Our WR deep threats?

[Redsfan_83]

That's absolute hyperbole. Dak has no problem attempting long passes when he has time.

Maybe in a sense it is, but part of ou problem of having our QB1 throw deep is because of the failure of our OL to provide this time. And there were plenty of times over the last couple of seasons Dak had his deep threat, but his inability to look at 3rd and 4th options caused all kind of issues. He has the arm....however.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

None unless Turpin is considered for his straight line speed.
I think opponent defenses would take their chances with Fehoko or Tolbert attempting to beat them over the top.

Will be interesting to see Tolbert and Fehoko against starting opponent CB2s.

I'm not the biggest believer in Noah as a pass catcher against real competition as well.
They'll stack the box, bracket cover CeeDee and force Dak to beat 'em with unproven guys.

jmo

Don't forget about Schultz, 8 tds last year, and he didn't have Dak throwing to him all pre-season last year. I really think he will be even better this year.

Pollard has been underutilized a bit as well, he's got enough speed to get deep some.

jmo

 

[MarcusRock]

That's absolute hyperbole. Dak has no problem attempting long passes when he has time.

But I think what he's talking about is what I see, which is that we don't do it as often as other teams. That's what the numbers bore out when someone threw one of those 20+ yards sets of stats at me which confirms the reputation. Dak is good at 20+ but also throws fewer deep balls than others. Is it a product of the OLine over the years? Maybe, but it sure as heck is a risk this year, which is why it's good that this thread is asking the question of do we have guys who can get deep because the follow-up is will Dak have time anyways when he's not a deep thrower as shown by history.

 

[Cebrin]

You said it, it's preseason. I think what we've seen in practice will be closer to what we'll see in games. In practice there were multiple deep routes with Lamb, Fehoko, Turpin and even Brown. The issue now is providing Dak enough time in the pocket to complete those routes.

Deep routes are great, but YAC is just as important. Watch some CeeDee film. He learned a lot from Cooper, and I think he's gonna be a stud. Slot is not his natural position, but he did great at it year one. He spent 60% of his snaps on the outside last year, and lead the team. Young man is hungry to battle for that jersey #. Hope he stays healthy.

 

[CWR]

Gallup is a nice deep threat. He may not be blazingly fast but he's good at it nonetheless. When he heals up his contract will prove to be an excellent bargain.

 

[Runwildboys]

But I think what he's talking about is what I see, which is that we don't do it as often as other teams. That's what the numbers bore out when someone threw one of those 20+ yards sets of stats at me which confirms the reputation. Dak is good at 20+ but also throws fewer deep balls than others. Is it a product of the OLine over the years? Maybe, but it sure as heck is a risk this year, which is why it's good that this thread is asking the question of do we have guys who can get deep because the follow-up is will Dak have time anyways when he's not a deep thrower as shown by history.

Probably a risk this year, if the O-line isn't better than we expect it to be. Dak seems to throw pretty well when he rolls out to his right, and it appears that it's going to need to be frequently done, if they don't get the LT spot taken care of. The problem with that, is that means most of the deep balls will go to the right half of the field, and it won't take long for defenses to figure that out.

My head hurts.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Maybe in a sense it is, but part of ou problem of having our QB1 throw deep is because of the failure of our OL to provide this time. And there were plenty of times over the last couple of seasons Dak had his deep threat, but his inability to look at 3rd and 4th options caused all kind of issues. He has the arm....however.

The Air Coryell offense (ran by Garrett) that is being phased out by McCarthy has a lot of option routes in it. The QB can't really can't go to his 3rd and 4th options in that offense. Most plays only have a one and two option then a RB outlet. So, the posters that keep claiming Dak can't read the field, must don't know our offensive scheme.

 

[Chuck 54]

You said it, it's preseason. I think what we've seen in practice will be closer to what we'll see in games. In practice there were multiple deep routes with Lamb, Fehoko, Turpin and even Brown. The issue now is providing Dak enough time in the pocket to complete those routes.

Every wideout can be a deep threat. It’s not about just blazing past CBs because you have a faster 40 time. It’s good routes, double moves, selling the hitch and go, good run play fakes, and a heavy dose of solid 3-4 second pass protection.

 

[charron]

Will Dak have time to go deep? Doubtful.

 

[cowboyec]

lamb...gallup...turpin.
and maybe...tolbert...houston.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Every wideout can be a deep threat. It’s not about just blazing past CBs because you have a faster 40 time. It’s good routes, double moves, selling the hitch and go, good run play fakes, and a heavy dose of solid 3-4 second pass protection.

Even Deion couldn't just out sprint DBs, the days of Bob Hayes just blowing past cornerbacks is long gone....

 

[morasp]

When they get back, Gallup and Washington both thrive on deep balls.

 

[zekecowboy]

Maybe in a sense it is, but part of ou problem of having our QB1 throw deep is because of the failure of our OL to provide this time. And there were plenty of times over the last couple of seasons Dak had his deep threat, but his inability to look at 3rd and 4th options caused all kind of issues. He has the arm....however.

Dak can't read the defenses well enough, he can't get to his 3rd and 4th options and his long bombs have some accuracy issues. Now he won't have time unless he is in the shotgun and scrambles.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

his long bombs have some accuracy issues

Per PFF and USA Today Sports in 2020 Dak was the 4th best qb on deep passes...

 

[Redsfan_83]

The Air Coryell offense (ran by Garrett) that is being phased out by McCarthy has a lot of option routes in it. The QB can't really can't go to his 3rd and 4th options in that offense. Most plays only have a one and two option then a RB outlet. So, the posters that keep claiming Dak can't read the field, must don't know our offensive scheme.

I agee to a point, but MM may know but not want to admit that the scheme is build around what Dak can do comfortably. Let's remember, Dak has struggled with 2nd and 3rd reads on simple timing patterns. How many times has he thrown behind, or over his 1st/2nd reads? I'm an idiot and know this, lol

 

[LACowboysFan1]

How many times has he thrown behind, or over his 1st/2nd reads?

A not so good amount, but what has that got to do with not being able to make 3rd and 4th read?

But if a qb is having to go to his 3rd and 4th reads he needs better first and second receivers, obviously they can't get open...

 

[Redsfan_83]

A not so good amount, but what has that got to do with not being able to make 3rd and 4th read?

But if a qb is having to go to his 3rd and 4th reads he needs better first and second receivers, obviously they can't get open...

His inability to make his 3d and 4th reads causes him to panic and rush to make his 1st or 2nd. 4 years in and we shouldn't have to still talk about this with our QB1, yet we and broadcasters point it out. Now this could be part of the mentail game he's been battling because of injuries, which is why going into this year healthy is very key for the franchise

 

[MarcusRock]

Per PFF and USA Today Sports in 2020 Dak was the 4th best qb on deep passes...

He said "deep bombs." Those stats that come out call a deep pass 20 yards or more. Deep bombs are balls 40-50+ yards in the air and that's what I and others are talking about. Dak is not as good as the best at doing that nor does he do it as often as others, hence the rep.

 

[Runwildboys]

A not so good amount, but what has that got to do with not being able to make 3rd and 4th read?

But if a qb is having to go to his 3rd and 4th reads he needs better first and second receivers, obviously they can't get open...

Or the QB was forced to move someplace where he can't make the throws to them.

 

[817Gill]

yet the likes of Denver and Seattle went " vanilla " and deep bomb the hell outta Nahshon Wright and Bland ...and with their backup QBs ...

thankful Nooch showed that with Brandon Smith late in 4th ...

Do you honestly think the frequency of preseason deep passes has anything to do with the actual outcome of an NFL season?

Would love to see the correlation between preseason backups throwing bombs to successful regular and post seasons. 99.9% sure there’s zero correlation at all.