OT: College Football Debate

[SibannacRex]

Michigan does not deserve to play OSU again. They played a great game today. The gave OSU a good challenge. Effectively, they gave them their best shot. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough.

That's my point. They gave it their best and it wasn't enough. And there is nothing that will happen between now and early Jan. that will make Michigan a better team.

So why watch them lose again? Give another team a shot at beating OSU. Either the USC/ND winner or the SEC champ. The only way Michigan would deserve a second chance is if USC loses to ND and neither Arkansas or Florida looks very good in the next few weeks.

Otherwise, one of thoes other teams deserves the opportunity to play OSU.

Now what you saw today and what you will see in the coming weeks is as close to a playoff as you can imagine in college football.

Ideally, instead of OSU vs. Mich and ND vs USC, it probably should have been (1) OSU vs. (4) ND and (3)USC vs. (2) Mich. Then the winner of those two games would play in the championship game. However, it didn't work out that way, but it's as close as you could have gotten.

Imagine if Michigan plays OSU again and wins. Then you have USC not only winning out, but convincingly beating the SEC champ in the rose bowl. Do you think Michigan should win it outright in that case?

Shouldn't OSU get consideration even though they just lost?

After all, they had already beaten Michigan earlier in the year.

Shouldn't USC get consideration since they had the toughest schedule out of all of those teams and ended up with the same record as Mich. and OSU?

On the other hand, if USC wins out and then beats OSU, they would be closer to an undisputed champ. Mich, ND, FLA and Arkansas would not have a leg to stand on.

* They would have already beaten ND and Arkansas
* Michigan had their chance at OSU and couldn't beat them
* Florida just doesn't look very good, even in their wins


Given that type of outcome, it seems that sending Michigan to Arizona to play OSU doesn't make a lot of sense, especially if a victory for them would not provide enough of an argument to give them the national title.

 

[Cochese]

Who deserved #2 then?

USC lost to OREGON STATE.

ND got demolished by Michigan.

Florida just arent very good.

I am eager to see who you think deservesd #2

 

[parchy]

Who deserved #2 then?

USC lost to OREGON STATE.

ND got demolished by Michigan.

Florida just arent very good.

I am eager to see who you think deservesd #2

It doesn't matter. Michigan had their shot and lost. Why should they have another one? Give it to somebody else.

The fact that the BCS is forcing us to have this conversation is the real problem here.

 

[SibannacRex]

Who deserved #2 then?

USC lost to OREGON STATE.

ND got demolished by Michigan.

Florida just arent very good.

I am eager to see who you think deservesd #2

If you ask me right now, I'd say Michigan. But I'm making an assumption on how things playout in the coming weeks. If USC beats ND and UCLA, then they deserve leap frog Michigan. Remember, USC has had a couple of byes and they have two games left. They still have to prove some things.

Assuming things play out the way I expect them to between now and the end of the reg. season, I would rank them like this:

2. USC
3. Michigan
4. FLA/Arkansas winner

If ND beats USC, then I still see an argument for Michigan to play OSU instead of one of the other teams. But I don't believe ND is good enough at this point.

 

[Cochese]

If you ask me right now, I'd say Michigan. But I'm making an assumption on how things playout in the coming weeks. If USC beats ND and UCLA, then they deserve leap frog Michigan. Remember, USC has had a couple of byes and they have two games left. They still have to prove some things.

Assuming things play out the way I expect them to between now and the end of the reg. season, I would rank them like this:

2. USC
3. Michigan
4. FLA/Arkansas winner

If ND beats USC, then I still see an argument for Michigan to play OSU instead of one of the other teams. But I don't believe ND is good enough at this point.

I understand what you are saying, but USC lost to Oregon State. They dont deserve a #2 spot.

 

[calico]

This year has been strange...there really is no clear cut great team. I don't think USC should go or Florida...

 

[Tuna Helper]

I would love for USC to get shafted this year. Nothing makes me happier than seeing the west coast mediots searching for any reason to put USC in the national champ game.

The PAC-10 is not the same caliber as other conferences in the country.

 

[SibannacRex]

This year has been strange...there really is no clear cut great team. I don't think USC should go or Florida...

What would you get out of Mich/OSU II ?

Neither will play a game again. It just doesn't make sense to have them play again, especially if things play out like I described.

 

[Tuna Helper]

What would you get out of Mich/OSU II ?

Neither will play a game again. It just doesn't make sense to have them play again, especially if things play out like I described.

I would have no problem with seeing today's rematch as the BCS title game.

 

[Jimz31]

It doesn't matter what WE want....it's what the NCAA wants. They want ratings...bottom line. I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-match.

 

[SibannacRex]

It doesn't matter what WE want....it's what the NCAA wants. They want ratings...bottom line. I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-match.

It's still worth a debate.

 

[Cochese]

It's still worth a debate.

Judging by your avatar, Ill assume you are a fan of the Ohio State fightin ganja leaves?

 

[Tuna Helper]

It doesn't matter what WE want....it's what the NCAA wants. They want ratings...bottom line. I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-match.

If they want ratings, then they have to give us what we want.

I want a rematch of Mich/OSU, or OSU/Florida.

 

[SibannacRex]

Judging by your avatar, Ill assume you are a fan of the Ohio State fightin ganja leaves?

Nope. I'm a west coast guy. I think the pac-10 teams get screwed every year, in the BCS and in the NCAA tourney.

Right now, I'm not convinced USC is no. 2, but if they beat ND then the argument is there for them to leap frog Mich.

Oh, and I guess I might be slightly biased since I went to USC for grad school. :

 

[Billy Bullocks]

So Michigan culd techinically be National Champs, even though they split the season series with OSU?

That's stupid.

Problem is, none of the other teams deserves to go ahead of Michigan. But letting Michigan play OSU again is stupid too.

 

[CowboyChris]

the thing is, that Michigan is the 2nd best team in the country, the BCS is designed to put the 2 best teams against each other in the championship. but somehow someway they will screw that up too. as far as USC they would get smoked by Ohio St if they play, i really do believe they will lose to either ND or Ucla. which would leave the winner of Ark/Florida or Notre Dame. i would take Michigan over that. just my 2 cents

 

[SibannacRex]

i really do believe they will lose to either ND or Ucla. which would leave the winner of Ark/Florida or Notre Dame. i would take Michigan over that. just my 2 cents

In that scenario, I can see an argument for picking Mich over ND or Ark/FLA.

But I see USC winning out and, hopefully, playing OSU.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Facts are, USC doesn't deserve to play against OSU.

Michigan only lost to OSU, the #1 team in the country. SC lost to Oregon State.

The BCS will screw up yet again.

 

[StylisticS]

That's my point. They gave it their best and it wasn't enough. And there is nothing that will happen between now and early Jan. that will make Michigan a better team.

Remember Florida-Florida State in 1996. Both teams were undefeated going into that game in Tallahassee. FSU won a good hard fought game and sent Florida down to number 4 in the nation. Nebraska lost to Texas and Arizona State lost to Ohio State and Florida got that rematch with FSU. Florida won the game in the sugar bowl 52-20 and won the national championship.

This could easily happen this year. Don't be so quick to dismiss the Wolverines. It wasn't like they lost in a blowout. Michigan shot themselves in the foot many times and could have came out with a victory. If they met again, Michigan has a great chance to win that rematch.

 

[bbgun]

You can't lose your last game and advance to the championship game. It's practically unheard of. It was understood that this was a game for all the marbles; a possible sequel was not part of the deal.