Packers Cheerleader responds to cyber-bullying

Blitzen32

Active Member
Messages
217
Reaction score
36
Completely agree with the facebook admins. This is NOT cyberbullying. It's unfortunate that she's using such a serious issue as a ploy to selfishly get a bad image of her removed.

I don't condone the crude remarks, but it's a football fan page, and she chose to represent the team publicly (whether as a volunteer or not is besides the point), so she opened herself to this type of scrutiny from rival fans. She's more of a victim of her own narcissism and ego than any form of cyber bullying.

Sure, I'd HATE if my loved ones were being called ugly (in multiple ways) on some fan page, but I'd know to just ignore it, especially if they were public figures in a situation like this. I'm sure the families of politicians, actresses, female athletes, etc. hear much worse directly aimed at their loved ones, and they have no choice but to ignore it.

Yesterday, ******** took the worst photo of Beyonce ever, and turned it into a public photoshop contest to see who can make the most fun of it. Obviously Jay-z wouldn't be happy about something like that. It's actually much much worse than this bc in this cheerleader case, no one is directly attacking the girl by name or going on a witch hunt to ruin her life. We don't even know her name.

She could easily just NOT click on the fan page for a team that she has zero association with, and none of this would effect her. That's far far different from what actual victims of cyber bullying have to deal with on the internet.
 

Yakuza Rich

Well-Known Member
Messages
18,043
Reaction score
12,385
It didn't look like it to me. I believe that is if they are saying that, I just didn't see a real resemblance. Honestly, it looked like the photo was shot in the 1970's.

Still, people are entitled to their opinion. If they think she's ugly, then that's their opinion. People are going to say and do a lot worse to you in life.

And I know what cyber bullying is. This ain't it.







YR
 

speedkilz88

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,061
Reaction score
23,235
Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites.

Examples of cyberbullying include mean text messages or emails, rumors sent by email or posted on social networking sites, and embarrassing pictures, videos, websites, or fake profiles.
http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/index.html


Legal definition
Cyberbullying is defined in legal glossaries as
actions that use information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm another or others.
use of communication technologies for the intention of harming another person
use of internet service and mobile technologies such as web pages and discussion groups as well as instant messaging or SMS text messaging with the intention of harming another person.
Examples of what constitutes cyberbullying include communications that seek to intimidate, control, manipulate, put down, falsely discredit, or humiliate the recipient. The actions are deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior intended to harm another. Cyberbullying has been defined by The National Crime Prevention Council: “When the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person."[1][2]
A cyberbully may be a person whom the target knows or an online stranger. A cyberbully may be anonymous and may solicit involvement of other people online who do not even know the target. This is known as a 'digital pile-on.'[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying
 

Blitzen32

Active Member
Messages
217
Reaction score
36
speedkilz88;4996379 said:

"Embarrassing pictures" doesn't apply here.

This is a picture that only she is embarrassed by now because all the mean Bears fans called her (and the group of cheerleaders in general) ugly after seeing it. It's not some photo that was altered in any fashion to purposely bully her directly.

She was more than happy with the fans who had nice things to say about her. That's called ego. Not bullying.
 

speedkilz88

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,061
Reaction score
23,235
Blitzen32;4996385 said:
"Embarrassing pictures" doesn't apply here.

This is a picture that only she is embarrassed by now because all the mean Bears fans called her (and the group of cheerleaders in general) ugly after seeing it. It's not some photo that was altered in any fashion to purposely bully her directly.

She was more than happy with the fans who had nice things to say about her. That's called ego. Not bullying.
Posting a photo that people gang up and call ugly is indeed the definition of cyberbullying. That you can argue that fact is disturbing.
 

Blitzen32

Active Member
Messages
217
Reaction score
36
You obviously have had no clue what cyber bullying is then.

Nobody is directly attacking this girl. She can go about her daily life without any sort of complications if she chooses to. That includes being able to check her twitter and facebook. No one even knows her name.

Facebook (a public corp with lawyers who specialize in this) agreed that it's not cyber bullying, so I'll take that educated fact over what you're copy/pasting from whatever website you just googled to support a flawed opinion.
 

speedkilz88

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,061
Reaction score
23,235
Blitzen32;4996402 said:
You obviously have had no clue what cyber bullying is then.

Nobody is directly attacking this girl. She can go about her daily life without any sort of complications if she chooses to. That includes being able to check her twitter and facebook. No one even knows her name.

Facebook (a public corp with lawyers who specialize in this) agreed that it's not cyber bullying, so I'll take that educated fact over what you're copy/pasting from whatever website you just googled to support a flawed opinion.
That's same thing could be said of girls who were attacked on facebook in the same way, unfortunately some of those girls have committed suicide. When you make fun of someone and they find out about it hurts them. That is bullying!
 

Denim Chicken

Well-Known Member
Messages
15,719
Reaction score
24,741
If you can't handle criticism, warranted or not, stay out of the public sphere and don't post your stuff online. IMO, that the trade-off for celebratory.
 

Blitzen32

Active Member
Messages
217
Reaction score
36
speedkilz88;4996405 said:
That's same thing could be said of girls who were attacked on facebook in the same way, unfortunately some of those girls have committed suicide. When you make fun of someone and they find out about it hurts them. That is bullying!

Dude, I know about those girls, and that's why I'm trying to explain that this is VERY different.

Those girls don't stick their heads out SEEKING attention, and go out of the way to be in the spotlight (like a cheerleader for a freakin NFL team).

The best part of this little video is how she was praising all the people who called her cute. She's got no problem with the celebrity status of being a cheerleader, and definitely no problem reading through anything positive about her picture. It just hurt her feelings when everyone didn't have that opinion.

HUGE difference between this and cyber bullying.
 

MonsterD

Quota outta absentia
Messages
8,195
Reaction score
5,987
Denim Chicken;4996407 said:
If you can't handle criticism, warranted or not, stay out of the public sphere and don't post your stuff online. IMO, that the trade-off for celebratory.

I don't think she was trying to be a celebrity per se. She didn't go into this expecting to get this type of attention good or bad.

I agree with you though for big celebrities that are so offended by paparazzi and the rest of their lives having to deal with the public, they need to accept that is part of their career.
 

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,470
Reaction score
311
Hoofbite;4996181 said:
These videos where people sit there and hold up sheet after sheet of paper are really starting to wear out their welcome. I've seen more than enough to lose patience in them at this point.
I'm disappointed a number of you with callous responses.

Maybe the Packer's cheerleader's video is a poor copy to what Amanda Todd did.

Realize many of you react before you know WTH is really going on so I'll thumbnail it.
  • Amanda, a teen in BC, Canada gets on social media
  • Some creepy guy (who is currently under arrest for preying on another teen girl) entices her to sext
  • Amanda falls for it
  • Creepy guy turns from 'friend' to nightmare by publizing sexting photos of Amanda
  • Amanda's parents move a couple of towns because school kids make it unbearable for her
  • She gets treatment for depression, make a video
  • Last year, she took her own life....think she was just 14.

....the the response of some here is ****TOUGH LUCK****

Some of the same people that might hate on Ben Roethlisberger, Jerry Sandusky...this creep in BC drove a teen to take her life!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

The credibility of some here took a plunge - you rant about stuff you either don't really know or worse don't care.

Oh the internet is so wonderful as it enables people to anonymously say things that elsewhere would get them beat to a pulp or arrested - even in an anything goes Northern European country.

Sports vitrol is one thing but contempt at victims of trollers making their life a living Hell even to the point of sucide...do you have enough sense to be ashamed of yourselfs? Probably not. :(

Maybe I should spend less time here.


[youtube]NyRtOMOhh5g[/youtube]
 

Blitzen32

Active Member
Messages
217
Reaction score
36
BringBackThatOleTimeBoys;4996429 said:
I'm disappointed a number of you with callous responses.

Maybe the Packer's cheerleader's video is a poor copy to what Amanda Todd did.

Realize many of you react before you know WTH is really going on so I'll thumbnail it.
  • Amanda, a teen in BC, Canada gets on social media
  • Some creepy guy (who is currently under arrest for preying on another teen girl) entices her to sext
  • Amanda falls for it
  • Creepy guy turns from 'friend' to nightmare by publizing sexting photos of Amanda
  • Amanda's parents move a couple of towns because school kids make it unbearable for her
  • She gets treatment for depression, make a video
  • Last year, she took her own life....think she was just 14.

....the the response of some here is ****TOUGH LUCK****

Some of the same people that might hate on Ben Roethlisberger, Jerry Sandusky...this creep in BC drove a teen to take her life!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

The credibility of some here took a plunge - you rant about stuff you either don't really know or worse don't care.

Oh the internet is so wonderful as it enables people to anonymously say things that elsewhere would get them beat to a pulp or arrested - even in an anything goes Northern European country.

Sports vitrol is one thing but contempt at victims of trollers making their life a living Hell even to the point of sucide...do you have enough sense to be ashamed of yourselfs? Probably not. :(

Maybe I should spend less time here.


[youtube]NyRtOMOhh5g[/youtube]


Ok, tell me the name of the cheeleader in OP's video.

If you want to cluelessly compare this to Amanda Todd (a person who was directly victimized multiple times, in multiple ways), then get your facts straight.

No one here is condoning the Amanda Todd story. That was true bullying in many forms. You might not understand the difference, but don't be so quick to judge others who actually do.
 

ScipioCowboy

More than meets the eye.
Messages
25,341
Reaction score
17,701
This does seem to fall under the definition of cyber bullying. It's certainly not as severe as Amanda Todd's case, but it's cyber bullying nonetheless.

Here's an idea: Let's all just be decent human beings.
 

VietCowboy

Be Realistic. Demand the Impossible.
Messages
2,966
Reaction score
54
I have a feeling a lot of people posting in this thread would have told their child who was complaining about other student in the class teasing them to quite their whining or STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Most kids do get through life with bullying, but it is still bullying regardless of the degree of inflicted harm on the victim.

Bullying, of any kind, is an act intended to threaten, coerce, or inflict harm. Insulting someone, particularly if it was repeatedly like in this situation across perpetrators. Just read many website's definition of bullying and you'll see this fits in.

Bullying is persistent unwelcome behaviour, mostly using unwarranted or invalid criticism, nit-picking, fault-finding, also exclusion, isolation, being singled out and treated differently, being shouted at, humiliated, excessive monitoring, having verbal and written warnings imposed, and much more
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bully.htm

Verbal bullying means:
Name-calling
Teasing
Insulting
http://pbskids.org/itsmylife/friends/bullies/

Verbal bullying includes name-calling, insulting, intimidating, mocking, threatening, taunting, teasing, and making racist, sexist, or sexual comments. When does teasing cross the line and turn into bullying? Not everyone agrees, but some researchers (Froschl, Sprung, and Mullin-Rindler, 1998) see both teasing and bullying as points on a continuum of intentionally hurtful behavior, different only in degree. In a study of bullying in the Midwest, Ronald Oliver, John H. Hoover, and R. J. Hazler (1994) found that students are confused about teasing: They said it was done in fun, but they also ranked it as the most frequent bullying behavior. Verbal abuse is the most common form of bullying for both sexes (Kochenderfer and Ladd, 1996; Nansel et al., 2001)
- emphasis added by me

http://www.education.com/reference/article/what-bullying-teasing-school/
 

ScipioCowboy

More than meets the eye.
Messages
25,341
Reaction score
17,701
VietCowboy;4996449 said:
I have a feeling a lot of people posting in this thread would have told their child who was complaining about other student in the class teasing them to quite their whining or STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Most kids do get through life with bullying, but it is still bullying regardless of the degree of inflicted harm on the victim.

Bullying, of any kind, is an act intended to threaten, coerce, or inflict harm. Insulting someone, particularly if it was repeatedly like in this situation across perpetrators. Just read many website's definition of bullying and you'll see this fits in.

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bully.htm

http://pbskids.org/itsmylife/friends/bullies/

- emphasis added by me

http://www.education.com/reference/article/what-bullying-teasing-school/

:bravo:
 

MonsterD

Quota outta absentia
Messages
8,195
Reaction score
5,987
ScipioCowboy;4996437 said:
This does seem to fall under the definition of cyber bullying. It's certainly not as severe as Amanda Todd's case, but it's cyber bullying nonetheless.

Here's an idea: Let's all just be decent human beings.

I agree but there is a bigger picture than just stop hating ppl on the internet and that is, do people have the right to post a picture and make comments about it?

I mean if it were a picture of her in a dress at a formal event and someone comments that she should not wear that dress because it looks wrong on her or it is incorrect for that event, is that cyber-bullying?

I think I have to side with the ones saying that they can post pictures and make comments, even the rude ones like this. I still think they are jerks for doing it but they have the right to be crass, and facebook agrees with them.

Also there are laws governing some actions on the internet, i.e. death threats, or defamation etc.

It is a grey area because if this were not an adult and it were a 13 year old girl it would be different the way it is handled.
 

ScipioCowboy

More than meets the eye.
Messages
25,341
Reaction score
17,701
MonsterD;4996454 said:
I agree but there is a bigger picture than just stop hating ppl on the internet and that is, do people have the right to post a picture and make comments about it?

We're not really discussing rights here. The fact that someone has a right to insult someone else doesn't negate the possibility of bullying. Breaking a law isn't a prerequisite for bullying.

And doesn't she have the right to make a video in which she calls out her tormentors?

Personally, I like the way she went about it. She didn't get the law involved. She simply made a video to turn public pressure against the page. Kudos to her.

I mean if it were a picture of her in a dress at a formal event and someone comments that she should not wear that dress because it looks wrong on her or it is incorrect for that event, is that cyber-bullying?

I think I have to side with the ones saying that they can post pictures and make comments, even the rude ones like this. I still think they are jerks for doing it but they have the right to be crass, and facebook agrees with them.

Also there are laws governing some actions on the internet, i.e. death threats, or defamation etc.

It is a grey area because if this were not an adult and it were a 13 year old girl it would be different the way it is handled.

Depends on the how the comment was offered, but probably not. However, there's a rather wide difference between offering commentary on one's choice of attire and the comments seen in this video.
 

Blitzen32

Active Member
Messages
217
Reaction score
36
VietCowboy;4996449 said:
I have a feeling a lot of people posting in this thread would have told their child who was complaining about other student in the class teasing them to quite their whining or STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. Most kids do get through life with bullying, but it is still bullying regardless of the degree of inflicted harm on the victim.

Bullying, of any kind, is an act intended to threaten, coerce, or inflict harm. Insulting someone, particularly if it was repeatedly like in this situation across perpetrators. Just read many website's definition of bullying and you'll see this fits in.

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bully.htm

http://pbskids.org/itsmylife/friends/bullies/

- emphasis added by me

http://www.education.com/reference/article/what-bullying-teasing-school/

If my child or other loved one were being directly bullied in any way, we would address it to make sure that it ended.

Cyber bullying, and real life bullying, are unfortunately not as easy to avoid as merely just not clicking on a specific facebook page.

This girl in the OP was a public celebrity (cheerleaders for NFL teams certainly fit that category), and she's upset that fans of other teams said mean stuff about her. According to her, it's ok to say nice stuff...just stop the mean stuff.

BIG difference between that and the bullying that you speak of.

Now, should we all be decent with each other in general? Of course.

Like I said previously, if Facebook (and their army of brilliant people assigned who specialize in these exact matters) factually determined that it wasn't cyber bullying, then I'd go with their assessment.
 

ABQCOWBOY

Regular Joe....
Messages
58,929
Reaction score
27,716
notherbob;4996368 said:
Actually, I think she is quite lovely, even in the controversial picture. It is the inconsiderate and unruly fans that are ugly. But then, how would you know how stupid they are if they didn't open their mouths and tell you?

When you get older, you can appreciate youth a bit more I think. That girl, to me, is not ugly. She is not a beauty queen but I don't think that only people who are drop dead gorgeous qualify as pretty either. It's unfortunate that people are as superficial as they are and it's even worse that the net provides a forum from which to compound this behavior 10K fold.

It's the reality of life today. What will result from this is that a girl like this will not want to be a cheerleader. Only girls who are physically gorgeous will want to and that's a shame.
 

VietCowboy

Be Realistic. Demand the Impossible.
Messages
2,966
Reaction score
54
Blitzen32;4996471 said:
If my child or other loved one were being directly bullied in any way, we would address it to make sure that it ended.

Cyber bullying, and real life bullying, are unfortunately not as easy to avoid as merely just not clicking on a specific facebook page.

This girl in the OP was a public celebrity (cheerleaders for NFL teams certainly fit that category), and she's upset that fans of other teams said mean stuff about her. According to her, it's ok to say nice stuff...just stop the mean stuff.

BIG difference between that and the bullying that you speak of.

Now, should we all be decent with each other in general? Of course.

Like I said previously, if Facebook (and their army of brilliant people assigned who specialize in these exact matters) factually determined that it wasn't cyber bullying, then I'd go with their assessment.

I'm sorry if you are using Facebook's determination as your reasoning. The fact of the matter is that Facebook errs on the side of freedom of speech. Here's another example of Facebook not doing anything, and it is clearly cyberbullying:

http://www.euronews.com/2013/01/07/facebook-criticised-for-allowing-cyber-bullying/

She dared to criticise a rather macho Facebook page that was sneering at women. Her photoshopped face then appeared, bruised, along with rape threats and insults.

So that is not cyberbullying? making threats? Yet, facebook did nothing.
 
Top