Owens forces Cowboys into internal struggle over WR's future in Dallas

[JPM]

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lois, this is not my batman glass.

 

[Stash]

He isn't the absolute problem. But he is a part of it.

Yeah.

He's a part of it.

Like Romo is.

Like Garrett is.

Like Wade is.

And like Jerry himself is.

There's a lot of components which played a role in the Cowboys problem in '08.

But I find it amazing that the bets answer anyone comes up with is Cut Owens.

Everybody else is somehow immune?

 

[sonnyboy]

Ya know I liked this report.

It is fair and the suggested split is backed up with actual strong quotes from both sides of the aisle.


I am still 55-45 to keep Owens and may be moving to 60-40 after reading this.

I tend to agree with the thought that his "distracting ways" are overplayed here and used as a sleight of hand to mask other issues. I can tell you Jimmy Johnson would not have cut T.O. He might have cut every friend T.O. had on the team until Terrell did what he wanted but he wouldn't have cut Terrell.

I believe it is about 70-30 Owens stays right now. I just don't see Jerry as the kind of guy to give up that rare elite type talent. Jerry has been trying to get a WR like Mike in since Mike was injured and T.O. is as close as we have gotten. RW's meek play last season doesn't help the t.o. must go cause much. Neither does RW's chirping. How does Garrett's argument to Jerry go?

RedJesus: I want Terrell gone because he complains too much and makes the focus on him and off the team.
Jerry: Who is gonna be our lead WR?
RedJesus: Roy Williams.
Jerry: You mean the safety? The WR hates your guts man. He told the whole world you were why he couldn't catch a cold last year.
RedJesus: I really mean Jason Witten.
Jerry: He said he didn't like your offense either.
RedJesus: Well Romo can keep Witten in line.
Jerry: Romo hates your offense too plus you are getting him hit so much he can't play golf in the off-season the way he likes.
RedJesus: Screw all these guys thats why I keep interviewing elsewhere!
Jerry: But you are harder to get rid of then Terrell, 6 interviews and you don't take a single job.

 

[Rampage]

some people seem to think the media is making this up. man a lot of people in the media just happen to keep making up the same story.

 

[sonnyboy]

The one thing that brings my head to the brink of exploding is people bringing Owens' SF and Philly time into the equation when evaluating if he should remain a Cowboy.

That was done three years ago when the decision to bring him here was made.

All I care about now is the 1000 plus days he's been a Cowboy.

 

[Hostile]

Every player has positves and negatives. But not every player puts up HOF numbers. That cannot be denied. I don't believe his positives offsets his negatives, that is a media created myth and gross mismangement.


The bottom line in any company is how much revenue/success does he bring. It is up to management to focus his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses, for the good of the company.


Get rid of the incompatible bottom feeders (who bring less baggage but are much more unproductive).

2008 he did not put up HOF numbers though. You can't look at an entire career and weigh him on that. The most recent year is the only one that matters. 2007 doesn't even matter at this point.

The Cowboys need to weigh the positives and the negatives of every player. Weighing against TO right now are his salary, his age, his 2008 production, and his attitude. That is a lot on the negative side of the ledger.

 

[5Countem5]

some people seem to think the media is making this up. man a lot of people in the media just happen to keep making up the same story.

They don't make up the same story, they just feed off each other's stories.


This whole thing is bogus.

 

[Stash]

Outstanding article by Banks.

For all those that claim the media are nothing but rabble rousing, biased liars, here was a very fair and balanced piece on the situation.

Agreed.

I thought that was an excellent article and gave equal time to all sides of the argument.

My one question:

Why does Garrett even have a vote?

 

[sonnyboy]

some people seem to think the media is making this up. man a lot of people in the media just happen to keep making up the same story.

Oh no, just when we were having a rational discussion on Owens.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah.

He's a part of it.

Like Romo is.

Like Garrett is.

Like Wade is.

And like Jerry himself is.

There's a lot of components which played a role in the Cowboys problem in '08.

But I find it amazing that the bets answer anyone comes up with is Cut Owens.

Everybody else is somehow immune?

Like I said before, with every player you have to weigh all the positives and all the negatives.

I think the best answer is for him to simply shut the hell up. I think that is easily what is best for this team and the 2nd best option is down the list a ways.

 

[5Countem5]

Like I said before, with every player you have to weigh all the positives and all the negatives.

I think the best answer is for him to simply shut the hell up. I think that is easily what is best for this team and the 2nd best option is down the list a ways.

Seems to me that no one has been quieter this off season...

 

[Rampage]

They don't make up the same story, they just feed off each other's stories.


This whole thing is bogus.

even John Clayton who you keep saying "John Clayton even said he thinks he will be back" said If it was a majority decision that he wouldn't be a Cowboy next year. But Jerry has the final say and Jerry loves him some 81.

 

[sonnyboy]

2008 he did not put up HOF numbers though. You can't look at an entire career and weigh him on that. The most recent year is the only one that matters. 2007 doesn't even matter at this point.

The Cowboys need to weigh the positives and the negatives of every player. Weighing against TO right now are his salary, his age, his 2008 production, and his attitude. That is a lot on the negative side of the ledger.

You sure about that Hos.

I mean I give the whole tam some benefit of the doubt in this area. In looking forward to the 2009 Cowboys, I give the 2008 and 2007 seasons a fairly equal weighting.

A lot went wrong in 2008 and it effected the numbers of a lot of players.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah.

He's a part of it.

Like Romo is.

Like Garrett is.

Like Wade is.

And like Jerry himself is.

There's a lot of components which played a role in the Cowboys problem in '08.

But I find it amazing that the bets answer anyone comes up with is Cut Owens.

Everybody else is somehow immune?

Look at your list of guys:

Jerry
Wade
Romo
Witten
T.O.
Garrett

How would I decide who to deal with and to let move along???
I'd start with the removal of Jerry as he is the owner and is making the decision.

Then I'd say ok well Garrett has no skins as a Coordinator, Wade has none as a head coach.

Romo has 29 starts but no playoff wins.

Witten and Terrell Owens are Hall of Fame caliber players. If you are going to toe the line I'd do so behind my HoF caliber guys first, my QB next and then worry about my coaches.

All those players had one thing in common... they complained about the offensive game plan and execution. So I can't blame that complaining on any one guy. We couldn't win sans T.O. when we had a 13-3 season. We couldn't win last year sans Romo going 1-2, and our offense became anemic in 3rd down situations with Witten injured and playing like an old man.

I just happen to believe the key to this season is having ALL 3 guys on the field and healthy. Give me that and I'll take my chances with Dave Campo as the friggin coach and David Shula as OC.

Landry won 2 Super Bowls in a long career and Switzer won 1 in a short NFL career. How much more proof does one need to know it is about on field talent moreso than anything??

 

[Stash]

Like I said before, with every player you have to weigh all the positives and all the negatives.

I think the best answer is for him to simply shut the hell up. I think that is easily what is best for this team and the 2nd best option is down the list a ways.

And I agree with you 100%.

He does need to talk less.

So do a lot of Cowboys players.

And someone needs to grow a set and tell them that.

And someone needs to enforce it when they don't.

And someone needs to make sure everyone goes to meetings on time.

And the lack of that 'someone' is this team's real problem.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The one thing that brings my head to the brink of exploding is people bringing Owens' SF and Philly time into the equation when evaluating if he should remain a Cowboy.

That was done three years ago when the decision to bring him here was made.

All I care about now is the 1000 plus days he's been a Cowboy.

Well, his fans bring up his speed and strength and stats and return from broken leg from years ago, too.

 

[Rampage]

Well, his fans bring up his speed and strength and stats and return from broken leg from years ago, too.

wasn't that incredible though? that heroic performance in the Superbowl after leading Philly through the playoffs and finally getting them over that NFC Championship game hump. Than healing in 2 weeks to help Philly win there 1st Superbowl and how respectful and unselfish was he to praise his quarterbacks heart and toughness and great play in that 1st Superbowl win for that franchise?

 

[jterrell]

2008 he did not put up HOF numbers though. You can't look at an entire career and weigh him on that. The most recent year is the only one that matters. 2007 doesn't even matter at this point.

The Cowboys need to weigh the positives and the negatives of every player. Weighing against TO right now are his salary, his age, his 2008 production, and his attitude. That is a lot on the negative side of the ledger.

I have to pretty strongly disagree regarding production.
You have to weight a guy's expected output or potential output.

And you do that with a larger sample than a single season.

It would be completely illogical to assume T.O. can only achieve what he did last year especially knowing he had 3 games of Brad Johnson at qb and another couple with Romo very banged up.

But in Owens case his numbers have been so high you could use his off 2007 and easily justify keeping him even if he is basically satan in the locker room.

I mean that production would have been a career year for guys who are really good like Terry Glenn. Glenn never had more than 7 TDs receiving and while he did did hit 1100 receiving yards he never got 1150 and couldn't ever surpass the difference in TDs. Joey Galloway who we paid a king's ransom for only had 3 seasons of 1000+ yards and double digit TDs. Rocket never did it and Mike Irvin only did it once.

 

[sonnyboy]

Well, his fans bring up his speed and strength and stats and return from broken leg from years ago, too.

Ya, in the proper context. I brought that up to dispute some slanted views of the guys long term track record.

Its as if the guys been nothing but toxic poision for 10+ years. Never scored a TD, never helped a team win a single friggen game.

Every tought and deed has been with the dual purpose of promoting himself while simultaneously brining down his team and all of humanity.

 

[jterrell]

wasn't that incredible though? that heroic performance in the Superbowl after leading Philly through the playoffs and finally getting them over that NFC Championship game hump. Than healing in 2 weeks to help Philly win there 1st Superbowl and how respectful and unselfish was he to praise his quarterbacks heart and toughness and great play in that 1st Superbowl win for that franchise?

What's more incredible is how the Philly fans who wanted him gone have been proven correct with that Super Bowl dynasty they turned into once he left.

As someone else noted earlier this was almost a bunch of adults weighing in with actual relevant football analysis and respect for both sides of the discussion and not just whiny opinions dredging up old arguments....