Over/Under Zeke rushing yards vs Bucs

[gimmesix]

difference is risen has been proven dead wrong about dak over and over. I’m dead on with zeke.

That's what delusionists tell themselves.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That's what delusionists tell themselves.

Those are the facts. Feel free to list the things I’m wrong about regarding dak and zeke.

I’ll wait……..

pundits agree dak is a top 10 qb……check
the pundits agree pollard needs a larger share…..check

 

[gimmesix]

Problem is your hero never shuts me up. And you zeke apologists keep tooting his horn. So as long as you continue to make zeke out as some superstar, I’ll continue to correct you.

I'm a realist. Elliott played excellent at the start of last season after working hard to slim down some and increase his speed in the process. The numbers are there to see for anyone who is willing to open his eyes. However, he played poorly after tearing his PCL, which he admitted "limited his burst." He probably should have been shut down and allowed to heal, but he wanted to be a trooper and continue to play and the staff and front office allowed it, and his numbers went way, way down.

Fans like you only look at those way, way down numbers and choose not to acknowledge how well he was playing before that. Whether he can get back to how he was playing the first third of the season is hard to say. He has gotten back into similar shape and looks to have similar explosiveness, but as we know, backs do not generally age well. Injuries that limit his burst may just be a fact of life now.

I don't think he's been a superstar since his rookie season, but he's still been one of the better backs in the league most seasons and the numbers back that up. He showed some of that superstar play again for a brief period last year before the injury, but who knows what's next?

 

[gimmesix]

Those are the facts. Feel free to list the things I’m wrong about regarding dak and zeke.

I’ll wait……..

pundits agree dak is a top 10 qb……check
the pundits agree pollard needs a larger share…..check

In the first five games last year, Elliott had two 100-yard rushing performances and almost a third (95 against Philly). He carried 85 times for 442 yards, which is 5.2 per carry, and that's despite an 11 for 33 performance against the Bucs. He ran for five TDs and added a receiving TD, and absolutely ran over what was the No. 1 run defense in the league at the time (Carolina). No one was calling for Pollard to receive a larger share then, but then Elliott got hurt.

Now, those are the facts, not what some pundits you agree with have to say.

 

[CowboyRoy]

In the first five games last year, Elliott had two 100-yard rushing performances and almost a third (95 against Philly). He carried 85 times for 442 yards, which is 5.2 per carry. He ran for five TDs and added a receiving TD. No one was calling for Pollard to receive a larger share then, but then Elliott got hurt.

Now, those are the facts, not what some pundits you agree with have to say.

and pollard was leading the nfl in ypc during that time. They 100% were calling for more pollard. He was killing it. Lol

even your cherry picking falls short.

zeke s tds we’re of the inside the 5yard line variety.

 

[gimmesix]

and pollard was leading the nfl in ypc during that time. They 100% were calling for more pollard. He was killing it. Lol

even your cherry picking falls short.

zeke s tds we’re of the inside the 5yard line variety.

So I list the stats in the games Elliott was healthy and you call it cherrypicking. I don't think you can help yourself.

I have no problem with Pollard receiving more carries. I think he absolutely deserves it, but it doesn't have to come at the expense of Elliott if he's playing well. They are two of our better offensive players and we need to get them both the ball.

But one thing you fail to acknowledge is that sometimes a No. 2 back looks great because he's a No. 2 back. Some Cowboys fans were calling for Troy Hambrick to receive more carries than a declining Emmitt Smith and even replace him because Hambrick averaged 4.7 yards per carry in 2000 and 5.2 in a bigger backup role in 2001. He took over as the starter two years later when Smith was cast out and averaged 3.5 per carry.

Not saying that Pollard would do that, but we don't know. There's a difference in being the starter and being the backup.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So I list the stats in the games Elliott was healthy and you call it cherrypicking. I don't think you can help yourself.

I have no problem with Pollard receiving more carries. I think he absolutely deserves it, but it doesn't have to come at the expense of Elliott if he's playing well. They are two of our better offensive players and we need to get them both the ball.

But one thing you fail to acknowledge is that sometimes a No. 2 back looks great because he's a No. 2 back. Some Cowboys fans were calling for Troy Hambrick to receive more carries than a declining Emmitt Smith and even replace him because he averaged 4.7 yards per carry in 2000 and 5.2 in a bigger backup role in 2001. He took over as the starter when Smith was cast out and averaged 3.5 per carry.

Not saying that Pollard would do that, but we don't know. There's a difference in being the starter and being the backup.

what do you think a 5 game stretch where zeke rushed for 100 yards twice proves? Lol

nah….those hambrick comparisons are garbage.
Pollard has done more with the football for 3 straight years. All you have to do is watch them run in the same games. Pollard is simply better. A fool can see that.

or just look at stats.

 

[gimmesix]

what do you think a 5 game stretch where zeke rushed for 100 yards twice proves? Lol

That when he was healthy he was among the best backs in the league last year? I acknowledge that after he was injured, he wasn't very good. I don't think you've ever acknowledged that before he was injured he was one of the best in the league. That doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That when he was healthy he was among the best backs in the league last year? I acknowledge that after he was injured, he wasn't very good. I don't think you've ever acknowledged that before he was injured he was one of the best in the league. That doesn't fit your narrative.

yet he wasn’t even the best back on his own team?

pollard outshined him. Which is exactly my narrative.

 

[gimmesix]

yet he wasn’t even the best back on his own team?

pollard outshined him. Which is exactly my narrative.

Pollard played a backup role, which is different than playing a starter's role. Who knows how he would have done if the roles had been reversed? Your narrative is that Elliott is a bad back, which is not factual. You seem to be dodging that now, but it isn't hard to find posts with you saying that in this thread alone.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pollard played a backup role, which is different than playing a starter's role. Who knows how he would have done if the roles had been reversed? Your narrative is that Elliott is a bad back, which is not factual. You seem to be dodging that now, but it isn't hard to find posts with you saying that in this thread alone.

Pollard played in the same offense, same qb, same oline, against the same team and simply played better. End of story.

nope….never said Elliott is a bad back.

 

[gimmesix]

what do you think a 5 game stretch where zeke rushed for 100 yards twice proves? Lol

nah….those hambrick comparisons are garbage.
Pollard has done more with the football for 3 straight years. All you have to do is watch them run in the same games. Pollard is simply better. A fool can see that.

or just look at stats.

Pollard brings a different dynamic to the field and what he can do with more touches needs to be explored. We don't have to tear down one back to lift the other up, even though you feel that need for some reason.

It always amazes me that you can spit such vitriol at Dak "haters," but can't see that you do the same thing they do toward Elliott. Of course, I don't expect you to see it that way because I don't think you have that level of discernment.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Pollard brings a different dynamic to the field and what he can do with more touches needs to be explored. We don't have to tear down one back to lift the other up, even though you feel that need for some reason.

It always amazes me that you can spit such vitriol at Dak "haters," but can't see that you do the same thing they do toward Elliott. Of course, I don't expect you to see it that way because I don't think you have that level of discernment.

I’m just stating the facts buddy. One most pundits agree with me.
Zeke is holding this team back at this point. His salary and his play. He needs to go. Again….most pundits agree.

 

[gimmesix]

Pollard played in the same offense, same qb, same oline, against the same team and simply played better. End of story.

nope….never said Elliott is a bad back.

Your words in this thread: Zeke is slow and predictable and needs big holes. Is that you saying he's a good back?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Your words in this thread: Zeke is slow and predictable and needs big holes. Is that you saying he's a good back?

You said I said he was a bad back. No zeke is no longer a great back.

for his salary, I would never want him. For 5 million per in a rib rotation where he shares Carries is fine. He is no longer worthy of carrying the load fully and hogging the Carrie’s. Not good enough.

 

[gimmesix]

I’m just stating the facts buddy. One most pundits agree with me.
Zeke is holding this team back at this point. His salary and his play. He needs to go. Again….most pundits agree.

So again, you are saying he's a bad back. I'm through with this. I list the stats; you ignore the stats or explain them away. I tried to talk reason with you even though I knew it was a fruitless effort. Have fun with your narrative. Squeeze every moment out of it before going into hiding if Zeke plays well.

 

[Floatyworm]

Lets set the over/under at his average per game from last season at 56 yards per game.

Over/Under 56 yards for Zeke vs the Bucs

Which one you taking?

Under....wouldn't be shocked if Vita Vea literally ate him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Your words in this thread: Zeke is slow and predictable and needs big holes. Is that you saying he's a good back?

Zeke is definitely slow and predictable.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So again, you are saying he's a bad back. I'm through with this. I list the stats; you ignore the stats or explain them away. I tried to talk reason with you even though I knew it was a fruitless effort. Have fun with your narrative. Squeeze every moment out of it before going into hiding if Zeke plays well.

Again putting words in my mouth. Zeke is not bad. He’s just no longer great and no longer deserves the role he is given here. A better runner is on the team.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So again, you are saying he's a bad back. I'm through with this. I list the stats; you ignore the stats or explain them away. I tried to talk reason with you even though I knew it was a fruitless effort. Have fun with your narrative. Squeeze every moment out of it before going into hiding if Zeke plays well.

I would be tickled pink I when zeke does well. But I bet pollard does better.

zkek can look good with tons of Carrie’s behind a great line in a great offense. But so could 30 other backs.