Packers propose banning Tush Push

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

This is what I don't like. They let the play continue while they are trying to push him forward but you know if there was a fumble or something they would immediately blow it dead and say his forward progress was stopped.

They literally have had a fumble that was recovered by the other team before.

Nobody blew anything dead.

Don't make up stuff.

 

[Sydla]

Packers sound like babies here.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

That's the argument for me that makes the most sense.

They don't let the defense do it, but the offense can.

Otherwise, I think the Eagles should be rewarded for their ingenuity.

They let the defense gang tackle one offensive ball carrier though....which in turn leads to offensive players pushing forward the ball carrier.

So do we ban gang tackles?

If NO, do we ban offensive players pushing RBs and WRs forward that are being gang tackled and their progress has been stalled? If NO, then do we ban JUST this one play where we're pushing the offensive ball carrier forward (who in this case just happens to be the QB?)

If YES, then thats just a hater-vote, trying to passive aggressively get another team from doing a play they're good at (i.e. being a sissy).

If you think ALL those plays should be banned, or NONE of them shod be banned....then that's legit logic. If you want to keep being able to push a RB or WR forward, which all 32 teams do, but ban the Brotherly Shove, then you're a passive aggressive sissy who wants his big brother to come keep him from getting beat up.

 

[Kingofholland]

To be honest, it can be easily stop if the league allowed defensive players to push each other as well.

Maybe, but the offense will always have the advantage of knowing the snap, so they have a split second head start. 4th and inches is usually to the advantage of the offense. It's just that the Eagles extended out the inches part into yards.

 

[KingCorcoran]

It's not happening. Nothing is stopping other teams from using the tush push themselves. The Eagles are just the team that perfected it, which makes it sting, I admit.

Having said that, there is something of an unfair aspect when other offensive players can literally push Hurts or any QB forward for a first down. To me this is going to be a fad that goes away eventually. Once a QB gets his knee or leg twisted up into a season ending injury because of the tush push, it's going to fall out of favor faster than the wildcat formation.

There is not a single instance where a player was injured in a “tush push” play. If the NFL banned every play that has a higher percent incidence of injury it would mean the end of pro football as we know it.

This is nothing more than some owners encouraging Green Bay to propose this because they are community owned. No ownership group wants to be labeled the owner that proposed taking away a play because it’s successful.

And if it’s going to be because it’s not entertaining, get rid of kicking extra points. They are more boring and successful at a higher rate than the tush push.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think the biggest issue in banning the play is that no one else has really been able to replicate it. Its only really automatic for Philly, and I'm not a fan of banning something just because another team has gotten good at it.

The other issue is do we really see a high injury rate from the play? If not it's tough to come back to the player safety argument.

 

[FanofJerry]

They let the defense gang tackle one offensive ball carrier though....which in turn leads to offensive players pushing forward the ball carrier.

So do we ban gang tackles?

If NO, do we ban offensive players pushing RBs and WRs forward that are being gang tackled and their progress has been stalled? If NO, then do we ban JUST this one play where we're pushing the offensive ball carrier forward (who in this case just happens to be the QB?)

If YES, then thats just a hater-vote, trying to passive aggressively get another team from doing a play they're good at (i.e. being a sissy).

If you think ALL those plays should be banned, or NONE of them shod be banned....then that's legit logic. If you want to keep being able to push a RB or WR forward, which all 32 teams do, but ban the Brotherly Shove, then you're a passive aggressive sissy who wants his big brother to come keep him from getting beat up.

There is a reason no one in this thread is replying to my post about the play getting out of hand.

All anyone wants to focus on is calling others sissies.

Cool, this play hasn't gotten out of hand yet, but assuming this is all real, a coach is going to use the formation to set up trick plays and really exploit the defense.

No one wants to talk about how stressed out the tush push causes the defense to become.

This board is pro status quo...which is pro owner and anti taking away advantages.

Sports is a more stulimulating product when there is parity...not when one team can blow everyone else out, or one side of the ball can completely exploit the other side.

But this board don't want to talk about it.

I think the thing to focus on, which will be deflected from, is if the play stresses the defense out too much.

If the pro expoitation group here doesn't want to ban the play, I would suggest having the play designated before being used and there be no trick plays allowed off the formation. No one wants to talk about that fair offering.

My opinions are all based off if this play gets out of hand or if coaches and players think it's too lopsided in the offenses favor. Until then...

 

[mote]

They let the defense gang tackle one offensive ball carrier though....which in turn leads to offensive players pushing forward the ball carrier.

So do we ban gang tackles?

If NO, do we ban offensive players pushing RBs and WRs forward that are being gang tackled and their progress has been stalled? If NO, then do we ban JUST this one play where we're pushing the offensive ball carrier forward (who in this case just happens to be the QB?)

If YES, then thats just a hater-vote, trying to passive aggressively get another team from doing a play they're good at (i.e. being a sissy).

If you think ALL those plays should be banned, or NONE of them shod be banned....then that's legit logic. If you want to keep being able to push a RB or WR forward, which all 32 teams do, but ban the Brotherly Shove, then you're a passive aggressive sissy who wants his big brother to come keep him from getting beat up.

This! If a scrum with players pushing in either direction can happen "midplay" when a ball carrier and defender are battling for extra yards (or to stop the ball carrier's momentum), then it should also be allowed at the start of a play. End of story.

 

[mote]

There is a reason no one in this thread is replying to my post about the play getting out of hand.

All anyone wants to focus on is calling others sissies.

Cool, this play hasn't gotten out of hand yet, but assuming this is all real, a coach is going to use the formation to set up trick plays and really exploit the defense.

No one wants to talk about how stressed out the tush push causes the defense to become.

This board is pro status quo...which is pro owner and anti taking away advantages.

Sports is a more stulimulating product when there is parity...not when one team can blow everyone else out, or one side of the ball can completely exploit the other side.

But this board don't want to talk about it.

I think the thing to focus on, which will be deflected from, is if the play stresses the defense out too much.

If the pro expoitation group here doesn't want to ban the play, I would suggest having the play designated before being used and there be no trick plays allowed off the formation. No one wants to talk about that fair offering.

My opinions are all based off if this play gets out of hand or if coaches and players think it's too lopsided in the offenses favor. Until then...

Can you define "stresses the defense out too much"? What does that mean? How do you measure that? Doesn't a bunch of pre-snap motion generate stress? What about play action? And on and on....

 

[FanofJerry]

There is not a single instance where a player was injured in a “tush push” play. If the NFL banned every play that has a higher percent incidence of injury it would mean the end of pro football as we know it.

This is nothing more than some owners encouraging Green Bay to propose this because they are community owned. No ownership group wants to be labeled the owner that proposed taking away a play because it’s successful.

And if it’s going to be because it’s not entertaining, get rid of kicking extra points. They are more boring and successful at a higher rate than the tush push.

The extra point probably should be removed for the boring factor. Or make it longer

 

[thunderpimp91]

There is a reason no one in this thread is replying to my post about the play getting out of hand.

All anyone wants to focus on is calling others sissies.

Cool, this play hasn't gotten out of hand yet, but assuming this is all real, a coach is going to use the formation to set up trick plays and really exploit the defense.

No one wants to talk about how stressed out the tush push causes the defense to become.

This board is pro status quo...which is pro owner and anti taking away advantages.

Sports is a more stulimulating product when there is parity...not when one team can blow everyone else out, or one side of the ball can completely exploit the other side.

But this board don't want to talk about it.

I think the thing to focus on, which will be deflected from, is if the play stresses the defense out too much.

If the pro expoitation group here doesn't want to ban the play, I would suggest having the play designated before being used and there be no trick plays allowed off the formation. No one wants to talk about that fair offering.

My opinions are all based off if this play gets out of hand or if coaches and players think it's too lopsided in the offenses favor. Until then...

I'm actually surprised that we haven't seen a fake tush push only to flip it to one of the backs yet. As teams commit more resources to the middle of the LOS I think that will happen.

I'm not sure that 'stressing the defense' is a quality argument though. The entire goal of the offense is to stress the defense. Plus with the lack of replication of the play it doesn't seem to be as much of a formation advantage as it is a team that has practiced and executed a play to near perfection.

 

[FanofJerry]

Can you define "stresses the defense out too much"? What does that mean? How do you measure that? Doesn't a bunch of pre-snap motion generate stress? What about play action? And on and on....

There are 6 guys pushing up the middle.

You need at least that to have a chance on defense. 7 guys would be preferable.

Then, you have to have 2 guys to contain the edge.

That's 9 players accounted for on defense on or near the line of scrimmage.

That leaves 2 guys to contain the rest of the field.

A trick play that is ran to the outside, the ball carrier only needs ro break one tackle to get passed to line of scrimmage and then only has to juke one of the 2 guys defending the entire field.

Or, a trick play that passes to the Wr whom is one on one against a defender without help.

Or, trick play where a TE releases

Hasn't happened yet, but I could see this stressing defenses out, to the point it drastically impacts the game for the viewer.

Teams will have to give up first downs to protect against a trick play. 3rd and 2 essentially becomes guaranteed first downs. That's boring to me.

It's like defending a fake FG, but instead the passer is good with his arm. How many fake FGs have you seen where the play call was perfect, the releasing WR was WIDE OPEN...but the kicker fubar'd the throw. That's how wide open these guys will be, but with a qb throwing to them. But no one wants to talk about it

 

[KingCorcoran]

There are 6 guys pushing up the middle.

You need at least that to have a chance on defense. 7 guys would be preferable.

Then, you have to have 2 guys to contain the edge.

That's 9 players accounted for on defense on or near the line of scrimmage.

That leaves 2 guys to contain the rest of the field.

A trick play that is ran to the outside, the ball carrier only needs ro break one tackle to get passed to line of scrimmage and then only has to juke one of the 2 guys defending the entire field.

Or, a trick play that passes to the Wr whom is one on one against a defender without help.

Or, trick play where a TE releases

Hasn't happened yet, but I could see this stressing defenses out, to the point it drastically impacts the game for the viewer.

Teams will have to give up first downs to protect against a trick play. 3rd and 2 essentially becomes guaranteed first downs. That's boring to me.

The league should ban Barkley. He stresses defenses out. It’s not fair that every team doesn’t have one. Ban Lamar Jackson, too. It’s ridiculous that a quarterback can run like that. None of the others can. It’s not fair.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Other teams need to figure out how to stop it or use it themselves rather than banning it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ban it

 

[Cydios]

If you get beat by it, then you're line is weaker... don't let it get into short situations or get a bigger line.

 

[FanofJerry]

The league should ban Barkley. He stresses defenses out. It’s not fair that every team doesn’t have one. Ban Lamar Jackson, too. It’s ridiculous that a quarterback can run like that. None of the others can. It’s not fair.

I agree that football is entering an era where the running QB is tressing out defenses, and it could get out of hand soon.

Nothing I'm saying is crazy, and is easily very possible to become a thing.

I just prefer a better viewing product. You might like dominating others, it becomes boring for the viewer. It's why gyms go crazy when there is a 'barn burner' happening, not when one team is blowing the other out. To each his own, though.

I'm looking at it differently than you.

 

[FanofJerry]

Just ban trick plays off the formation and no running outside the tackles.

 

[FanofJerry]

Other teams need to figure out how to stop it or use it themselves rather than banning it.

You're side stepping a very real concern with trick plays off the formation.

It will turn short distance downs into guaranteed 1st downs...drastically changing the game

 

[CowboysRule]

They literally have had a fumble that was recovered by the other team before.

Nobody blew anything dead.

Don't make up stuff.

Yes. Your citation of a play that supposedly happened, with no actual evidence or information, shows that this will never happen.