Our running back worries are over

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're hilarious how you always interpret the motives of a poster who disagrees with you. I started this thread. You're the one who changed the subject to whether or not Murray is a power back.

I notice you kinda talked in circles around my question as to whether or not you believe any back on our roster runs with as much power as Murray. But I think you said Randle and Williams can run with as much power as Murray given the opportunity, right?

The same brain in the first paragraph ridicules me for interpreting your motives then creates a narrative about what my motives are in the last paragraph. Logical consistency is a struggle for you.

I am talking about your narrative and not your motive. You are repeating this narrative and trying to steer it back. You don't even argue that. Nope, you make it about me talking about your narrative and then accuse me of trying to go around in circles. I don't think about players like you and I am not big on pigeonholing players with one word labels.

I think Randle and Williams are more explosive than Murray to the line. I think Randall has better leg drive to push piles. Murrays strength was well roundedness, toughness and consistency. He could run with a little power but he wasn't overpowering. He could wiggle a bit in the openfield but wasn't breaking ankles regularly. He could get into the secondary and make big plays but he couldn't outrun defensive backs. The beauty of Murray was that he could maintain that level of play from the first snap to the 25th.

I never said Randle or anyone was better particularly when you factor the total package but your desire to fixate on one thing and aggrandize it is a waste of time. Oversimplification has it's fans apparently but not me not ever.

 

[gimmesix]

CBS Sports has him at 6-1, 230 and running the forty in the 4.6 range, If he ran it in 4.56 before, then that's quite fast for a man of his size. What should also be of interest is whether or not he can be coached to block & catch. I haven't seen anything mentioned to that effect as yet but at least, coaching a collegiate to block isn't at all unusual.

Looked to me like he could afford to lose about 10 pounds and maybe gain some speed from it. Might be a developmental guy since he hasn't been used purely as a running back that long.

 

[Doc50]

I would give it less than a 50% chance but keep in mind that Dunbar was undrafted too.

Yeah, he's an underdog for sure, but the kind you want to pull for, like Efe - our new imported manster.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I said that the revision is that Murray was a power runner. Now you are changing the subject. What you are hoping to turn the narrative into is obvious.

Randle and Williams don't shy from contact but no one we have had in quite some time fits the 'power runner' moniker. Barber was the last.

Murray would initiate contact rather than get hit but trying to act like he was trying to run through people is laughable. He was looking for creases to fall forward in like all our backs do even Dunbar. I think Randle has better leg drive but he never was featured thus never had to pace himself. Williams signature play of the preseason was trucking the LB coming off LT, keeping his feet and running for the end zone.

Ummmm Murray was running through people. I don't know what you mean by its laughable that he was trying.

Secondly, Randle does not have better leg drive than Murray. Randle style is more open field and has more wiggle. He really never used his legs to fight for extra yardage like Murray did.

Murray's run game was more power and running between the tackles. I doubt that any of our runners we have now is even considered a power back like Murray was.

 

[Bullet22]

There is a reason he wasn't drafted..

 

[gmoney112]

Ummmm Murray was running through people. I don't know what you mean by its laughable that he was trying.

Secondly, Randle does not have better leg drive than Murray. Randle style is more open field and has more wiggle. He really never used his legs to fight for extra yardage like Murray did.

Murray's run game was more power and running between the tackles. I doubt that any of our runners we have now is even considered a power back like Murray was.

It's quite possible that the 100th post you make about it will truly make a difference.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Someone at the Marietta Daily Journal needs to learn how to spell "Emmett" (sic) Smith's name.

Its amazing they spelled Emmitt's name wrong and got Synjyn Days right.

 

[ConstantReboot]

It's quite possible that the 100th post you make about it will truly make a difference.

The funny thing is that I shouldn't be making a post about Murray being a power back. It should be as obvious as night and day.

 

[ConstantReboot]

He's probably going to be a fullback or short yardage specialist.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ummmm Murray was running through people. I don't know what you mean by its laughable that he was trying.

Secondly, Randle does not have better leg drive than Murray. Randle style is more open field and has more wiggle. He really never used his legs to fight for extra yardage like Murray did.

Murray's run game was more power and running between the tackles. I doubt that any of our runners we have now is even considered a power back like Murray was.

********. I can think of Randle coming off LT and carrying the LB and nickel downfield with his leg drive and other instances. He also had the ability to shakepeople in the hole which Murray cannot do.

I'm not saying that Murray had no power but he is not a 'power runner.' He was not carrying piles. He was running through arm tackles, throwing a fabulous stiff arm and dealing with S and LB because our OL kept DL off him. If you want to see a top 'power runner' look up video of Lynch or Gurley.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's quite possible that the 100th post you make about it will truly make a difference.

 

[Alexander]

Camp body.

You could say this about 80-90% of undrafted FAs.

I do not think he will make it either, but coming from someone who watched pretty much every game he was in, he is no worse than any other camp RB that have been adopted as folk heroes over the years around here.

If he can play special teams coverages, he can easily be as good, if not better than Phillip Tanner because he can read a zone block. I realize I kind of insulted him, but you had people singing his praises after a helmetless run.

 

[Bullflop]

Looked to me like he could afford to lose about 10 pounds and maybe gain some speed from it. Might be a developmental guy since he hasn't been used purely as a running back that long.

Yep, I've been thinking the same thing. He looks a little heavy in the middle right now. Maybe they'll lean him down for awhile and gradually replace that extra weight with solid muscle. Then we'd have a bonified blaster. Of course, this is all assuming he makes the team. That comes 1st.

 

[Alexander]

Not really up on my fake pretend scout speak, but I can swear he shows some "leg drive" there.

 

[darthseinfeld]

40 Low: 4.56 40 Time: 4.66 40 High: 4.77

Not bad for a 230 lb. big man.


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=106734&draftyear=2015&genpos=QB

Was just gonna say....

Plus most of the HBs drafted day 2 ran in the 4.6's

 

[Awakened]

Not really up on my fake pretend scout speak, but I can swear he shows some "leg drive" there.

He just trucked a 300 DL, and you're asking about "leg drive?" Haha! That's what you call badass.

 

[mrmojo]

Bull****. I can think of Randle coming off LT and carrying the LB and nickel downfield with his leg drive and other instances. He also had the ability to shakepeople in the hole which Murray cannot do.

I'm not saying that Murray had no power but he is not a 'power runner.' He was not carrying piles. He was running through arm tackles, throwing a fabulous stiff arm and dealing with S and LB because our OL kept DL off him. If you want to see a top 'power runner' look up video of Lynch or Gurley.

Video?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not really up on my fake pretend scout speak, but I can swear he shows some "leg drive" there.

It's funny how you guys are going with this route. I guess the concept of leg drive is difficult for you. Leg drive means keeping your stride through contact and using your legs to drive to where you are going. Spearing a guy in the chest is not the same thing. Is it okay for me to say 'spearing' or is that a big word too btw?

 

[Awakened]

The same brain in the first paragraph ridicules me for interpreting your motives then creates a narrative about what my motives are in the last paragraph. Logical consistency is a struggle for you.

I am talking about your narrative and not your motive. You are repeating this narrative and trying to steer it back. You don't even argue that. Nope, you make it about me talking about your narrative and then accuse me of trying to go around in circles. I don't think about players like you and I am not big on pigeonholing players with one word labels.

I think Randle and Williams are more explosive than Murray to the line. I think Randall has better leg drive to push piles. Murrays strength was well roundedness, toughness and consistency. He could run with a little power but he wasn't overpowering. He could wiggle a bit in the openfield but wasn't breaking ankles regularly. He could get into the secondary and make big plays but he couldn't outrun defensive backs. The beauty of Murray was that he could maintain that level of play from the first snap to the 25th.

I never said Randle or anyone was better particularly when you factor the total package but your desire to fixate on one thing and aggrandize it is a waste of time. Oversimplification has it's fans apparently but not me not ever.

I think you're confused about the difference in identifying actions and assessing motives. I identified your actions. You assessed my motives (twice now) when you used terms like "hoping to turn the narrative" and "trying to steer it back." I didn't use that kind of language with you.

 

[Crown Royal]

Yup he like to spear guys trying to tackle him in the openfield. That is illegal now btw.

How about legal plays carrying the pile and the like.

Garrett called them dirty yards and he used that to describe Murray about 3-4 games last year. Murray turned tons of 1-2 yard contact plays into 3-4 yard gains last year. Murray has his holes but he was most definitely a power Back when he needed to be.