Owens says trade is a possibility?

[Mike 1967]

Sure....T.O. is an extremely talented receiver that can help his team when he is on the field.

Sure....T.O. could bring added firepower to the Cowboys offense.

Sure....the addition of T.O. could equate to more success by the Cowboys.

But.....

He could also be a poison that could bring the team down.

He did seem to help the Iggles last year. (they did finally get to a SB....and lost)

But.... how much is he helping the team this year ?

Some would argue that he is pulling the iggles down this year.

- creating dissension
- distraction
- tying up a roster spot
- tying up cap space
- The team has to have a plan "B" in case he does hold out

And if he does come back......don't you think that there is a very good possibility that he will be even a greater distraction for this team ?

I say let's wait and see how this year pans out for the Iggles before we start making claims about T.O. being a great addition for any team (much less the Cowboys)

T.O. could very well be the most gifted player to play WR in the history of the NFL. But.....this is a team sport.

 

[50cent]

And if that one didn't kill your arguement, this one damn sure will! Stop being lazy and just search for your points, if your going to try to make one Kangaroo!


Jones gives record deal to Emmitt
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By DENNE H. FREEMAN
AP Sports Writer

IRVING, Texas - Jerry Jones finally got it right.
It took three contract negotiations with Emmitt Smith before the Dallas
Cowboys owner realized he couldn't negotiate with his star running back
like it was an oil and gas deal.

Smith, twice involved in bitter contract disputes with Jones, got an
eight-year contract worth $48 million including an NFL-record $15
million bonus Monday.
``I learned from the last two times,'' Jones said. ``I made some
mistakes. And I learned from them.''

Smith refused to come to the Cowboys training camp his rookie year until
Jones settled just before the first game of the regular season. Smith
missed the first two games of the 1993 season, which the Cowboys lost,
before Jones realized he had miscalculated his running back's resolve
and quickly settled.
``No deal is ever easy,'' Smith said. ``Things went wrong the first two
times. Egos got involved. But Jerry did the right thing this time.

``I didn't want the whole elephant. I wanted to leave room for Jerry to
bring in other players.''

Jones wouldn't say how he manipulated the salary cap dollars to make the
deal. But he said the NFL would give it a green light.

``I think the NFL will be excited about it,'' Jones said.

Jones will get about a $500,000 rebate from the NFL on the salaries of
suspended Michael Irvin and Shante Carver. Smith will count about $3
million against the salary cap this year.

``This is going to cost us so much I may have to stop construction on my
house,'' Jones quipped.

Jones has been paying big bucks for his star players.

Quarterback Troy Aikman signed an eight-year deal worth $50 million,
which included an $11 million bonus. Deion Sanders signed a seven-year
contract worth a total $35 million, including a bonus of $12.999 million
last September.

Smith had challenged Jones to ``do the right thing.''

``Jerry did the right thing,'' Smith said. ``All of his words became
reality today. I had a lot of faith in Jerry.''

Smith has been the NFL's leading rusher four times and has been the NFL
MVP and a Super Bowl MVP.

``We're happy Emmitt is going to be with the Cowboys as long as he plays
the game of football,'' Jones said.

``I believe if you start something you finish it,'' Smith said. ``I
played all my football at one high school, at one college (Florida), and
I wanted to play all my professional football for the Dallas Cowboys.''

Smith's new agent, Eugene Parker, met secretly with Jones and his son,
Stephen.

``I didn't want anything to leak out,'' Smith said. ``And that was hard
for me to do because it's hard for me to shut my mouth.''

Said Coach Barry Switzer: ``Emmitt Smith will be one of the greatest
players to ever play the game. I'm damn happy.''

``Will you play tonight?'' a smiling Switzer asked Smith about the New
England preseason game.

``No,'' said a smiling Smith, who usually doesn't play until the last
two preseason games.

Smith, who was in the final year of his old contract, has rushed for
8,956 yards in just six seasons.
Asked if he can last the duration of his contract, Smith said, ``It's
going to be a test to see how I feel in another eight years. I think I
still have a lot of run left in me.''


Some of yall continue to dig a hole deeper and deeper, and I don't think you can get out of this one.

 

[50cent]

Sure....T.O. is an extremely talented receiver that can help his team when he is on the field.

Sure....T.O. could bring added firepower to the Cowboys offense.

Sure....the addition of T.O. could equate to more success by the Cowboys.

But.....

He could also be a poison that could bring the team down.

He did seem to help the Iggles last year. (they did finally get to a SB....and lost)

But.... how much is he helping the team this year ?

Some would argue that he is pulling the iggles down this year.

- creating dissension
- distraction
- tying up a roster spot
- tying up cap space
- The team has to have a plan "B" in case he does hold out

And if he does come back......don't you think that there is a very good possibility that he will be even a greater distraction for this team ?

I say let's wait and see how this year pans out for the Iggles before we start making claims about T.O. being a great addition for any team (much less the Cowboys)

T.O. could very well be the most gifted player to play WR in the history of the NFL. But.....this is a team sport.

Proof is in the puddin. TO came in and did wonders for the Eagles. Nobody said he would be coming here, I jut simply stated that he seems to play with the passion BP likes in a player and I wouldn't mind his talent here in Cowboy land. I don't think it will happen, but for someone to say he isn't this or that is just lying to themselves. Give it up Fletch, fish, and roo. Your all guilty of something, because you fight to hard against it, when you used to cheer for it!

 

[Mike 1967]

Proof is in the puddin. TO came in and did wonders for the Eagles. Nobody said he would be coming here, I jut simply stated that he seems to play with the passion BP likes in a player and I wouldn't mind his talent here in Cowboy land. I don't think it will happen, but for someone to say he isn't this or that is just lying to themselves. Give it up Fletch, fish, and roo. Your all guilty of something, because you fight to hard against it, when you used to cheer for it!

Yep...proof is in the puddin. And the puddin is about to be served up for the 2005 season. Let's see how it plays out.

If the current situation in iggles land continue's down the existing path...then in my opinion the move to acquire TO was not a good one last year. I could see paying the price if they had won the SB...but they didn't.

I wouldn't mind his talent either. But.....he has proven to be a locker room cancer.

Bryant played with a lot of "passion" also. And he was arguably the most talented receiver on our roster. But....he is not here anymore.

And I would submit that the reasons he is not here are the exact same reasons why TO will never be here (at least while Tuna is HC).

 

[Mike 1967]

Proof is in the puddin. TO came in and did wonders for the Eagles. Nobody said he would be coming here, I jut simply stated that he seems to play with the passion BP likes in a player and I wouldn't mind his talent here in Cowboy land. I don't think it will happen, but for someone to say he isn't this or that is just lying to themselves. Give it up Fletch, fish, and roo. Your all guilty of something, because you fight to hard against it, when you used to cheer for it!

I have not followed all of the argument on the TO vs Key topic.

But I can't count the number of times I have heard Parcells praise Key for his blocking skill and effort on running plays. This is one of the main selling points that Parcells was preaching when he first let it out that he was pursuing Key. It is also well known that Parcells expects his WR's to block on running downs. This is a requirement.

I could be wrong....but I seriously question whether or not TO would fit that bill. TO appears to me to be the type of player that has to be directly involved (catches and TD's) in order to have his head in the game.

That was one of the main issue's with Bryant. His head was not in the game if he was not getting the ball. He would not finish his routes...and his blocking was subpar.

I could be wrong on TO on the blocking. But I don't think so.

 

[1fisher]

Yet you still cheered for him after each catch and each game. Did you scream, get rid of that ingrate? Nope. Get real, dude your just kidding yourself !

were you peeking in my window to see if I was cheering.....I don't think so!!

You need to get real!

 

[Scotman]

Fifty,

I'm not certain why only a few are comprehending what you're trying to say. I read all of your posts, and I keep hearing you try to convey that T.O. is a valuable commodity to any franchise with a strong Coach like BP. That's just a fact!

What complicates this matter for most here is T.O.'s "post" touchdown antics (specifically the Cowboy's Star). T.O. could care less about the "Star," the Eagle, or any other franchise's logo. His objective was non-personal -- after scoring points, he wants to get into both the opponent's, and the crowd's head so he and his team (whatever team He's On at that Time), can score more touchdowns. If dancing on the star fits that objective ...whatever! No one said opponent fans can't dislike His antics -- they've already expressed their distain. However, most are not looking at this 4 or 5 time pro-bowler from an objective perspective. I can empathize. For example, when Roy Williams whipped Out one of his "horsecollar" special tackles and injured T.O. right before the playoffs/Superbowl, Eagle fans everywhere were furious! But for those of you who have the cojones to venture into the Eagles MB, you'd Know that most (except haters and trolls); including myself, felt that Roy's hit was clean. In fact, IMHO, Roy is one of the better players in the NFL -- you couldn't change that no matter how you feel about Roy or T.O.!

Alright, so let me leave you with this thought before I pack my bags to go check out what the Kansas City Chiefs are doing ...T.O. is a threat to the Cowboys, or any other opponent team -- that's if you're smart! If he stays and plays with the Eagles, he'll hurt you. That's probabLy a reason to hate Him right now. But I see Fifty saying that if T.O. ever makes it to the shores of the Dallas (figuratively speaking), he'll reek havoc on any team out there; like him or not!

I can't say for sure whether he'll play with the Eagles in 2005; but I honestly believe he'll have that press conference to announce a resolution to this mess and make another bid for the Superbowl wearing an Eagles uniform; like it or not!

Excellent post.

For me, it all goes back to the Star. He just can't be a member of the Boys. But your post hit the nail on the head for everything else.

 

[50cent]

Emmitt was not under contract when he held out.

Its okay for women and children to be reckless, but not a man. To just come out of nowhere with such a reckless statement and no proff is unforgivable. I'll never take any of your arguments serious again. Reckless, just reckless. Try doing some research before you stick a big damn shoe in your mouth next time.

 

[50cent]

I have not followed all of the argument on the TO vs Key topic.

But I can't count the number of times I have heard Parcells praise Key for his blocking skill and effort on running plays. This is one of the main selling points that Parcells was preaching when he first let it out that he was pursuing Key. It is also well known that Parcells expects his WR's to block on running downs. This is a requirement.

I could be wrong....but I seriously question whether or not TO would fit that bill. TO appears to me to be the type of player that has to be directly involved (catches and TD's) in order to have his head in the game.

That was one of the main issue's with Bryant. His head was not in the game if he was not getting the ball. He would not finish his routes...and his blocking was subpar.

I could be wrong on TO on the blocking. But I don't think so.

Just look at the overtime SF game vs Jets back in 2001 I believe. TO is all the way down the field blocking for Hearst. That was TOs claim to fame his first couple of years in SF under Mooch. Mooch praised his blocking ability in the run games

 

[Mike 1967]

I also don't think that comparing Emmitt to TO is a good analogy to use in support of the argument that TO is a "Parcells Player".

I would argue that Emmitt is a prime example of exactly why TO is not a Parcells player.

If Parcells has shown us anything it is that he runs the team. He does not allow a few premier players to run the team.

I believe that this is the reason why Emmitt was not on the Team during Parcells 1st year as head coach.

Emmitt held a lot of sway over the organization in his last years with Dallas. It was basically his team towards the end.

It would have been difficult for Parcells to take the reigns if Emmitt was still in the locker room. This is also why I believe that Larry Allen was so unhappy during the first couple of years. Tuna was not going to put up with his crap. He either had to get on board or get off the bus.

IMO, TO is the type of player that would bring a lot of the same issue's into the locker room that Emmitt brought during the last couple years of his career.

I also believed that it was a good thing that we cut the string on Emmitt during Parcells first year. We needed to move on. We needed to have a coach that was actually in control (we had not had one of those since Jimmy left). And Parcells would not have had control if Emmitt were still in the locker room....unless Emmitt understood that Parcells was the man.

If you want an example of the type of team that Parcells covets then I would point to the Patriots. Bilichek is a disciple of Parcells. There are a lot of similarities in the way these two guys approach the game.

And you don't see a lot of TO's on the Patriots. Remember when everyone made a big deal about the incident several years back when the Pat's offense come out as a Team..and not individually ? Bilichek has sounded like a broken record over the last 3-4 years in his comments about the Pats success being a "Team effort".

TO may be a Parcells player as it relates to his work ethic and skill level. But TO does not fit the mold that would ultimately be required to play under Parcells.

 

[50cent]

were you peeking in my window to see if I was cheering.....I don't think so!!

You need to get real!

Your dead, your debate fell through like water on tissue! Go to bed and take a nap, youngster!

 

[Mike 1967]

Just look at the overtime SF game vs Jets back in 2001 I believe. TO is all the way down the field blocking for Hearst. That was TOs claim to fame his first couple of years in SF under Mooch. Mooch praised his blocking ability in the run games

Nice point...but....

One brick does not make a house. It is just something that can cause you to stumble.

 

[50cent]

No because Emmitt did not have a contract when he held out !

Oh I guess you just opened mouth and inserted the biggest dam shoe you ever had.

If Walker and TO did not have a contract so be it.

Emmitt was not under contract and there was no FA so guess what two different situations and nothing to do with each other.

Guys that get franchised but do not sign the agreement and hold out are fine they do not have a legal binding contract and have not come to terms with each other.

Your dead too, you and fish are the weakest link, good bye! try reading the article I posted above, that just completely shut you, fish and fletch down.

 

[50cent]

Nice point...but....

One brick does not make a house. It is just something that can cause you to stumble.

You and I are on the same page. I totally agree with everything you have said so far. Although, remember Moochs statements about TO blocking ability and seeing him cry after the GB catch. Only shows me that this kid does care, but he only wants whats right as far as his market value. Yeah he does cry for the ball alot, but boy does he do wonders when he gets it. How different is that from what we have seen in Irvin. Not much in my opioion. To be made at TO about the Star thing, is fine. although to condemn him as a talented football player that doesn't make his team better, is outright false.

 

[Mike 1967]

You and I are on the same page. I totally agree with everything you have said so far. Although, remember Moochs statements about TO blocking ability and seeing him cry after the GB catch. Only shows me that this kid does care, but he only wants whats right as far as his market value. Yeah he does cry for the ball alot, but boy does he do wonders when he gets it. How different is that from what we have seen in Irvin. Not much in my opioion. To be made at TO about the Star thing, is fine. although to condemn him as a talented football player that doesn't make his team better, is outright false.

I have to be honest in saying that I am heavily biased in this argument.

In my instance he is guilty until proven innocent. So the evidence has to be very heavily weighted in his favor before I could even begin to change my position.

The Star incident burns in my memory. Almost as much as the iggles fans cheering when it appeared that Irvin had a broken neck.

And as much as I despise the iggles.....I am actually developing some respect for that organization in the way that they are handling the TO situation. I respect the fact that they are not bowing down to him. And I don't believe that they are going to bow down.

I believe that TO may be the 2nd most talented player behind Moss. But quite honestly I would not want either one of them on my team. And history has shown that you can win SB's without either of these players on your roster. (Neither one of them has won the big game)

Perhaps TO is a victim of his own success. Perhaps his ego has grown from years of success.

And ultimately, who am I to judge ? Who's to sat that I would not be an egomaniac if I were in his shoe's ?

I remember people slamming Irvin for hanging out with prostitutes and snorting coke. But you would find some of these same people doing lines on the weekend with thier friends.

I mean honestly......how many could honestly tell themselves that if they were in the same shoes as Irvin (Lots of fame, lots of money, women falling down at your feet) that you would not fall victim to the same vices ?

So while I despise TO....I also have to be honest enough to admit that he may simply be a creation of the circumstance called the National Football League.

 

[50cent]

I have to be honest in saying that I am heavily biased in this argument.

In my instance he is guilty until proven innocent. So the evidence has to be very heavily weighted in his favor before I could even begin to change my position.

The Star incident burns in my memory. Almost as much as the iggles fans cheering when it appeared that Irvin had a broken neck.

And as much as I despise the iggles.....I am actually developing some respect for that organization in the way that they are handling the TO situation. I respect the fact that they are not bowing down to him. And I don't believe that they are going to bow down.

I believe that TO may be the 2nd most talented player behind Moss. But quite honestly I would not want either one of them on my team. And history has shown that you can win SB's without either of these players on your roster. (Neither one of them has won the big game)

Perhaps TO is a victim of his own success. Perhaps his ego has grown from years of success.

And ultimately, who am I to judge ? Who's to sat that I would not be an egomaniac if I were in his shoe's ?

I remember people slamming Irvin for hanging out with prostitutes and snorting coke. But you would find some of these same people doing lines on the weekend with thier friends.

I mean honestly......how many could honestly tell themselves that if they were in the same shoes as Irvin (Lots of fame, lots of money, women falling down at your feet) that you would not fall victim to the same vices ?

So while I despise TO....I also have to be honest enough to admit that he may simply be a creation of the circumstance called the National Football League.

Great post! We can never know how it is to be in their shoes! Although I still feel like Fletch, Kangaroo, and Fish are flat out liars in their opinion of TO and comparing him to our former stars. You have at least made a convincing argument in your defense. I respect that!

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I hope they trade him to San Fransico for a couple of cleats and an air pump.

 

[1fisher]

Great post! We can never know how it is to be in their shoes! Although I still feel like Fletch, Kangaroo, and Fish are flat out liars in their opinion of TO and comparing him to our former stars. You have at least made a convincing argument in your defense. I respect that!

Read all my posts again.....I didn't compare him to "Our" former stars...I think that was you..... My contention was that I didn't approve of what Irvin did neither do I approve of TO and his self supporting agenda....

After reading your previous post it's apparent that as long as someone agrees with you then all is right with the world.....go figure....

 

[Kangaroo]

As for this whole Emmitt stuff, he was in the last year of his contract coming off a SB. The cowboys started off 0-2, when JJ decided to come off his *** to get the deal done. If Emmitt had been a FA, ever team and there mother would have been trying to sign him. Get you facts straight, before you inject your 2 cents in our convo, which is still 48 cents short of being welcome.

He was not under any binding contract period. Free agency as it is structure today did not exist. The cowboys owned his rights and no team could take him away for any amoutn of money. See you opened your mouth inserted foot again the only FA was plan B and he was not a plan B free agent. His contracted expired and he was without a contract. I never said Emmit was a free agent you made an assumption.

 

[dougonthebench]

I thought this was a Dallas site.Who cares about T.O.!