Owen Schmitt

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, I didn't "misremember." They get their pre-combine numbers from National Scouting. I e-mailed back and forth with them about this for awhile because of the whole Stanback 40 time.

They're not defunct.

That has not been established. And they do provide 40 times prior to the combine. According to the e-mail exchange I had, college teams often have junior/sophomore pro days where plays run 40 times or they might run 40s in Spring camp. That's where National Scouting comes in. Since teams don't have enough scouts to be in every place at all times when this is done, the teams pay for the service.

Find me there website theo. Are you trying to tell me that a company that charges 140k for its services doesnt have a website? you have two blog blurbs and thats it.

and your arrognace is truly astounding. you said you thought they merged with blesto but now that it might mean youc ould be wrong you take this tact. truly astounding and pathetic to boot.

again i dont have to prove your assertions. i just emailed them and they said youre full of it. see how that works? you think you can jsut make any claim and that is suddenly accepted as gold. its garbage.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nice article on National and Blesto for anyone that is interested:

http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/blesto.cfm

From the article: "As scouts evaluate the current class of seniors visiting schools' pro days, they often work out underclassmen for future draft years."

too bad that article says specifically they combined their workouts into the combine and nothing about independent workouts.

 

[theogt]

Find me there website theo. Are you trying to tell me that a company that charges 140k for its services doesnt have a website? you have two blog blurbs and thats it.

This is your argument? They don't exist because they don't have a website? Check out the article I just posted.

http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/blesto.cfm

Still think they don't exist?

and your arrognace is truly astounding. you said you thought they merged with blesto but now that it might mean youc ould be wrong you take this tact. truly astounding and pathetic to boot.

No, apparently they're still separate from Blesto.

again i dont have to prove your assertions. i just emailed them and they said youre full of it. see how that works? you think you can jsut make any claim and that is suddenly accepted as gold. its garbage.

Let's see the e-mail. If you want to call me a liar, prove it.

 

[theogt]

too bad that article says specifically they combined their workouts into the combine and nothing about independent workouts.

Did you not see the part I quoted?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is your argument? They don't exist because they don't have a website? Check out the article I just posted.

http://www.draftdaddy.com/features/blesto.cfm

Still think they don't exist?

No, apparently they're still separate from Blesto.

Let's see the e-mail. If you want to call me a liar, prove it.

i think i deleted it. if you want to call me a liar prove it.

now the article says that sometimes they will do that. would you care to explain how each and every prospects listed on the site you tout they all have 40 times listed. the two are mutually exclusive. you cannot have them sometimes omit prospects yet nfldraftscout.com has quality 40 times for all their prospects when the pro days and combine havent occured.

 

[theogt]

i think i deleted it. if you want to call me a liar prove it.

I can't prove that you deleted it. But you could prove that I'm a liar by posting the e-mail.

now the article says that sometimes they will do that. would you care to explain how each and every prospects listed on the site you tout they all have 40 times listed. the two are mutually exclusive. you cannot have them sometimes omit prospects yet nfldraftscout.com has quality 40 times for all their prospects when the pro days and combine havent occured.

First you argue that they don't exist. Then you get proven wrong. Now you argue that because the website says "sometimes" means that they can't possibly have a 40 time for every single player. How many times do you have to be proven wrong before you shut up?

But I agree. Some of their 40 times are suspect. I doubt that they could have a 40 time for every player. But you're not going to find out which ones are accurately timed and which ones aren't (believe me, I've tried to find out because of the whole Stanback 40 issue). But that's not the point. The point is that they're the best source for this type of information. They're the only scouts that attend these events and measure the underclassmen. Scott Wright doesn't. Any of the other sites you cited don't. Thus, they're the best source. They may be a ****ty source at best, but they're "less ****ty" than the others. And the original argument was whether your citations were better than mine.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't prove that you deleted it. But you could prove that I'm a liar by posting the e-mail.

First you argue that they don't exist. Then you get proven wrong. Now you argue that because the website says "sometimes" means that they can't possibly have a 40 time for every single player.

I agree. Some of their 40 times are suspect. I doubt that they could have a 40 time for every player. But you're not going to find out which ones are accurately timed and which ones are (believe me, I've tried to find out because of the whole Stanback 40 issue). But that's not the point. The point is that they're the best source for this type of information. They're the only scouts that attend these events and measure the underclassmen. Scott Wright doesn't. Any of the other sites you cited don't. Thus, they're the best source. They may be a ****ty source at best, but they're "less ****ty" than the others.

The exercise was to point out how youre position is flawed. You cannot substantiate your point. You have failed to establish that nfldraftscout.com even uses "National Scouting" or whatever you think they may have said. Im not attacking your source as you dont have one.

Actually there is no website for "National Scouting." There is one for "national scouting combine." they exist as the combine and the combine doesnt report anything but their scores. Go to their website www.nationalscoutingcombine.com and look for yourself.

And now we finally get to the nitty gritty. You admit that the scores they have could have been made up. Thats really all I need to know.

Well see at the combine but typically guys that run in the 4.5s can out run stumbling LBers.

 

[theogt]

http://img184.*************/img184/3072/nationalow8.png

 

[theogt]

The exercise was to point out how youre position is flawed. You cannot substantiate your point. You have failed to establish that nfldraftscout.com even uses "National Scouting" or whatever you think they may have said. Im not attacking your source as you dont have one.

Actually there is no website for "National Scouting." There is one for "national scouting combine." they exist as the combine and the combine doesnt report anything but their scores. Go to their website www.nationalscoutingcombine.com and look for yourself.

Just sent an e-mail. Consider yourself an idiot.

And now we finally get to the nitty gritty. You admit that the scores they have could have been made up. Thats really all I need to know.

Well see at the combine but typically guys that run in the 4.5s can out run stumbling LBers.

Sure they're estimates. But that wasn't the original argument. You argued that your citations were better than mine. I argued that National Scouting is the best source for this type of information. Whether they're accurate is up for debate. But that wasn't the argument.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://img184.*************/img184/3072/nationalow8.png

thanks so we know he didnt run.

 

[theogt]

thanks so we know he didnt run.

And now you know the company exists and that's where they get their times from. I'm glad I could help educate you about the world of college scouting today.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And now you know the company exists and that's where they get their times from. I'm glad I could help educate you about the world of college scouting today.

i know the combine exists. i never denied that. we also know that as Schmitt didnt run they dont have any of his times. its a guess just like any others.

you sure 'educated' me. i will also posit that this is yet another example of your acting like a 13 year old.

you 'showed' me!!!!!

 

[theogt]

i know the combine exists. i never denied that. we also know that as Scmitt didnt run they dont have any of his times. its a guess just like any others.

you sure 'educated' me.

It's an educated guess done by company that gets paid $140,000+ yearly to make educated guesses for NFL teams. It's a better source than those you provided, and that was the argument.

Here's your original statement:

all of that is more quantity and just as good quality as yours.

No, they weren't just as good quality. I said from the beginning that I don't know if they were accurate. But that they were provided by National Scouting and that that is the best source.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's an educated guess done by company that gets paid $140,000+ yearly to make educated guesses. It's a better source than those you provided.

Here's your original statement:

No, they weren't just as good quality.

you dont even know if its an educated guess. it could just as easily be all the rumor and innuendo that they see and they report that and no one guessing at all.

but at best its a guess. and a 'guess' that differentiates by .2 is pretty suspect.

 

[theogt]

you dont even know if its an educated guess. it could just as easily be all the rumor and innuendo that they see and they report that and no one guessing at all.

but at best its a guess. and a 'guess' that differentiates by .2 is pretty suspect.

You just don't get it. Whether it's a guess or not is irrelevant. You were proven wrong. Again. Hell, you tried to argue that the company didn't even exist. Look back at the thread. You look like an idiot.

 

[David276]

i was wondering why a thread about owen freaking schmitt had 400 + post. nice argument hahah

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You just don't get it. Whether it's a guess or not is irrelevant. You were proven wrong. Again. Hell, you tried to argue that the company didn't even exist. Look back at the thread. You look like an idiot.

how have i been proven wrong theo? the company now exists as the combine. national scouting in the incarnation that you were talking about no longer exists. you even said you thought they had merged. if i looked like an idiot then you did too, chachi.

now, you have proven that they dont have any actual numbers on schmitt and that they came from somewhere else. it could have been a professionals guess or it could have just been someone who gathers whatever reports that they can find and go with those or any other myriad of possibilities.

the point is that they arent real timings dome by these companies. you can think their average on a .2 spread as 'quality.'

ill wait til the combine and go by what Ive actually seen of his play and ability to outrun people or lack of ability i should say.

but hey you keep on going on about how you 'educated' me like a 13 year old.

 

[theogt]

how have i been proven wrong theo? the company now exists as the combine.

No, it exists as more than that. That's been shown.

national scouting in the incarnation that you were talking about no longer exists.

Yes, it does. That's been shown.

you even said you thought they had merged. if i looked like an idiot then you did too, chachi.

I said they may have merged. I couldn't recall if they did or not. They obviously haven't.

now, you have proven that they dont have any actual numbers on schmitt and that they came from somewhere else. it could have been a professionals guess or it could have just been someone who gathers whatever reports that they can find and go with those or any other myriad of possibilities.

I'm sure teams and media pay such high amounts for real scouts to just make blind estimates. Obviously we should trust your judgment based on watching a youtube clip over theirs. LOL. A youtube clip. That's hilarious. You're a joke.

the point is that they arent real timings dome by these companies. you can think their average on a .2 spread as 'quality.'

Some are real timings, some are estimates.

ill wait til the combine and go by what Ive actually seen of his play and ability to outrun people or lack of ability i should say.

That's fine. He'll run sub 4.7.

but hey you keep on going on about how you 'educated' me like a 13 year old.

Back to the name-calling. It's your crutch.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, it exists as more than that.

Yes, it does.

I said they may have merged. I couldn't recall if they did or not. They obviously haven't.

I'm sure teams and media pay such high amounts for real scouts to just make blind estimates. Obviously we should trust your judgment based on watching a youtube clip over theirs.

Some are real timings, some are estimates.

That's fine. He'll run sub 4.7.

Back to the name-calling. It's your crutch.

No they would pay them to find whatever reports that they could scavenge and then allow themselves to make a decision. you have nothing that says those are estimates and to be honest when you have a high of 4.8 and a low of 4.57 then that sure doesnt seem like a guess to me. it seems like a conglomeration of reports.

As for your bluster, well just see.

as for crutches, you are the one that was calling me 'scared' and about how you 'educated' me. its not namecalling if its true or then calling you theo would be namecalling too. as they say 'if the shoe fits....'

 

[theogt]

you have nothing that says those are estimates and to be honest when you have a high of 4.8 and a low of 4.57 then that sure doesnt seem like a guess to me. it seems like a conglomeration of reports.

Did you miss the e-mail I posted?

As for your bluster, well just see.

We will. Rumor out of his camp is that he's going to run sub 4.6. I doubt that, though.

as for crutches, you are the one that was calling me 'scared' and about how you 'educated' me. its not namecalling if its true or then calling you theo would be namecalling too. as they say 'if the shoe fits....'

I asked if you were scared to attempt to prove me wrong. Either you were or you were too lazy. There's no name calling going on.