other teams top draft picks & starting

[superpunk]

No, sorry... if there are 32 spots in the first round and 3 QB's were drafted in the first that makes 29 others spots, not 28... Doesn't matter that some teams had two picks. The reason there are more than 29 listed is he listed some teams 2nd round picks that did not have a 1st rounder (ie Skins and McIntosh)

He didn't list Dallas. :shrug:

 

[dallasfan]

Cromartie was a boom or bust pick. I'm not sure I wanted a pick who played all of what, 1 game last year? That was a reach by the Chargers, and it would have been worse for us, considering how good our corner situation was.

Why is Cromartie a boom or bust pick?

 

[superpunk]

Why is Cromartie a boom or bust pick?

He was picked more for his physical talent rather than anything he did in college. And his physical skills are amazing. So are Matt JOnes. I didn't want to take that chance either.

 

[dallasfan]

And like I said before, I've always thought Carpenter's skills were better suited for an ILB position in a 3-4. Most teams have DEs lined up OLBs and just don't expect them to cover much, with BPs moving Ellis to OLB, that pretty much proves, he also doesn't expect the OLBs to cover much. While I'm pretty sure Carp will be a good player (Like Burnett he'll play nickle LB, but I think will eventually supplant Ayodele), if the coaching staff could do it all over, I wouldn't be suprised if they took someone else.

 

[dallasfan]

He was picked more for his physical talent rather than anything he did in college. And his physical skills are amazing. So are Matt JOnes. I didn't want to take that chance either.

I thought boom or bust meant, if he doesn't make an imediate impact, he's a bust. If that's what it means, I disagree, because he played so little in college, I think he'll need time to develop.

 

[superpunk]

And like I said before, I've always thought Carpenter's skills were better suited for an ILB position in a 3-4. Most teams have DEs lined up OLBs and just don't expect them to cover much, with BPs moving Ellis to OLB, that pretty much proves, he also doesn't expect the OLBs to cover much. While I'm pretty sure Carp will be a good player (Like Burnett he'll play nickle LB, but I think will eventually supplant Ayodele), if the coaching staff could do it all over, I wouldn't be suprised if they took someone else.

I've thought about it, and the only pick other than Carp/Lawson that would have made me happy was either one of the RBs, Maroney or Williams. I don't really like our RB situation, and I would have liked that. But there was noone else worth it, IMO.

 

[superpunk]

I thought boom or bust meant, if he doesn't make an imediate impact, he's a bust. If that's what it means, I disagree, because he played so little in college, I think he'll need time to develop.

No. To me it means, it's either going to be completely great, or completely suck. Kind of like taking Kerry Collins in a fantasy draft last year.

 

[JonCJG]

Bottom line I think our D would be better off with Cromartie.

Glenn is 34 going on 35 and anytime now he is bound to take a nose dive. I don't know too many 34 year old cb's who are playing nickel this year and for good reason. Speed and quickness, the things they rely on the most start to go after 30.

We had good depth at LB on this team even before we drafted Carpenter. I think he will be a very good player for us one day. I just feel like maybe we gave up on Burnett too easily. I said so before the draft. Anyway.....

If I had to choose one, for this year to help us get to a Super Bowl, Cromartie would be my pick.

And I don't think Carp is any better at coverage then Ware would be.

 

[dallasfan]

I've thought about it, and the only pick other than Carp/Lawson that would have made me happy was either one of the RBs, Maroney or Williams. I don't really like our RB situation, and I would have liked that. But there was noone else worth it, IMO.

At the time I wanted Lawson (actually when we were on the clock I wanted Winston Justice, btw how's he doing), but in hindsight I would've taken Maroney, and hopefully traded JJ.

 

[superpunk]

Glenn is 34 going on 35 and anytime now he is bound to take a nose dive. I don't know too many 34 year old cb's who are playing nickel this year and for good reason. Speed and quickness, the things they rely on the most start to go after 30.

Well, Newman does move into the slot in our nickel packages, if thats what you're talking about. Glenn was fantastic last year. I don't see the need to reach in the first round for a guy to replace him, especially when guys like Nate Jones and Reeves come along so well and are so versatile.

And I don't think Carp is any better at coverage then Ware would be.

I don't think you're getting our nickel alignment.

Ware, Ferguson, ? and Ellis is our front line.

Burnett and Carp play LB. Ware wouldn't be out on coverage regardless. Waste of his apss rushing talents.

 

[dallasfan]

Bottom line I think our D would be better off with Cromartie.

Glenn is 34 going on 35 and anytime now he is bound to take a nose dive. I don't know too many 34 year old cb's who are playing nickel this year and for good reason. Speed and quickness, the things they rely on the most start to go after 30.

We had good depth at LB on this team even before we drafted Carpenter. I think he will be a very good player for us one day. I just feel like maybe we gave up on Burnett too easily. I said so before the draft. Anyway.....

If I had to choose one, for this year to help us get to a Super Bowl, Cromartie would be my pick.

And I don't think Carp is any better at coverage then Ware would be.

Cromartie would be a bad pick b/c
1.)he would play behind A.Glenn for atleast this year and probably part of next year
2.)that's too much money tied into the secondary, unless you're gonna move him to FS, which obviously means we don't draft Watkins
3.)Best case scenarion, is if Cromartie becomes as good as advirtised, it just means either Newman or Henry will walk, b/c there is no way we pay starting money to 3 CBs.

 

[dallasfan]

Ware, Ferguson, ? and Ellis is our front line.

Ferguson plays nickel? Why don't they just go with Spears/Canty/Hatcher (2 out of the 3 obviously).

 

[superpunk]

Ferguson plays nickel? Why don't they just go with Spears/Canty/Hatcher (2 out of the 3 obviously).

I'm sketchy on what our interior alignment is going to be in the nickel. We haven't really seen it in the preseason. But I know there is no way Ware is playing LB in our nickel packages./

 

[JonCJG]

Glenn has to cover #1 and #2 wr's in the nickel and he is slowing down. I don't understand how people can be so comfortable with him. He is ancient at his position. We saw what Moss did to him last year.

With the drafting of Hatcher, IF we had drafted Cromartie, Ware would play next to Burnett at LB in the nickel.

Line would consist of Spears, Canty, Hatcher and Ellis.

It doesn't matter, we drafted Carp and we will live with that. I hope he turns into a Pro Bowler some day. I will say this one last time, Glenn makes me very nervous.

 

[dallasfan]

Glenn has to cover #1 and #2 wr's in the nickel and he is slowing down. I don't understand how people can be so comfortable with him. He is ancient at his position. We saw what Moss did to him last year.

With the drafting of Hatcher, IF we had drafted Cromartie, Ware would play next to Burnett at LB in the nickel.

Line would consist of Spears, Canty, Hatcher and Ellis.

It doesn't matter, we drafted Carp and we will live with that. I hope he turns into a Pro Bowler some day. I will say this one last time, Glenn makes me very nervous.

Why put our best pass rusher in a situation where he may have to cover someone on an obvious passing down? In passing situations, 99.9% of the time 3-4 OLBs move to DE. 3-4 ends don't have the speed to play outside on a four man front, plain and simple. Richard Seymour, the best 3-4 end in the league, was a DT when they played the 4-3. If Ware were put in a situation where he had to cover a WR/TE on 3rd and 8 with 1 minute to go, would you be comfortable?

 

[Rockytop6]

You think Cormartie would see the field over Glenn? yeah, he's a specimen, but so is Jammer, and even now he wouldn't beat out Glenn as our third CB. Ware and Ellis are our Nickel ends, I don't think Canty makes much sense there. Carpenter and Burnett are pretty strong in pass coverage. Upside is nice, but it misses just as often as it hits. I think Carp was the most solid pick to make, and that's what the defense needs - a Teddy Bruschi to Ware and Ellis's Willi McGinest.

I am very happy with Carp.

 

[superpunk]

Glenn has to cover #1 and #2 wr's in the nickel and he is slowing down. I don't understand how people can be so comfortable with him. He is ancient at his position. We saw what Moss did to him last year.

With the drafting of Hatcher, IF we had drafted Cromartie, Ware would play next to Burnett at LB in the nickel.

Line would consist of Spears, Canty, Hatcher and Ellis.

It doesn't matter, we drafted Carp and we will live with that. I hope he turns into a Pro Bowler some day. I will say this one last time, Glenn makes me very nervous.

I don't see any situation where we would take our best pass rusher off the LOS in passing downs.

As for Glenn, he played extremely well as our third corner last year. I'm more than comfortable with him there.

 

[baj1dallas]

Sims was a first round pick and he's starting for Detroit. Although that's not particularly impressive. I could probably start in that linebacking corps, if I could manage to play a quarter without getting injured.