Twitter: Other than this, our offensive line looks great

[xwalker]

Although I acknowledge that there are questions and concerns, am I the only one who feels pretty good about what this offensive line might be?

Sure, there are concerns about Tyron Smith's health. but most seasons he still plays nearly every game and is still one of the top tackles when he does.

Tyler Smith is a big, powerful player who can move well. His problem is that he can be overaggressive and that can be used against him in space. As an interior player, there is less space to use against him, which should play to his power and cut down on the penalties. If he has to move out to LT to cover for Tyron Smith, that's where the concerns would probably crop up.

Biadasz was bad at times, but the number of times was relatively small. Some of them just really stood out and made an impression. We do need to see improvement from him, but coupled with the penalty problems for Williams and Collins, his year looked far worse than what it was. I'm also interested in the players contending with him for the job. Nothing may come of it, but there could be some competition there.

Martin is Martin. He's getting dinged up a little more as he accumulates season, but he's still one of the best.

I thought we played better as a line with Steele in the lineup than we did with Collins in the lineup. Of course, there are several factors involved in that, but Steele was not a problem, and he's young and can get even better.

This may be a bit rose-colored, but I've got other things that concern me much more than the line. It's possible that will change in a hurry, but for now, I more look forward to seeing what this line can do rather than being worried about it.

My only concern is the Swing Tackle.

I don't want to see Tyler play LT as a rookie but I also don't really want to see rookie Waldo at LT either.

Josh Ball is a complete unknown to us (fans) at this point.

La'el Collins was terrible in 2021.
- They should have started Steele in the playoff game but I don't think they expected Tyron to make it through the game and they wanted Steele focused on LT.

Tyron was terrible in the playoff game. He could barely move and couldn't match inside redirects by pass rushers.
- The good news is that he didn't have any back issues in 2021.
- If his ankle didn't get stepped on, he likely would not have missed a game.

 

[ChuckA1]

You can't draft great players at all positions. You've got to use FA to infill the holes. If a starting center becomes available, I hope they pull the trigger

 

[Ranched]

My only concern is the Swing Tackle.
I don't want to see Tyler play LT as a rookie but I also don't really want to see rookie Waldo at LT either.
Josh Ball is a complete unknown to us (fans) at this point.

That's 30 seconds I won't get back! Touche'

 

[xwalker]

I agree. I don't get why everyone watched our games last year and came away thinking Williams was horrible (he was) but that Biadasz was ok (he was not). He was a big part of why we got no movement up the middle and while "the numbers" say he didn't give up sacks he needs to be stronger in his base against the rush. Upgrade strongly needed there IMO. Maybe he takes a step forward, but I would have addressed center. Biadasz and Farniok doesn't make me confident

Biadasz had the 2nd best performance of the 5 starting OL in the playoff game.
- Tyron's ankle was a problem and he could barely move. He got beaten repeatedly on inside counter moves.
- La'el was terrible. They should have started Steele but they assumed he would end up replacing Tyron at LT before the game was over.
- Connor Williams penalties issues continued. He negated multiple good gains and the penalties put them 'behind the chains' multiple times.

I'm not saying that Biadasz was good, but he was not a primary problem in the playoff game.

I'll stay with my previous prediction that Farniok will challenge Biadasz for the starting OC position.
- As a late round rookie, Farniok did not look over-matched when he played snaps in the regular season.

 

[xwalker]

That's 30 seconds I won't get back! Touche'

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[xwalker]

tyler smith is not some can’t miss prospect. Comparing him to M. Parsons isn’t it.

Parsons was picked 12th overall. He was not considered to be a "can't miss prospect".

 

[JBS]

Parsons was picked 12th overall. He was not considered to be a "can't miss prospect".

Correct. And comparing smith to him still isn’t it. Let’s not suggest smith was in parsons class coming out. That’s embarrassing

 

[J12B]

Center is still my biggest concern.

Ranching is still my biggest concern

 

[xwalker]

Correct. And comparing smith to him still isn’t it. Let’s not suggest smith was in parsons class coming out. That’s embarrassing

You see that you were wrong and now you are trying to redirect.

There is always the possibility that a rookie will not be as effective as the starter at that position the previous season.
- That's true regardless of which players are involved.

The issue is that the probability of Tyler Smith being a downgrade from Connor Williams is very very low.
- It make no difference if Tyler worse than CW is 1% and Parsons worse than Jaylon was 0.1% probabilities, both are too low to be relevant.

 

[Haimerej]

I'm not worried about him at LG. Moving inside automatically corrects some issues that he had in college.

I would say it exacerbates his poor hands. If he thinks he's going to be able to hug and let those DTs into his chest he's going to have a hard time. He won't be able to muscle himself out of that in the NFL.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Ouch, not pretty. Hey things could work out fine. But we have a ton of experience telling us that a Jones led team typically does not work out fine.

This is what happens when you have a FO who has no sense of urgency. Their jobs aren't on the line every year so they can take their time building a team. The once dominant OL five or six years ago is gone and now having to build it up all over again. A GM and VP of Player Personnel whose neck is on the line will have more urgency. These days you can't keep a team together for long. You gotta take your chances when you can get them. Not wait til next year to try to solve another problem.
These bozos just see the money they are raking and feel they are doing a great job. Fans are stuck in purgatory with this family.

 

[JBS]

You see that you were wrong and now you are trying to redirect.

There is always the possibility that a rookie will not be as effective as the starter at that position the previous season.
- That's true regardless of which players are involved.

The issue is that the probability of Tyler Smith being a downgrade from Connor Williams is very very low.
- It make no difference if Tyler worse than CW is 1% and Parsons worse than Jaylon was 0.1% probabilities, both are too low to be relevant.

You redirected the conversation lololl. Not me. And the chances of him being worse than Williams are far greater than 1%. That’s a stupid comment. C. Williams just got paid my Miami. He’s an nfl starter for over 5 years now. Let’s the rookie play a snap before you make such silly claims.

 

[gimmesix]

My only concern is the Swing Tackle.

I don't want to see Tyler play LT as a rookie but I also don't really want to see rookie Waldo at LT either.

Josh Ball is a complete unknown to us (fans) at this point.

La'el Collins was terrible in 2021.
- They should have started Steele in the playoff game but I don't think they expected Tyron to make it through the game and they wanted Steele focused on LT.

Tyron was terrible in the playoff game. He could barely move and couldn't match inside redirects by pass rushers.
- The good news is that he didn't have any back issues in 2021.
- If his ankle didn't get stepped on, he likely would not have missed a game.

I don't disagree. I don't mind, though, waiting to see what Ball and Waldo can do before possibly adding a vet. I think the nuclear option is that we can always kick Martin out to RT and, I guess, Tyler to LT.

I'm kind of hoping that Waletzko shows he has a future at the LT position so we can keep Tyler Smith at guard, but I'm not expecting much from the fifth-rounder as a rookie. The best hope is that Ball shows he's ready to be the swing this year.

 

[75boyz]

Theres no doubt the O line has become a real issue due to recent years circumstances:

Tyrons durability.
Fred Beard's unexpected retirement.
Loss of Collins.
Williams not panning out and departure.
McGovern current status appearing to have peaked as backup only.

My personal doubts about Philbin's overall developmental and scheme philosophy despite his one outlier project success story in Steele.

Honestly,
I'm not a huge believer in the coaching or the talent level of this olinemen depth chart.

So basically I'll hafta see the onfield success in order to believe it.

jmo

 

[gimmesix]

I'll stay with my previous prediction that Farniok will challenge Biadasz for the starting OC position.
- As a late round rookie, Farniok did not look over-matched when he played snaps in the regular season.

He might. Center is a tough position to play mentally because you have to snap the ball and set yourself immediately. He didn't seem to have a problem with that. The easier part of playing center is that you often get a lot of assistance/protection from the guards. That makes blocking less of a challenge if you can get the centering the ball part down. Obviously, there are times that defenses are going to get you isolated and possibly run over you like they did with Biadasz a few times last year, but you receive a lot of double-team initial chucks from the guard to kill the momentum of the defensive lineman you have to face if not outright double-teams in pass blocking.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Wow no mention of LT? That’s been the problem. Tyron’s availability is hurting the continuity year in and year out. The LG position has been upgraded IMO. RT is probably a wash (pre injured/suspended wash).

Hard to complain about LT when you have such glaring holes. We know Tyron is good for 12 or 13 games a year.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I agree. I don't get why everyone watched our games last year and came away thinking Williams was horrible (he was) but that Biadasz was ok (he was not). He was a big part of why we got no movement up the middle and while "the numbers" say he didn't give up sacks he needs to be stronger in his base against the rush. Upgrade strongly needed there IMO. Maybe he takes a step forward, but I would have addressed center. Biadasz and Farniok doesn't make me confident

Farniok is better.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Why wasnt Moore calling for those plays in the first half of the season when the cowboys were rolling over everyone?

He probably was but nobody had a blueprint until the Denver game THE ONE I WAS AT where we got our butt kicked and he never made adjustments

 

[Kingofholland]

Center is still my biggest concern.

Agreed on center. Depth is also unproven with McGovern the only guy with some experience.

 

[AsthmaField]

Although I acknowledge that there are questions and concerns, am I the only one who feels pretty good about what this offensive line might be?

Sure, there are concerns about Tyron Smith's health. but most seasons he still plays nearly every game and is still one of the top tackles when he does.

Tyler Smith is a big, powerful player who can move well. His problem is that he can be overaggressive and that can be used against him in space. As an interior player, there is less space to use against him, which should play to his power and cut down on the penalties. If he has to move out to LT to cover for Tyron Smith, that's where the concerns would probably crop up.

Biadasz was bad at times, but the number of times was relatively small. Some of them just really stood out and made an impression. We do need to see improvement from him, but coupled with the penalty problems for Williams and Collins, his year looked far worse than what it was. I'm also interested in the players contending with him for the job. Nothing may come of it, but there could be some competition there.

Martin is Martin. He's getting dinged up a little more as he accumulates season, but he's still one of the best.

I thought we played better as a line with Steele in the lineup than we did with Collins in the lineup. Of course, there are several factors involved in that, but Steele was not a problem, and he's young and can get even better.

This may be a bit rose-colored, but I've got other things that concern me much more than the line. It's possible that will change in a hurry, but for now, I more look forward to seeing what this line can do rather than being worried about it.

That’s pretty much how I feel about the OL, Pre-camp. Nice take.

I do think there’s a chance Farniok might challenge and win the center position, but the most likely scenario is Biadasz improving and keeping his spot, IMO.