Packers propose banning Tush Push

[FanofJerry]

People can't be afraid to play football.

You're side stepping important info

 

[Captain-Crash]

Dallas should propose a no-throwing the football ban.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

It's really amazing that it hasn't been an issue before now since they changed the rule. Some of those offensive linemen slam into a pileup to push the runner forward. To me, if an offensive player is pushing anyone other than a defender, then you could call pushing.

I can understand there are some vagaries, but I don't think a very specific definition of pushing would be that hard to call. Your Eagles players are clearly pushing; everyone can see that. Any rule would need to use that as a starting point.

As I've said before in this thread, I don't think it is fair just to ban the tush push because Philly is great at it. I think it is absolutely fair to ban any similar pushing. Plays where the running back is basically carried across the goal line by offensive linemen should get the same treatment as the tush push.

But this still brings everything back to the root of the issue: would this ban proposal be here if the Eagles weren’t very good at it? It hadn’t been proposed in the 2 decades prior to Sirianni+Hurts

What is the precedent being set here

 

[Chasing6]

It's not happening. Nothing is stopping other teams from using the tush push themselves. The Eagles are just the team that perfected it, which makes it sting, I admit.

Having said that, there is something of an unfair aspect when other offensive players can literally push Hurts or any QB forward for a first down. To me this is going to be a fad that goes away eventually. Once a QB gets his knee or leg twisted up into a season ending injury because of the tush push, it's going to fall out of favor faster than the wildcat formation.

If the defense can not push their players why can the offense?

 

[KingCorcoran]

But this still brings everything back to the root of the issue: would this ban proposal be here if the Eagles weren’t very good at it? It hadn’t been proposed in the 2 decades prior to Sirianni+Hurts

What is the precedent being set here

Since this proposal did not come from, and is not endorsed by, the Rules Committee I doubt the owners will vote to ban the play. It is a comparatively safe play. It is less a sure thing than extra point attempts. Squelching innovation has never been part of the NFL.

 

[gimmesix]

But this still brings everything back to the root of the issue: would this ban proposal be here if the Eagles weren’t very good at it?

Maybe not, but I don't think that is the root issue. It's easy to overlook the advantage that pushing gives when it is happening downfield in the heat of the play. However, when the pushing is calculated, it gets noticed and teams wonder if it should be allowed. Now, maybe if the Eagles weren't very good at it, it wouldn't get noticed as much, but they are drawing attention to the fact that they have players purposefully, not in the heat of the moment, shoving their QB forward into contact.

I think the Packers are dwelling on who is getting shoved and where too much, but perhaps that's because the league isn't likely to go back to how pushing was officiated before 2006.

 

[MyFairLady]

It is trash and no one wants to watch it.

 

[reddyuta]

I don't mind it but gives a huge advantage to the Offenses when they run and pass out of it,it doesn't give the defense a fair shot to stop it.

 

[FanofJerry]

But this still brings everything back to the root of the issue: would this ban proposal be here if the Eagles weren’t very good at it? It hadn’t been proposed in the 2 decades prior to Sirianni+Hurts

What is the precedent being set here

I mean...if someone perfects something to the point it changes the game significantly...

Shouldn't there be new rules?

Put it this way, if Shaquille O'Neil was 4 inches taller in his prime...in a contact sport that calls fouls for contact...do you think watching Shaq obliterate teams single handedly is a fun product to watch?

There are two sides to this...those that don't care about parity amd only care about complete domination, and those that are concerned about the parity getting watered down.

Sport, at the highest level, should have some parity to keep fans interested....since it's about money ultimately.

Those wanting complete domination are looking at this as war and not Sport.

This convo needs to be defined as Sport or war...but that ruins the op.

If sport is about viewers and money, I'm not paying attention to total domination....so less money.

 

[FanofJerry]

Who sits and is entertained by those youtube videos of peewee football games where a coach let's a 200lb kid play running back against 80lb kids.

Is that fun? I find it very boring.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I mean...if someone perfects something to the point it changes the game significantly...

Shouldn't there be new rules?

Put it this way, if Shaquille O'Neil was 4 inches taller in his prime...in a contact sport that calls fouls for contact...do you think watching Shaq obliterate teams single handedly is a fun product to watch?

There are two sides to this...those that don't care about parity amd only care about complete domination, and those that are concerned about the parity getting watered down.

Sport, at the highest level, should have some parity to keep fans interested....since it's about money ultimately.

Those wanting complete domination are looking at this as war and not Sport.

This convo needs to be defined as Sport or war...but that ruins the op.

If sport is about viewers and money, I'm not paying attention to total domination....so less money.

I would disagree completely. Shaq was an attraction who fans spent money to see whenever he came to their town. Make him 4 inches taller and hes becomes 2x as marketable for the NBA. IMO a good chunk of the fun is trying to watch other teams figure out how to stop dominance.

The tush push is a very boring play, but everyone is watching it. Even yourself who hates the play has admitted to studying YouTube videos on the play. We are also 10 pages deep on this thread and still going strong. This isnt a new play, they've been running it for years now and we still talk about it. The play is divisive. The play is simply yet tough to replicate. This play is kind of like the Cowboys where even people who hate them will watch just to root against and complain about them. This is easy $$$ for the NFL.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I mean...if someone perfects something to the point it changes the game significantly...

Shouldn't there be new rules?

Put it this way, if Shaquille O'Neil was 4 inches taller in his prime...in a contact sport that calls fouls for contact...do you think watching Shaq obliterate teams single handedly is a fun product to watch?

There are two sides to this...those that don't care about parity amd only care about complete domination, and those that are concerned about the parity getting watered down.

Sport, at the highest level, should have some parity to keep fans interested....since it's about money ultimately.

Those wanting complete domination are looking at this as war and not Sport.

This convo needs to be defined as Sport or war...but that ruins the op.

If sport is about viewers and money, I'm not paying attention to total domination....so less money.

“Total domination”? We didn’t even need it to blow out the NFCCG and SB. The argument only works if you believe the Push play gives Philadelphia an unfair competitive advantage that other teams could never replicate with proper preparation. Anyone could do it, just they haven’t tried to acquire the specific personnel to do so.

No team could score TDs as fast as the greatest show on turf, or run for as many yards as Dallas in the 90’s, should there have been proposals against those teams? Compared to those analogies that were a threat every play for years, the push play is a drop in an ocean. Used 20-30 times a seasons at most

It can’t be just because it’s good. Or we start banning lots of good stuff; is Aubrey an unfair advantage? No one else kicks like him. The Push is still less valuable than having an automatic kicker.

 

[thunderpimp91]

“Total domination”? We didn’t even need it to blow out the NFCCG and SB. The argument only works if you believe the Push play gives Philadelphia an unfair competitive advantage that other teams could never replicate with proper preparation. Anyone could do it, just they haven’t tried to acquire the specific personnel to do so.

No team could score TDs as fast as the greatest show on turf, or run for as many yards as Dallas in the 90’s, should there have been proposals against those teams? Compared to those analogies that were a threat every play for years, the push play is a drop in an ocean. Used 20-30 times a seasons at most

It can’t be just because it’s good. Or we start banning lots of good stuff; is Aubrey an unfair advantage? No one else kicks like him. The Push is still less valuable than having an automatic kicker.

This really should be the end of the thread right here....It wont be, but it should be.

 

[Charlotte_Cowboy]

I just think the push part needs to be banned. Just run a QB sneak but once they touch him, penalty. The D isn't allowed to push someone into the hole and neither can special teams

 

[FanofJerry]

“Total domination”? We didn’t even need it to blow out the NFCCG and SB. The argument only works if you believe the Push play gives Philadelphia an unfair competitive advantage that other teams could never replicate with proper preparation. Anyone could do it, just they haven’t tried to acquire the specific personnel to do so.

No team could score TDs as fast as the greatest show on turf, or run for as many yards as Dallas in the 90’s, should there have been proposals against those teams? Compared to those analogies that were a threat every play for years, the push play is a drop in an ocean. Used 20-30 times a seasons at most

It can’t be just because it’s good. Or we start banning lots of good stuff; is Aubrey an unfair advantage? No one else kicks like him. The Push is still less valuable than having an automatic kicker.

It's boring to watch as a fan.

It could get perfected to the point it can't be stopped on short distances...turning into gimmee first downs. Boring

It could stress defenses out.

I don't care either way...I can forsee it getting out of hand

 

[FanofJerry]

I just think the push part needs to be banned. Just run a QB sneak but once they touch him, penalty. The D isn't allowed to push someone into the hole and neither can special teams

But the offender wants to be able to run roughshod over the defense...

Sounds fun

 

[StarOfGlory]

This! If a scrum with players pushing in either direction can happen "midplay" when a ball carrier and defender are battling for extra yards (or to stop the ball carrier's momentum), then it should also be allowed at the start of a play. End of story.

The Tush Push is not a scrum, it’s a maul.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I'm not into rugby or tug of war

Nothing against those two sports...I just like American football.

If this is real, coaches are going to exploit the formation with trick plays. Can't believe they haven't already. Think I saw Philly called one in the formation but they false started and ruined what they were going to do. Looked like Hurts was going to roll out and pass or run. That's easy money...too easy. Your WR is in one on one, and you could have a releasing TE, or run it? Easy money.

It will exploited until teams are giving up short distance downs to protect against chunk plays. Essentially, drastically changing the game

If this was real, every team would do it for the competitive advantage. This has not happened. The Eagles have the coaching and personnel to run the play. Tough **** for everyone else. But don’t fret. With our run D, Barkley will get 10 ypc against us and not have to rush push.

 

[mote]

If this was real, every team would do it for the competitive advantage. This has not happened. The Eagles have the coaching and personnel to run the play. Tough **** for everyone else. But don’t fret. With our run D, Barkley will get 10 ypc against us and not have to rush push.

If the Cowboys could take a 300 lb Ezekiel Elliott and use him like a bowling ball in a tush push with the same level of success that the Eagles did, there's a zero percent chance anyone here would be complaining.

 

[Walker]

You're side stepping important info

What important information would that be? Could you list them?