Packers propose banning Tush Push

Wangchung83 said:
If other QBs could squat as much as Hurts they would all be doing it. The reason Philly has such a high success rate is due to Hurts lower body strength compared to other QBs in the league.
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Philly does a really good job with the shoving aspect, too. When other teams like ours run it, it just looks like a quarterback sneak. When Philly does it, both of the players in the backfield actually shove their QB forward. It's the shoving aspect that is the concern.

I have little doubt without the shoving that Hurts would still have a high success rate because of his lower-body strength.
 
It will get banned in season soon as a major injury happens to a star QB..HURTS. The outcry will make it go away quick. But til that time, it ain't going anywhere.
 
TequilaCowboy said:
Used to be a runner could not be assisted or carried to advance the ball.. what the heck happened when they allowed the tush push.?
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It’s still a rule, but never enforced. If an offensive player can be pushed into other players, then defensive players should be allowed to do the same. Put three guys head up on the center of a field goal and BLAST his A into the kicker. .
 
coult44 said:
It’s still a rule, but never enforced. If an offensive player can be pushed into other players, then defensive players should be allowed to do the same. Put three guys head up on the center of a field goal and BLAST his A into the kicker. .
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The rule change allowing the ball carrier to be pushed happened in 2006. The NFL has never felt compelled to allow the defense to do the same. The rule change proposal does not disallow the ball carrier to be pushed, except in the manner the Eagles do it. The “scrum” which happens frequently and will happen more frequently going forward is something the owners want to be part of the game.

There has been zero conversation about rule changes giving advantages to the defense.
 
gimmesix said:
Philly does a really good job with the shoving aspect, too. When other teams like ours run it, it just looks like a quarterback sneak. When Philly does it, both of the players in the backfield actually shove their QB forward. It's the shoving aspect that is the concern.

I have little doubt without the shoving that Hurts would still have a high success rate because of his lower-body strength.
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I agree. They practice it and is important to them. If they banned the pushing, they would still do well with it imo. Maybe not an almost 100% success rate but, still a high percentage play.
 
KingCorcoran said:
There has been zero conversation about rule changes giving advantages to the dedefense.
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Ain't that somethin'

The offender can just run roughshod

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Anyway...no one complains about the lineman reinforcing their ball carrier downfield because it doesn't happen a lot, and it is not threatening changing the game significantly like if teams get super efficient at the tush push.

Just use the simple wording of 'behind the line of scrimmage'...it solves everything easily.

Let me clarify, I don't think it's gotten out of hand yet...but if it does...use the 'behind of line of scrimmage' wording
 
Defenses should let it be known that any offense that lines up and executes a tush push will also be receiving, at some unknown point in the game, a free history lesson on how football was played in the 1970's.
 
FanofJerry said:
Ain't that somethin'

The offender can just run roughshod

.....

Anyway...no one complains about the lineman reinforcing their ball carrier downfield because it doesn't happen a lot, and it is not threatening changing the game significantly like if teams get super efficient at the tush push.

Just use the simple wording of 'behind the line of scrimmage'...it solves everything easily.

Let me clarify, I don't think it's gotten out of hand yet...but if it does...use the 'behind of line of scrimmage' wording
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The proposal names the player taking the snap cannot be pushed. Nothing about behind the line of scrimmage. And the scrum does happen often, and will happen more as rushing the ball returns to being in vogue. Prior to the 2006 season pushing the ball carrier never happened as it was against the rules. Any “scrum” issues are self inflicted. It’s the owners’ league. I guess it is what is is.
 
KingCorcoran said:
The proposal names the player taking the snap cannot be pushed. Nothing about behind the line of scrimmage. And the scrum does happen often, and will happen more as rushing the ball returns to being in vogue.
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I don’t have a big issue with the play. But IMO, the offense does have a fairly significant advantage because it’s difficult to match force with force, since the defense can’t fully commit to the play.
 
If a linebacker or safety would spear the QB a few times they would stop running the play ....... Roy Williams the Safety, his first few years in the league, would put Hurtz in intensive care if they tried this back then.

he would be fined a lot ....... but it would have put a stop to it.
 
Spottswoode said:
I don’t have a big issue with the play. But IMO, the offense does have a fairly significant advantage because it’s difficult to match force with force, since the defense can’t fully commit to the play.
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My god...thank you.

And...that doesn't take into account having to defend against the trick play.

I've laid out my argument in this very thread on how this formation could get out of hand once teams start perfecting. Either short distance downs turn into gimmees or there ends up being easy TDs off of trick plays because defense is stressed too thin to account for everything.

Most posts are dancing around it without addressing my concerns. The main argument is that both teams can do it...but looking further down the road, that turns football into a different product because short yardage plays are gimmees in that universe.

I agree...I have no issue with it right now...but I could see this change the game because the defense can't handle it.

If teams get good at it, it turns into a David vs Goliath situation, which would not be an interesting product, imo.
 
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Pass2Run said:
They should ban this. It's not football. And boring **
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I don't fault the creativeness or finding an edge...

I do find it boring if it gets to a point the defense can't defend...we might already be there if teams start putting backup lineman behind the QB to push...

If it gets out of hand it needs to be banned for the sake of the game....the defense is spread too thin
 
My final assessment of this is:

1) it is supposed to be about football not life/the jungle

2) defenders of the play THAT COULD GET OUT OF HAND are defending the Lion and don't think he should have to hunt on 3 legs instead of 4

3) claiming 'we're making defenses stronger' is not adequate if the defense is dying. Assuming it's about football and not survival.
 
Doomsday said:
Players should get yards on their own, this isn't a Rugby scrum.
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The two guys pushing should find blockers to block...

But then that opens up the door to attack plays designed for two offensive lineman to block one defender to be scrutinized

It's a rabbit hole :/

I guess you could start scrutinizing everything as unfair. I'm just trying to keep football in a decent parity/fairness for the viewer. Assuming this is real...an unfair advantage should kill viewership and nfl ratings.

It's a time will tell thing.
 
Another final thought...

The nfl competition committee should review everything in real time.
I know that rule changes dont have to be tied to the Bargaining agreement...

But there should be no long wait to ban a play that is skewing the game the wrong way
 
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