Owens forces Cowboys into internal struggle over WR's future in Dallas

[ddh33]

I thought that was the best article that I've read on this subject. Maybe I'm forgetting someone else though. Anyway, fair and balanced.

I know TO is a great player. I don't question his ability to put up numbers, and I know he's a threat on the football field.

My issue is very simple, and it is so obvious in this situation. For some reason or another, with TO, there are always two factions. Why is that? Why can't there just be one?

You give me a united team with the same goals, and I'll gurantee you the team will do better. They'll handle adversity better. They'll even handle success better.

Those players don't have to be best friends. They don't have to like and dislike the same things. But there doesn't have to be two seperate, distinct factions! And I believe that wherever TO is, there will always be "his" group and there will always be "that other" group. For some reason, the QB and coordinator always seem to end up in that other group too.

 

[jterrell]

what kind of year do you think he's gonna have next year if Roy Williams,Miles Austin,Marion Barber and Felix Jones are all healthy and more involved in the offense like they're expected to be?

Lesser players don't steal stats from better ones.

No matter how good any of those players on that list are supposed to be none of them are as good as Terrell Owens.

But let's see if we can tell....

T.O. had 213 yards receiving and 1 TD against SF this year. In that game for some reason Sf focused on Barber and the run game. Barber had 19 carries for only 50+ yards. He also had 7 receptions though. Choice had 6 more carries and 2 catches. Thats 34 touches for the RBs. Roy E had 3 catches for 36 yards in one of his best games as a Cowboy. Marty B scored a TD.

T.O. caught only 7 passes.

The Cowboys are going to play Felix and Barber at RB, they'll play T.O. and RW at WR and Austin will get snaps as a 3rd or 4th WR. T.O. is still the lead Wr and he'll still get his chances. How much he complains will be determined by how much we win. Same as with everyone on this forum.

 

[jterrell]

I thought that was the best article that I've read on this subject. Maybe I'm forgetting someone else though. Anyway, fair and balanced.

I know TO is a great player. I don't question his ability to put up numbers, and I know he's a threat on the football field.

My issue is very simple, and it is so obvious in this situation. For some reason or another, with TO, there are always two factions. Why is that? Why can't there just be one?

You give me a united team with the same goals, and I'll gurantee you the team will do better. They'll handle adversity better. They'll even handle success better.

Those players don't have to be best friends. They don't have to like and dislike the same things. But there doesn't have to be two seperate, distinct factions! And I believe that wherever TO is, there will always be "his" group and there will always be "that other" group. For some reason, the QB and coordinator always seem to end up in that other group too.

very nice post.

i may not agree with your final assessment but i can respect that line of reasoning.

 

[Rampage]

Lesser players don't steal stats from better ones.

No matter how good any of those players on that list are supposed to be none of them are as good as Terrell Owens.

But let's see if we can tell....

T.O. had 213 yards receiving and 1 TD against SF this year. In that game for some reason Sf focused on Barber and the run game. Barber had 19 carries for only 50+ yards. He also had 7 receptions though. Choice had 6 more carries and 2 catches. Thats 34 touches for the RBs. Roy E had 3 catches for 36 yards in one of his best games as a Cowboy. Marty B scored a TD.

T.O. caught only 7 passes.

The Cowboys are going to play Felix and Barber at RB, they'll play T.O. and RW at WR and Austin will get snaps as a 3rd or 4th WR. T.O. is still the lead Wr and he'll still get his chances. How much he complains will be determined by how much we win. Same as with everyone on this forum.

you chose one of the 3 games teams didn't play the "T.O. prevent defense". he will be pressed at the line every game next season. he's not that much better than a Healthy Roy Williams. Miles Austin and Felix Jones have more big play ability than T.O. does now. his stats next season will be similar to last season because we have new weapons(Roy,FelixBennet,Austin) and because he's declining and because teams have figured out how to defend him.

 

[28 Joker]

That one Cowboys source who states that Owens "didn't complain about the offense in the media like Romo did at the end" has a selective memory. Owens did it multiple times. He had no trouble pointing fingers at Romo and Garrett during the year. He blames others for his inability to beat quick, physical jams and get off the line of scrimmage.

The source that brags about his 10 TDs and 1,000 yards and mentions the three games without Romo, forgets that Owens played 13 games with him. During those 13 games, Owens was getting shut-down or limited when the formula for stopping him or slowing him down was used. The 49ers gave him over 200 yards, because they didn't follow the formula.

Someone tell that Cowboys source that Justin Gage, Chris McKierens, A. Crumpler, Bo Scaife, Chris Johnson, and LeDale White think the Cowboys can survive without iOwens. Their best offensive player was rookie. If the Titans would have drafted Felix Jones, he would have been their best player on offense the day he was drafted. What a joke that some in Valley Ranch think the team will be lost without a declining, selfish player.

If it is true that Wade Phillips could still live with Owens and isn't trying to get him out of Dallas, it is reflective of his weak leadership. Not firing him, looks like a huge mistake now. If this is true, it makes me very upsest. I want him gone.

Most people on here know Owens isn't the only problem, but he is a big part of the overall problem in Dallas. Good luck throwing him 140-150 balls next year. Good luck throwing him 8-9 attempts per game. Have fun watching the NFC East cornerbacks shut him down twice next season. That is 6 games against the teams you have to beat, and it doesn't count the other teams that will limit him. Hey, go ahead, go 6-10. Let it blow up. Ruin it. Ruin Romo.

 

[5Countem5]

Have fun watching the NFC East cornerbacks shut him down twice next season. That is 6 games against the teams you have to beat, and it doesn't count the other teams that will limit him. Hey, go ahead, go 6-10. Let it blow up. Ruin it. Ruin Romo.

Exaggerate much?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

"If you're not getting the ball and you're losing, and you're a No. 1 receiver in this league, you're frustrated and want to get more involved,'' the source said. "That's the reality of things these days. When we were 13-3 [in '07], and T.O. was our leading receiver, everything was great. Then we go 9-7 and don't make the playoffs, and Jason Witten is our leading receiver and T.O.'s the problem? He's the cancer? C'mon now.

BLASPHEMY DON!!!!!

This is so freaking dead on.

I'm from Syracuse and have been a lifelong Orangemen fan. Carmelo Anthony came to the school and won them a National Championship. I had neighbors and friends who worked for the school, even a friend worked in the athletic department. Everybody at SU said that Anthony was a genuine joy to be around. A hard working player with a good attitude that would do whatever it takes to win.

About a year later he's on the USA Olympic team under Larry Brown who ripped into him and Lebron about their attitude as they sat on the bench.

One of the friends close to SU said that Anthony wasn't upset about his role if they were winning. But since they were losing and he was sitting the bench, that made him upset because he wanted to at least contribute in hopes of turning it around. And I believe that Lebron was thinking the same way as well.

A few years later under Coach K, Anthony wound up moving to the PF position which he never really plays so the team could adjust to the smaller international teams. Coach K raved about Anthony's attitude and how he did whatever was best with the team. I really don't believe Carmelo (and Lebron) changed his attitude, he just wanted to win and didn't want to be on the bench or playing out of position if they were losing.

Too often coaches complain that players don't want to do what is best for the team, but when the team is losing or not meeting expectations, the coach needs to adapt and not just expect the players to adapt to get the team back on the right track.




YAKUZA

 

[ddh33]

That was part of my point.

Some of those sources are very firmly entrenched in their own camps, regardless of any other evidence - or anything else.

That's what I hate. Somewhere along the lines, it has become a pro-TO or no-TO thing instead of being a Cowboys thing. You can't tell me that doesn't have ramifications in the locker room.

 

[28 Joker]

Exaggerate much?

Go back and watch Owens' big plays last year. They came when the cornerbacks played off and he got a free release, at times through a zone, or he lined up tight and was allowed a free release.

Is Jimmy Johnson, a two time Super Bowl winner in Dallas, an idiot or "hater"? Is Howie Long, a Hall of Fame player, stupid? No. the 49ers were stupid. They helped Owens pad his stats. They made him very happy when the week leading up to the game, he wasn't happy with "his use" in the offense, when he should have been happy after finally winning in Washington. A feat he would have already enjoyed if he didn't drop a TD right in his hands.

 

[Hostile]

And I agree with you 100%.

He does need to talk less.

So do a lot of Cowboys players.

And someone needs to grow a set and tell them that.

And someone needs to enforce it when they don't.

And someone needs to make sure everyone goes to meetings on time.

And the lack of that 'someone' is this team's real problem.

Stash, we've never been in more agreement. You can't shut up the posse, unless you shut up the Sheriff.

 

[5Countem5]

Go back and watch Owens' big plays last year. They came when the cornerbacks played off and he got a free release, at times through a zone, or he lined up tight and was allowed a free release.

Is Jimmy Johnson, a two time Super Bowl winner in Dallas, an idiot or "hater". Is Howie Long, a Hall of Fame player, stupid? No. the 49ers were stupid. They helped Owens pad his stats. They made him very happy when the week leading up to the game he wasn't happy with "his use" in the offense, when he should have been happy after finally winning in Washington. A feat he would have already enjoyed if he didn't drop a TD right in his hands.

I was talking about this little silly jewel...

"Hey, go ahead, go 6-10. Let it blow up. Ruin it. Ruin Romo."

 

[Rampage]

Stash, we've never been in more agreement. You can't shut up the posse, unless you shut up the Sheriff.

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[Stash]

Have fun watching the NFC East cornerbacks and safeties combine to shut him down twice next season. That is 6 games against the teams you have to beat, and it doesn't count the other teams that will limit him.

I fixed it for ya.

If you wanna talk about the 'formula' talk abou all of it, not just the part that fits the agenda.

 

[5Countem5]

Stash, we've never been in more agreement. You can't shut up the posse, unless you shut up the Sheriff.

He's been quieter than Romo. Right?

Than Witten. Right?

Than Ware. Right?

Than Roy. Right?

Than Crayton. Right?

Than Ratliff. Right?

Than several others. Right?

 

[Hostile]

I have to pretty strongly disagree regarding production.
You have to weight a guy's expected output or potential output.

And you do that with a larger sample than a single season.

It would be completely illogical to assume T.O. can only achieve what he did last year especially knowing he had 3 games of Brad Johnson at qb and another couple with Romo very banged up.

But in Owens case his numbers have been so high you could use his off 2007 and easily justify keeping him even if he is basically satan in the locker room.

I mean that production would have been a career year for guys who are really good like Terry Glenn. Glenn never had more than 7 TDs receiving and while he did did hit 1100 receiving yards he never got 1150 and couldn't ever surpass the difference in TDs. Joey Galloway who we paid a king's ransom for only had 3 seasons of 1000+ yards and double digit TDs. Rocket never did it and Mike Irvin only did it once.

I didn't say you don't put weight on someone's production, and I agree you place it upon expected production. When a guy is 35, will be 36 at the end of next season, and had a down season statistically except for one very good game that does not register on the positive side of the ledger in evaluating him.

Let's be very truthful here.

Less than 1100 yards receiving, 10 TDs and a $9 million price tag is less appealing than 900 yards receiving, 7 TDs and a $3 million price tag.

Owens in 2008 was not a Pro Bowl WR, and at 35 going on 36 the odds he will return to 2007 form are not good.

 

[Hostile]

He's been quieter than Romo. Right?

Than Witten. Right?

Than Ware. Right?

Than Roy. Right?

Than Crayton. Right?

Than Ratliff. Right?

Than several others. Right?

During the season when all of this actually matters?

Uh, no.

 

[28 Joker]

I fixed it for ya.

If you wanna talk about the 'formula' talk abou all of it, not just the part that fits the agenda.

Go argue with Jimmy Johnson. I'm not talking to you. I want Owens gone, because I like the Cowboys.

Way to misquote me.

If you want to beat a safety over the top, you have to get separation from a cornerback. Owens let good cornerbacks push him around and chase him like a shadow. The safety didn't have anything to do with it. He was just a "safety" whose job was easy.

If you can't accomlish job A, you can't accomplish part B or beat the safety.

1. Beat Corner
2. Beat Safety

What about your agenda?

 

[Stash]

Go argue with Jimmy Johnson. I'm not talking to you. I want Owens gone, because I like the Cowboys.

Way to misquote me.

If you want to beat a safety over the top, you have to get separation from a cornerback. Owens let good cornerbacks push him around and chase him like a shadow. The safety didn't have anything to do with it. He was just a "safety" whose job was easy.

If you can't accomlish job A, you can't accomplish part B or beat the safety.

1. Beat Corner
2. Beat Safety

What about your agenda?

Didn't know I had an agenda. Owens doesn't obsess me like he does you.

I didn't 'misquote' you. I merely added in the part of the 'formula' that you omitted in an attempt to further your agenda.

We all know what the Owens 'formula' is. Press cornerback play with a safety over the top. That's two guys covering one.

That means somebody's single covered and Romo needs to make that read and get them the football until teams are forced out of that coverage.

And if Owens goes, teams don't need to play that double-coverage anymore.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

2008 he did not put up HOF numbers though. You can't look at an entire career and weigh him on that. The most recent year is the only one that matters. 2007 doesn't even matter at this point.

The Cowboys need to weigh the positives and the negatives of every player. Weighing against TO right now are his salary, his age, his 2008 production, and his attitude. That is a lot on the negative side of the ledger.

He would have been in top 5 if Romo didnt get hurt. BJ at QB shouldnt count against him.

 

[LatinMind]

Less than 1100 yards receiving, 10 TDs and a $9 million price tag is less appealing than 900 yards receiving, 7 TDs and a $3 million price tag.

Owens in 2008 was not a Pro Bowl WR, and at 35 going on 36 the odds he will return to 2007 form are not good.

so dallas will be a better team without them 1100 yrds 10 td's? where is that production going to come from?

u say roy williams? thats fine, so lets say roy picks up some of that, whos going to pick up the rest of that, and replace the #2 production roy would have gotten? and so on. its a trickle down effect from releasing owens.

u say 1100 yrds 10 tds isnt worth 9 million. so minus 1100 10 tds from owens is worth 9.67 million?

i just think this team needs direction and all will be fine. i would say that owens was more vocal during but the 3 weeks of loses in 07 then this whole yr. difference was they were 11-3.

i think media and fans on cowboys forums make too much out of very little.

a msg from owens to all of u.

"get ur popcorn ready" lol