Owens forces Cowboys into internal struggle over WR's future in Dallas

[Rampage]

What's more incredible is how the Philly fans who wanted him gone have been proven correct with that Super Bowl dynasty they turned into once he left.

As someone else noted earlier this was almost a bunch of adults weighing in with actual relevant football analysis and respect for both sides of the discussion and not just whiny opinions dredging up old arguments....

well the guy loses a superbowl and starts blaming people in the media when he had no part in getting them there. wow kinda like what he was doing around here last season, passing the blame to qbs and the coaches.

 

[superpunk]

What's more incredible is how the Philly fans who wanted him gone have been proven correct with that Super Bowl dynasty they turned into once he left.

Philly has gotten closer to a super bowl without him than we've gotten with him.

I know that is a stupid thing to say, but it fits looking at your statement and the caliber of response that would be expected from it.

 

[5Countem5]

well the guy loses a superbowl and starts blaming people in the media when he had no part in getting them there. wow kinda like what he was doing around here last season, passing the blame to qbs and the coaches.

And you wanted Merriman over Ware...

 

[sonnyboy]

wasn't that incredible though? that heroic performance in the Superbowl after leading Philly through the playoffs and finally getting them over that NFC Championship game hump. Than healing in 2 weeks to help Philly win there 1st Superbowl and how respectful and unselfish was he to praise his quarterbacks heart and toughness and great play in that 1st Superbowl win for that franchise?

Just like the rest of his teammates were.

4 Ints, vomiting on the field, too winded to run a 2 min offense in the biggest game of his life.

The silence of that guys biggest supporters was deafening after that game.

What Owens gonna praise after that? Hey did you see how McNabb only upchucked lunch? Gotta love the way he keep down breakfast.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I disagree that it's a hard decision. The mere fact it's even being debated whether TO is worth all the trouble tells you all you need to know.

There's only one answer. TO's gotta go.

Can you imagine what next season will be like if he's still here and things get rocky early in the season? 2009 will go up in flames by the end of September.

 

[odog422]

I disagree that it's a hard decision. The mere fact it's even being debated whether TO is worth all the trouble tells you all you need to know.

There's only one answer. TO's gotta go.

Can you imagine what next season will be like if he's still here and things get rocky early in the season? 2009 will go up in flames by the end of September.

And that is the shoe that's going to be waiting to drop the whole season. After all this discussion and if he stays, just try to imagine the media frenzy if he doesn't produce, if the team is not doing well, etc.

Talk about distractions. And clearly there is no one on this staff to handle that backlash when it comes. Because it will.

 

[Rampage]

And you wanted Merriman over Ware...

don't really know what that has to do with anything.

 

[jterrell]

And that is the shoe that's going to be waiting to drop the whole season. After all this discussion and if he stays, just try to imagine the media frenzy if he doesn't produce, if the team is not doing well, etc.

Talk about distractions. And clearly there is no one on this staff to handle that backlash when it comes. Because it will.

Imagine if he is cut and we lose....

How will that backlash be?

Bottom line is and always will be go win the friggin games.

 

[LatinMind]

the problems dallas have, are nothing to do with 1 single player. it isnt the headlines. what a person says to a reporter are just words written in a newspaper,website.

the problems are, this teams plays stupidly, and the coaches dont know what direction they want the system to go. Are they a passing team? Running team? blitzing defense or a zone defense?

until they solve that it doesnt matter if they release, owens, romo, witten, ware whoever.

 

[adbutcher]

Imagine if he is cut and we lose....

How will that backlash be?

Bottom line is and always will be go win the friggin games.

Just noticed your sig, very true.

 

[jterrell]

Philly has gotten closer to a super bowl without him than we've gotten with him.

I know that is a stupid thing to say, but it fits looking at your statement and the caliber of response that would be expected from it.

touche'.

That's actually a good point in snarky threads which this is attempting to become since various posters joined.

 

[sonnyboy]

And that is the shoe that's going to be waiting to drop the whole season. After all this discussion and if he stays, just try to imagine the media frenzy if he doesn't produce, if the team is not doing well, etc.

Talk about distractions. And clearly there is no one on this staff to handle that backlash when it comes. Because it will.

It's tooooo much to even consider. Lets all just kill ourselves now and spare us the pain.

This is exactly to type of bull**** that pisses me off the most.

**** Werder, and **** ESPN. While were at it **** the media as a whole.

Let them ask their BS leading questions and twist every answer and sound bit to garner ratings.

This team can not let the media dictate personel dicisions.

 

[Stash]

And that is the shoe that's going to be waiting to drop the whole season. After all this discussion and if he stays, just try to imagine the media frenzy if he doesn't produce, if the team is not doing well, etc.

Talk about distractions. And clearly there is no one on this staff to handle that backlash when it comes. Because it will.

And that - that one sentence - is what is truly wrong with the Cowboys.

Not that Terrell Owens is a high-maintenance player who talks to much.

But the fact that this organization has nobody with the stones to deal with and discipline a player for acting up.

This team needs to have the guts to deal with Owens for this coming year, and the guts to stand up, discipline him, and send him packing if he won't obey the rules.

Because running away from something doesn't fix the issue.

 

[jterrell]

well the guy loses a superbowl and starts blaming people in the media when he had no part in getting them there. wow kinda like what he was doing around here last season, passing the blame to qbs and the coaches.

lol. Ok so he had no role in getting them there???

The guy had 1200 yards and scored 14 receiving TDs in 14 weeks. He was first team All Pro.

His biggest gripe was that McNabb sounded like you.

T.O. helped them build a regular season that allowed for a Bye Week and home field advantage throughout the playoffs then he wasn't there for two weeks in the playoffs so he had nothing to do with them getting there??

good grief.

The guy rehabbed like crazy comes back and played in a Super Bowl 4 weeks after a broken leg which is as fast any player has ever returned from that injury, puts up 9 catches for 122 yards receiving against New England and yet he wasn't vital to their success?

Should he have thrown McNabb under the bus? Absolutely not. Should McNabb have been pounding his chest about how the Eagles were winning with T.O.? Of course not. He wanted to get his own shine and credit. His ego caused him to act silly just as T.O.'s did.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And that - that one sentence - is what is truly wrong with the Cowboys.

Not that Terrell Owens is a high-maintenance player who talks to much.

But the fact that this organization has nobody with the stones to deal with and discipline a player for acting up.

This team needs to have the guts to deal with Owens for this coming year, and the guts to stand up, discipline him, and send him packing if he won't obey the rules.

Because running away from something doesn't fix the issue.

I totally agree with your first sentence.

I totally disagree with your second sentence.

 

[BAT]

You sure about that Hos.

I mean I give the whole tam some benefit of the doubt in this area. In looking forward to the 2009 Cowboys, I give the 2008 and 2007 seasons a fairly equal weighting.

A lot went wrong in 2008 and it effected the numbers of a lot of players.

EXACTLY!


2008 may have been a "down" year in Hostile's eyes, but for any other receiver it would have been a pro bowl year (over 1,000 yards double digit TDs and a top 5 ypc).


And Owens accomplished this even w/the dysfuntional offense, banged up OL & Witten, no help from Roy11, Johnson/Bollinger at QB for multiple games and an injured Tony Romo/MB3 at the end of the season.


What other offensive player on the team, forget another RECEIVER, PRODUCED even close to that???

 

[Rampage]

lol. Ok so he had no role in getting them there???

The guy had 1200 yards and scored 14 receiving TDs in 14 weeks. He was first team All Pro.

His biggest gripe was that McNabb sounded like you.

T.O. helped them build a regular season that allowed for a Bye Week and home field advantage throughout the playoffs then he wasn't there for two weeks in the playoffs so he had nothing to do with them getting there??

good grief.

The guy rehabbed like crazy comes back and played in a Super Bowl 4 weeks after a broken leg which is as fast any player has ever returned from that injury, puts up 9 catches for 122 yards receiving against New England and yet he wasn't vital to their success?

Should he have thrown McNabb under the bus? Absolutely not. Should McNabb have been pounding his chest about how the Eagles were winning with T.O.? Of course not. He wanted to get his own shine and credit. His ego caused him to act silly just as T.O.'s did.

they went to 3 straight nfc championship games before he got there. did he play in any of those playoff games to get them in the superbowl?

 

[Rampage]

EXACTLY!


2008 may have been a "down" year in Hostile's eyes, but for any other receiver it would have been a pro bowl year (over 1,000 yards double digit TDs and a top 5 ypc).


And Owens accomplished this even w/the dysfuntional offense, banged up OL & Witten, no help from Roy11, Johnson/Bollinger at QB for multiple games and an injured Tony Romo/MB3 at the end of the season.


What other offensive player on the team, forget another RECEIVER, PRODUCED even close to that???

what kind of year do you think he's gonna have next year if Roy Williams,Miles Austin,Marion Barber and Felix Jones are all healthy and more involved in the offense like they're expected to be?

 

[TNCowboy]

And that - that one sentence - is what is truly wrong with the Cowboys.

Not that Terrell Owens is a high-maintenance player who talks to much.

But the fact that this organization has nobody with the stones to deal with and discipline a player for acting up.

This team needs to have the guts to deal with Owens for this coming year, and the guts to stand up, discipline him, and send him packing if he won't obey the rules.

Because running away from something doesn't fix the issue.

That's also part of the problem. TO is the most accomplished player on the team. Many players - especially the younger ones - are more likely to look to him as the example of leadership.

Romo has to take leadership of the team if it's going anywhere. I just don't know if he can or not. I think his chances are much better if TO is gone. Frankly, I think Romo's exasperation with TO led to the collapse and the "I don't care" attitude he showed at the end of the season.

That's just my opinion. None of us is actually in the lockerroom, but we have multiple reports from various people, including this board's most prolific poster, that multiple people inside the organization want him gone. It's hardly this unthinkable no-brainer that he should be kept that some act as though it is.

There also shouldn't be a question about who the #1 WR is if TO is gone. They just gave a #1 & #3 for RW. He'd better be the #1. If he isn't, we've really messed in our own bed with that trade.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I will say the Cowboys problems is not all TO at all. Actually, getting rid of him will not solve those problems any faster than keeping him and working on other things like:

1. Garrett - if it was one person throwing him under the bus, then that would be one thing, but we are hearing several players AS WELL as more than one opponent saying his offense is easy to figure out and defend against. lack of improvision.

2. Wade - if this list was in order, this one would be at no. 1. Not much needs to be said due to the obvious reasons. Can anyone say "Soft"!

3. Jerry - I have been a big defender of his as GM, but if you claim a guy like T.O. with all his stats is a distraction and must be cut, then how do you not demand the same of Jerry? He brings alot to the sport of football and to this team, but it should be as owner, probably not GM.

4. Coaching - this and #2 may go hand in hand, but this team is poorly coached and much too relaxed. It shows in penalties, energy, and preparedness for each game.

Not to defend TO, but who do we have to replace him? Do we throw away next year?