticipated the injuries. My whole point is, it doesn't matter what the FO does, there will be a large faction of people who come out and just whine and complain. They are unhappy when we make moves, we are unhappy when we don't. When we don't do exactly what they think we should do, no matter how outlandish it may be, you get thread after thread of crying and moaning.

+1 but something I think gets overlooked is it's not unusual for players to PEAK during a contract year and we never see those numbers again. This is especially true for defensive players. How many times do we see defensive player sacks, tackles, interceptions, etc go up during a contract year?

 

[KJJ]

Could be, but I would think either OSA or Dowdle could be candidates if Jerry wants to avoid a long commitment to either player. Wouldn't surprise me if the Cowboys were content with the comp picks either though....

No way are they going to tag Osa or Dowdle and pay either one top 5 money at their position. They’ll never be able to sign any free agents if they did that especially with Parsons likely holding out next summer for a huge contract. The Joneses are way too tight to be tagging a non elite player and pay them top 5 money for one year.

 

[thunderpimp91]

No way are they going to tag Osa or Dowdle and pay either one top 5 money at their position. They’ll never be able to sign any free agents if they did that especially with Parsons likely holding out next summer for a huge contract.

A new Parsons deal will most likely open up additional cap space for 2025 though. I completely understand not thinking either player is worth a tag...I would disagree, but certainly understand the thought process. I'm not sure what Parsons would have to do with it?

 

[KJJ]

A new Parsons deal will most likely open up additional cap space for 2025 though. I completely understand not thinking either player is worth a tag...I would disagree, but certainly understand the thought process. I'm not sure what Parsons would have to do with it?

You have to think into the future when signing free agents. They’re looking for long-term deals as will Parsons. Tagging a non elite player isn’t the way to go. Need to work out a contract with them.

 

[nycowboyfan]

No way will he only get 10 per. Anything under the 15 per range and you need to bring him back. Can’t keep letting talent walk away. He can even play base end on early downs if you don’t bring tank back. He can rush the qb. Can never have enough of those guys

 

[thunderpimp91]

You have to think into the future when signing free agents. They’re looking for long-term deals as will Parsons. Tagging a non elite player isn’t the way to go. Need to work out a contract with them.

But wouldnt using the tag on a guy like OSA just make it more possible to sign FAs to multi year deals? Most FA deals are going to get backloaded for the cap number anyways. Tagging a player like OSA for a year clogs up the 2025 cap number but leaves the 2026/2027/2028 numbers in better shape than signing him to a multi year deal. It depends on how optimistic Jerry is about 2025 but if the goal is to try and load up on guys for a realistic run next year this would make the most sense to me. If you think OSAs value is more in that $10-15M range then yes my idea is silly, but if I'm right and hes closer to that $20M mark then this is a great way to bring him back without complicating the future cap to affect multi year FAs and gives you another year to evaluate or replace him.

What am I missing here?

 

[KJJ]

But wouldnt using the tag on a guy like OSA just make it more possible to sign FAs to multi year deals? Most FA deals are going to get backloaded for the cap number anyways. Tagging a player like OSA for a year clogs up the 2025 cap number but leaves the 2026/2027/2028 numbers in better shape than signing him to a multi year deal. It depends on how optimistic Jerry is about 2025 but if the goal is to try and load up on guys for a realistic run next year this would make the most sense to me. If you think OSAs value is more in that $10-15M range then yes my idea is silly, but if I'm right and hes closer to that $20M mark then this is a great way to bring him back without complicating the future cap to affect multi year FAs and gives you another year to evaluate or replace him.

What am I missing here?

If it makes sense to you then fine. I gave my opinion. Don’t care to spend all day on it.

 

[KJJ]

What am I missing here?

Jerry is trying to create cap space and tagging a player isn’t going to help do that.

 

[rambo2]

They need to sign Osa, Rico, Lewis, and Lawson, and maybe bring back Tank.

 

[Proof]

Osa insanity.

He's been a massively underachieving starting 3 tech for years and people are treating him as a major piece you can't lose.

Just insanity.

this is where i admit i just have no clue. i've watched him, he has seemed solid, but the analytics community loves him and raves about him

 

[neosapien23]

4 years 97 million just like alim mcneil. I say resign. You cannot keep letting good players go and hope to compete. They should have learned their lesson after letting pollard go.

 

[Nexx]

The guy literally splashes two or three times a year then disappears and gets pushed around in the run game for the rest. Hard pass at a big number for me.

 

[J_Allen]

I really don't trust any of these players once they get a second contract. I can't name five players in the last 30 years who maintained the same level of play once they got their second one.

There are two Givens on this team: you can hold out all of training camp and get paid and you can sign your second contract and play like trash and nothing will happen to you.