Our problem is not with Turner its with Bowles

[Wood]

Norv Turner makes the running and passing game better at each stop. The sky is the limit for Garrett. Turner and Garrett will most likely work well together. So we have to be happy about the potential offensive production next year. The problem is Bowles. If we had a good DC on this team...most wouldnt mind Norv as a temp hire until Jason is ready to take the torch.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if Norv can bring in a good coordinator for the D, then I would accept the hiring, I can't go into the season w/ the D coaches status-quo

 

[BulletBob]

if Norv can bring in a good coordinator for the D, then I would accept the hiring, I can't go into the season w/ the D coaches status-quo

Who is currently available (not under current contract) as a DC?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who is currently available (not under current contract) as a DC?

that's the problem, not much out there

 

[Wood]

I would almost say let Garrett also have input on DC since he came from Miami which had pretty good defense. I also would be hugely disappointed with Bowles as DC.

 

[superpunk]

Norv Turner makes the running and passing game better at each stop.

Why would you begin with something that isn't even true?

At least bury it in the paragraph where we might not notice it. Oakland's offense, which was #1 in 2002, and reduced in 03 under Callahan, improved SLIGHTLY under Norv in 2004, before falling back down again in 2005. This, despite acquiring the game's best downfield threat in Randy Moss. He didn't improve them, he made them worse.

 

[trueblue1687]

Problem is nobody knows what Bowles is like as a DC because he's never been one. Don't be shocked if he gets a chance though. Parcells was high on him, but that's not to say he would be a Parcells clone...I really don't know who else is available right now. Not because of Parcells waiting to announce his retirement, but just 'cause there weren't really any big names getting out into freedom this off season. I guess Dave Wanstedt could come back

 

[Doomsday101]

Why would you begin with something that isn't even true?

At least bury it in the paragraph where we might not notice it. Oakland's offense, which was #1 in 2002, and reduced in 03 under Callahan, improved SLIGHTLY under Norv in 2004, before falling back down again in 2005. This, despite acquiring the game's best downfield threat in Randy Moss. He didn't improve them, he made them worse.

He did or was the talent in Oak starting to go south? OL looks like crud in Oak which plays a big part in their offensive production or lack of. As for Moss he has been pouting since he got to Oakland and is known for playing when he wants to and slacking off other times. Also remember the Raiders team that made it to the SB was an aging team.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm guessing that there will be a few less Cowboy fans around when the season starts-- oh well a "cleanse" is good once in a while.

 

[Wood]

read Mickey Spag article from yesterday. He lays out were Turner has good run production in Washington with Davis and Terry Allen I think. He then lead Terry Collins for big numbers in Oakland. And last year helped Alex Smith improve his QB rating by 100% and Frank Gore had huge year. I dont think anyone is questioning Norv offense mindedness.

 

[superpunk]

He did or was the talent in Oak starting to go south? OL looks like crud in Oak which plays a big part in their offensive production or lack of. As for Moss he has been pouting since he got to Oakland and is known for playing when he wants to and slacking off other times. Also remember the Raiders team that made it to the SB was an aging team.

Those are excuses. The OP said he makes the running and apssing game better wherever he goes. He doesn't. That is a fact. In Oakland, he installed a power running game with Jordan, wouldn't use it, and instructed Kerry Collins to look deep and if the play wasn't there, just chuck it out of bounds. Two years wasn't enough for him to get it completely turned around, but they should have made some progress. Instead, they went backwards under Norv.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm guessing that there will be a few less Cowboy fans around when the season starts-- oh well a good "cleanse" is good once in a while.

Nothing like a good enema to purge the system. :laugh1:

On a serious note...I automatically figured that Todd B was the guy, but that little bit of interview with Norv and him saying he would bring some people in to fix the Defense (if I remember correctly) seemed interesting to say the least.

 

[superpunk]

read Mickey Spag article from yesterday. He lays out were Turner has good run production in Washington with Davis and Terry Allen I think. He then lead Terry Collins for big numbers in Oakland. And last year helped Alex Smith improve his QB rating by 100% and Frank Gore had huge year. I dont think anyone is questioning Norv offense mindedness.

"Terry" Collins' fantastic years were horrible by any standards. He didn't post a rating over 80 - same for Alex Smith. Smith went from utter garbage to somewhat functional. I guess that's a feather in Norv's cap.

 

[Doomsday101]

Those are excuses. The OP said he makes the running and apssing game better wherever he goes. He doesn't. That is a fact. In Oakland, he installed a power running game with Jordan, wouldn't use it, and instructed Kerry Collins to look deep and if the play wasn't there, just chuck it out of bounds. Two years wasn't enough for him to get it completely turned around, but they should have made some progress. Instead, they went backwards under Norv.

Call it what you will but a coach whose team is lacking in talent will not win, I don't care what the coaches name is. That Oakland team was up in age and started losing major parts of that team. Add to that you have Al Davis taking kickers with the #1 pick. For me Turner would not be my 1st selection but I do think Turner can do the job in Dallas if he is hired. When given talent Turner has been successful.

 

[superpunk]

Call it what you will but a coach whose team is lacking in talent will not win, I don't care what the coaches name is. That Oakland team was up in age and started losing major parts of that team. Add to that you have Al Davis taking kickers with the #1 pick. For me Turner would not be my 1st selection but I do think Turner can do the job in Dallas if he is hired. When given talent Turner has been successful.

Jano was drafted 4 years before Norv got there.

The team didn't have much talent - that's a given. The point is, that Norv did nothing to improve them, send them in a proper direction, or get them out of the basement. In two years, the guy had 1 divisional win. Only one.

He didn't improve them at all. He made them much worse. That is the point.

 

[Wood]

I just think Norv is getting some blame for Dallas not having a good DC in place. Its not his fault this defense crumbled. Obviously, the development of Tony Romo is high on Jerry Jones list. I have never seen Norv impede the progress of a QB. Jerry wants Romo polished in time for new stadium.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jano was drafted 4 years before Norv got there.

The team didn't have much talent - that's a given. The point is, that Norv did nothing to improve them, send them in a proper direction, or get them out of the basement. In two years, the guy had 1 divisional win. Only one.

He didn't improve them at all. He made them much worse. That is the point.

A coach can only do so much with the talent he has. They are coaches not miracle workers. You can hand truck keys to the best driver in the world but he is not going to make it run like a corvette. Turner has shown with talent he can do a very good job

 

[superpunk]

A coach can only do so much with the talent he has. They are coaches not miracle workers. You can hand truck keys to the best driver in the world but he is not going to make it run like a corvette. Turner has shown with talent he can do a very good job

Let's put the metaphors aside for a second -

What part of "He did nothing to improve them" is coming off my keyboard wrong, so that you think I'm saying that Norv can't coach talent?

He had two years to improve the team. He did nothing. He made them worse.

He had 7 years to improve the Commanders. He did nothing. He was able to manage to not give Trent Green a chance, though.

 

[rangers71]

Anyone that is going to hold the Raider job against Norv is crazy. No one is going to win there. Also were you in the huddle or on the sideline? Do you know that he instructed Collins to throw the ball deep every play or chunk it out of bounds?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Anyone that is going to hold the Raider job against Norv is crazy. No one is going to win there. Also were you in the huddle or on the sideline? Do you know that he instructed Collins to throw the ball deep every play or chunk it out of bounds?

Jon Gruden and Bill Callahan were winning there