Packers propose banning Tush Push

[FanofJerry]

I think we have come to the climax of this discussion...

I've laid out a very possible scenario that could take place, which could drastically change the game by use of trick plays off this formation causing defenses to forgo defending against the tush push in favor of defending against a chuck yardage play. This would cause short distance downs to become guaranteed 1st downs for the offense.

Case in point is how wide open the WR/TE/releasing player usually is on fake FGs. But now a QB will be making those throws, not a kicker.

Everyone is side stepping the very real possibility.

Is this even real?

 

[plymkr]

Once a QB gets his knee or leg twisted up into a season ending injury because of the tush push, it's going to fall out of favor faster than the wildcat formation.

Yep. Every other team is going to pout about it but the league won’t do anything unless a franchise QB gets lost for the season. If Hurts, Allen, or Mahomes gets injured doing the tush push then they’ll act on it.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I agree that football is entering an era where the running QB is tressing out defenses, and it could get out of hand soon.

Nothing I'm saying is crazy, and is easily very possible to become a thing.

I just prefer a better viewing product. You might like dominating others, it becomes boring for the viewer. It's why gyms go crazy when there is a 'barn burner' happening, not when one team is blowing the other out. To each his own, though.

I'm looking at it differently than you.

The quarterback throwing the ball directly into the ground to stop the clock. Boring. Purposely throwing it out of bounds denying the defense a chance to make a play on the ball. Boring. Taking a knee to bleed the clock effectively ending the game. Boring. All plays where the defense has less of a chance to stop the play than the tush push, but those plays are fine by you?

All teams do those plays. And they all can do them easily. Learn to do the tush push, or, better, in the interest of fan excitement, ban all plays that are boring and that deny the defense any chance to stop them.

 

[windward]

That’s just entirely arbitrary though. What about the LOS makes pushing good/bad/whatever on one side and not the other?

Don’t need a rule for it. Stop it.

I don’t like it. I think it’s a boring play but those aren’t good enough reasons to just ban it.

I mean, most football penalties are arbitrary.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think we have come to the climax of this discussion...

I've laid out a very possible scenario that could take place, which could drastically change the game by use of trick plays off this formation causing defenses to forgo defending against the tush push in favor of defending against a chuck yardage play. This would cause short distance downs to become guaranteed 1st downs for the offense.

Case in point is how wide open the WR usually is on fake FGs. But now a QB will be making those throws, not a kicker.

Everyone is side stepping the very real possibility.

Is this even real?

I can appreciate you looking at things differently, but what you're saying doesn't make a ton of sense. Yes there are trick plays that could come about from the tush push, and I would anticipate they will eventually.....some will work and some will blow up in the offenses face. That doesn't make it any different than any other formation though. Nor is a trick play of that much concern to the defense out of these formations.

If you throw the football your OL can't fire off the LOS and your DL has 6-7 guys rushing all straight up the middle. There are no outside WRs on this formation nor anyone lined up outside the TE so your DBs will be 1v1 against any ball carrier to the outside.

Its interesting to think about but your taking something that is of minimal concern and trying to make it bigger than it is. I'm sure there are teams that would rather see Philly pitch the ball out of that formation than watch Hurts fall forward time and time again.

 

[KJJ]

It should be all about blocking upfront and not pushing the QB in the endzone.

 

[CWR]

Screw Philly and all but they are better at it, and that's not a reason to ban it.

 

[Ironicalicon]

I think if you showed a tush push compilation to a person with just a basic understanding of American football they would think it looks like cheating.

 

[FanofJerry]

I'm not into rugby or tug of war

Nothing against those two sports...I just like American football.

If this is real, coaches are going to exploit the formation with trick plays. Can't believe they haven't already. Think I saw Philly called one in the formation but they false started and ruined what they were going to do. Looked like Hurts was going to roll out and pass or run. That's easy money...too easy. Your WR is in one on one, and you could have a releasing TE, or run it? Easy money.

It will exploited until teams are giving up short distance downs to protect against chunk plays. Essentially, drastically changing the game

 

[BrassCowboy]

Problem for me is while I think the Tush Push, as the eagles do it, should be banned, I do not think the occasional regular practice of offensive players helping a ball carrier get extra yards by pushing should not be banned. That would definitely definitely take away from the game.
So how do you word it so a deliberate designed play to push is illegal while the practice of helping a RB make that extra yard or two. Would be heck of a lot of interpretation by the referees.

So if it becomes complicated like that, then nah don't change the rule

 

[Hoofbite]

I mean, most football penalties are arbitrary.

And most have justification beyond “1 team is really good at doing it”

 

[Kwyn]

I’d like to see it either prohibited or see the rules adjusted to make it less of a gimme.

It’s just an ugly play and I don’t want to see more teams actively working to copy it.

 

[FanofJerry]

Problem for me is while I think the Tush Push, as the eagles do it, should be banned, I do not think the occasional regular practice of offensive players helping a ball carrier get extra yards by pushing should not be banned. That would definitely definitely take away from the game.
So how do you word it so a deliberate designed play to push is illegal while the practice of helping a RB make that extra yard or two. Would be heck of a lot of interpretation by the referees.

So if it becomes complicated like that, then nah don't change the rule

Behind the line of scrimmage is all the wording you need.

That still allows the occasional lineman to come up from behind and push a stalemate forward.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

This is what I don't like. They let the play continue while they are trying to push him forward but you know if there was a fumble or something they would immediately blow it dead and say his forward progress was stopped.

Bingo

 

[MarcusRock]

It's not happening. Nothing is stopping other teams from using the tush push themselves. The Eagles are just the team that perfected it, which makes it sting, I admit.

Having said that, there is something of an unfair aspect when other offensive players can literally push Hurts or any QB forward for a first down. To me this is going to be a fad that goes away eventually. Once a QB gets his knee or leg twisted up into a season ending injury because of the tush push, it's going to fall out of favor faster than the wildcat formation.

Then you bring in another player other than the QB to execute it. It doesn't take high level skill.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Then you bring in another player other than the QB to execute it. It doesn't take high level skill.

The wording is specific to the player that takes the snap. It is designed to stop what the Eagles do on short yardage, but otherwise allow the ball carrier to be pushed in all other circumstances. This is a new low for the NFL.

 

[5Stars]

It's just a gadget play close to the goal line, if they are that close and want to butt screw each other to score, go for it. The defense knows what will happen so let them do it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Keep the tush push...and then make the defensive launch legal again. Make it fair.

 

[speedkilz88]

Behind the line of scrimmage is all the wording you need.

That still allows the occasional lineman to come up from behind and push a stalemate forward.

They could even restrict to the tackle box as well.

 

[MarcusRock]

The wording is specific to the player that takes the snap. It is designed to stop what the Eagles do on short yardage, but otherwise allow the ball carrier to be pushed in all other circumstances. This is a new low for the NFL.

I was saying if people are afraid of getting their QB hurt, bring in someone else to take the snap. Someone like a Deebo Samuel would be perfect.