Owens game = Irvin game

[RiggoForever]

Would you all say that Terrell Owens game is very similar to Michael Irvin with regards to their size and physical style of play?

 

[aznhalf]

I think Owens plays a little faster, but I liked Irvins hands better.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I think Owens plays a little faster, but I liked Irvins hands better.

Yep for sure. Irvin rarely used to drop the ball, especially during the Glory years or prime years. Owens penchant for dropping the ball is more prevalent, especially when he sees a big hit coming.

And Owens is definetly faster than Irvin, whether 40 times indicate that or not. Also think, Irvin played lot more physical than owens.

 

[Eddie]

A freakin' NO!!!

TO is a self centered MO-RON with his own agenda.

Irvin was flashy and flamboyant, but he was the consumate team player.

Putting them in the same sentence is a disgrace.

When TO breaks his back for a game turning first down, and then gets up for more ... then I'll have respect for him.

Until then, he's not a real Cowboy.

 

[aznhalf]

A freakin' NO!!!

TO is a self centered MO-RON with his own agenda.

Irvin was flashy and flamboyant, but he was the consumate team player.

Putting them in the same sentence is a disgrace.

When TO breaks his back for a game turning first down, and then gets up for more ... then I'll have respect for him.

Until then, he's not a real Cowboy.

The OP said size and physical style of play...nothing about how much you hate TO.

 

[AbeBeta]

Would you all say that Terrell Owens game is very similar to Michael Irvin with regards to their size and physical style of play?

No. Owens is more dominant. Primarilly because he has better speed than 88. It makes him more of a game breaker. The better comparison for 88 is Keyshawn.

They played in very different offensive schemes though -- Irvin was more toss, catch, get tackled. Owens has played in short toss, catch, run for YAC systems.

 

[WoodysGirl]

A freakin' NO!!!

TO is a self centered MO-RON with his own agenda.

Irvin was flashy and flamboyant, but he was the consumate team player.

Putting them in the same sentence is a disgrace.

When TO breaks his back for a game turning first down, and then gets up for more ... then I'll have respect for him.

Until then, he's not a real Cowboy.

So if he makes a big catch in Game 1 for a 1st down after taking a big hit, then he'll be a real Cowboy? Just curious...

And I think someone else already mentioned this, but I think he was talking style of play, not as a rep for the 'boys.

 

[RCowboyFan]

No. Owens is more dominant. Primarilly because he has better speed than 88. It makes him more of a game breaker. The better comparison for 88 is Keyshawn.

They played in very different offensive schemes though -- Irvin was more toss, catch, get tackled. Owens has played in short toss, catch, run for YAC systems.

No he isn't. At his Prime Irvin was as dominating if not more. Sure Owens has more speed, but Irvin demanded the same attention Owens requires now. Its just with current rules, DBs cannot be as physical as they used to be when Irvin was in prime, hence his speed enhances his playmaking ability.

Besides, I never can put Owens in the same category as Irvin in the fighting for the ball department or taking a big hit. In that way, Irvin and Key are same, but Key didn't have even the speed of Irvin. Key is realy very poor man's version or Irvin, IMO.

 

[Eddie]

So if he makes a big catch in Game 1 for a 1st down after taking a big hit, then he'll be a real Cowboy? Just curious...

And I think someone else already mentioned this, but I think he was talking style of play, not as a rep for the 'boys.

No ... if he gives up his body to make a critical game turning first down and then gets up for more, then I will have more respect for him.

I am also talking about style. His style is NOT of a team player. He's a me-first selfish individual. That's his style.

Michael's style was the team came first ...

How's that for style???

 

[k19]

A freakin' NO!!!

TO is a self centered MO-RON with his own agenda.

Irvin was flashy and flamboyant, but he was the consumate team player.

Putting them in the same sentence is a disgrace.

When TO breaks his back for a game turning first down, and then gets up for more ... then I'll have respect for him.

Until then, he's not a real Cowboy.

Eddie your holding back again, tell us how you REALLY feel

Seriously though I think Owens has the spread the field capability that "The Playmaker" never had. Ownes can beat you deep AND take one over the middle

 

[superpunk]

How's that for style???

No.

How's THIS for style?

 

[RCowboyFan]

No.

How's THIS for style?

:laugh1:

 

[RiggoForever]

I remember in 1991 Irvin seemed to come out of nowhere after not being a serious threat his first few seasons. It was like he just went from a nothing to an All-Pro in one season.

 

[Eddie]

I'll hold my breath on TO until the season starts. I will root for him, and hope he benefits the team.

I wasn't sold on Keyshawn, but he turned out to be a solid team player.

NY Jet fans still hate him, but he won me over.

As for TO, I'll let the sins of the past sit for now, but until he proves it, he's not a real Cowboy.

 

[aznhalf]

No ... if he gives up his body to make a critical game turning first down and then gets up for more, then I will have more respect for him.

I am also talking about style. His style is NOT of a team player. He's a me-first selfish individual. That's his style.

Michael's style was the team came first ...

How's that for style???

He said 'physical' style of play

Even if Owens put up 200 yards on two broken legs and no hands I still think that you wouldn't like him

 

[AbeBeta]

No he isn't. At his Prime Irvin was as dominating if not more. Sure Owens has more speed, but Irvin demanded the same attention Owens requires now. Its just with current rules, DBs cannot be as physical as they used to be when Irvin was in prime, hence his speed enhances his playmaking ability.

Current rules? Irvin had the advantage of playing at a time when those rules seemed to benefit him as well -- he pushed off with the best of them. Under the current rules, 88 might have seen far more offensive PI calls.

We could argue about the level of comparison for days -- I could say that TO didn't have the type of supporting cast that 88 had and I'd be right -- he never had an all-world back to attract attention, he had to play with Jeff Garcia as his QB for 5 years (give him Steve Young for those 5 years and how would he look?), and for the first 4 years of his career he was not getting a ton of throws his way because he played next to the best WR in the history of the game.

Ultimately, though my argument comes down to the "in his prime" issue -- MI was great in his prime. To me, TO looks to still have a few prime years left.

 

[AbeBeta]

I am also talking about style. His style is NOT of a team player. He's a me-first selfish individual. That's his style.

Michael's style was the team came first ...

How's that for style???

Like playing in the Superbowl with a broken leg? That seemed pretty selfish to me.

I hate to defend TO but some of you have so little objectivity that I feel I have to.

 

[RiggoForever]

Current rules? Irvin had the advantage of playing at a time when those rules seemed to benefit him as well -- he pushed off with the best of them. Under the current rules, 88 might have seen far more offensive PI calls.

We could argue about the level of comparison for days -- I could say that TO didn't have the type of supporting cast that 88 had and I'd be right -- he never had an all-world back to attract attention, he had to play with Jeff Garcia as his QB for 5 years (give him Steve Young for those 5 years and how would he look?), and for the first 4 years of his career he was not getting a ton of throws his way because he played next to the best WR in the history of the game.

Ultimately, though my argument comes down to the "in his prime" issue -- MI was great in his prime. To me, TO looks to still have a few prime years left.

Alvin Harper was also a serious threat at #2 for a number of the years Irvin put up big numbers.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Current rules? Irvin had the advantage of playing at a time when those rules seemed to benefit him as well -- he pushed off with the best of them. Under the current rules, 88 might have seen far more offensive PI calls.

We could argue about the level of comparison for days -- I could say that TO didn't have the type of supporting cast that 88 had and I'd be right -- he never had an all-world back to attract attention, he had to play with Jeff Garcia as his QB for 5 years (give him Steve Young for those 5 years and how would he look?), and for the first 4 years of his career he was not getting a ton of throws his way because he played next to the best WR in the history of the game.

Ultimately, though my argument comes down to the "in his prime" issue -- MI was great in his prime. To me, TO looks to still have a few prime years left.

Ok, in that point I do agree. TO is more dominant now than Irvin was at the same age.

 

[jazzcat22]

I remember in 1991 Irvin seemed to come out of nowhere after not being a serious threat his first few seasons. It was like he just went from a nothing to an All-Pro in one season.

Still recovering from an ACL in 1990. So yes, that following year when completely heathy, was a break out year. Plus Aikman was starting to get better protection, Emmitt starting to get more in his ryhthm. The whole team was coming together.