Pacman suspended for 2007; Henry suspended 8 games

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Doomsday101;1453262 said:
The review panel does have something to do with suspensions it is not Goodell alone. You may feel different but many fans have been turned off by the inaction of Pro Sports in dealing with these thugs all in the name of the dollar. So roll the eyes all you want but some of us long time fans are sick of the thug league and are damn happy to see someone with enough balls to do something about it.

What was going to happen, if Goodell had simply doled out a punishment that was reasonably in line with his previous punishments?

Were you planning on not watching football? Do you know anyone who was?

So why do you care if these guys receive the most magnificent punishments ever? They did nothing to you, or anything that even affected you. So why does Goodell deserve praise for this?

Whoop-dee-doo. He's got a huge package, and he threw down on a couple "thugs." I certainly care far less about that inconsequential tripe than I do the aforementioned ON-field incidents.
 

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superpunk;1453270 said:
What was going to happen, if Goodell had simply doled out a punishment that was reasonably in line with his previous punishments?

Were you planning on not watching football? Do you know anyone who was?

So why do you care if these guys receive the most magnificent punishments ever? They did nothing to you, or anything that even affected you. So why does Goodell deserve praise for this?

Whoop-dee-doo. He's got a huge package, and he threw down on a couple "thugs." I certainly care far less about that inconsequential tripe than I do the aforementioned ON-field incidents.

Same to you are you going to stop watching because he does hand down meaningful punishment instead of what we have seen in the past that has not shown that it works? As for why do I like seeing strick punishment because I do care for the NFL and hate to see the reputation of the league in a bad light which many players have made the same statement and many players do care about the reputation of the league why is that? why should the players give a damn? Yet they do. Lastly Yes I do know people who were fans of professional sports who refuse to watch it over the last few years.
 

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Doomsday101;1453281 said:
Same to you are you going to stop watching because he does hand down meaningful punishment instead of what we have seen in the past that has not shown that it works? As for why do I like seeing strick punishment because I do care for the NFL and hate to see the reputation of the league in a bad light which many players have made the same statement and many players do care about the reputation of the league why is that? why should the players give a damn? Yet they do. Lastly Yes I do know people who were fans of professional sports who refuse to watch it over the last few years.
So, instead of answering you just reverse the question. Right. :cool:

Your reversal doesn't make any sense anyway. Discipline was needed and mandated from the personal conduct code or whatever. I just note the hypocrisy, and the apparent misplaced actual values of people watching the sport. There's more outrage over Pac-Man than Merriman and Haynesworth? Puh-leese. The difference is, I am more concerned about what goes on on the field, rather than some irrelevent tripe that goes on off it.

Goodell doesn't deserve any praise at all for this knee-jerk, reactionary move. He did his job, and he did it poorly. Where my priorities lie, I would actually get something out of it if he heeded what I think should happen - a clean, fair sport and less violence on the field. What amazing benefit are people going to receive from him throwing the hammer down on thuggish off-field behavior?

The answer?

Nothing. So there's no reason to be happy about it.

Anyhow, I'm spent on this topic. :)
 

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superpunk;1453292 said:
So, instead of answering you just reverse the question. Right. :cool:

Your reversal doesn't make any sense anyway. Discipline was needed and mandated from the personal conduct code or whatever. I just note the hypocrisy, and the apparent misplaced actual values of people watching the sport. There's more outrage over Pac-Man than Merriman and Haynesworth? Puh-leese. The difference is, I am more concerned about what goes on on the field, rather than some irrelevent tripe that goes on off it.

Goodell doesn't deserve any praise at all for this knee-jerk, reactionary move. He did his job, and he did it poorly. Where my priorities lie, I would actually get something out of it if he heeded what I think should happen - a clean, fair sport and less violence on the field. What amazing benefit are people going to receive from him throwing the hammer down on thuggish off-field behavior?

The answer?

Nothing. So there's no reason to be happy about it.

Anyhow, I'm spent on this topic. :)


Merriman and Haynesworth happened last year since then the league has put a panel together to look at what is taking place in the NFL and what to do to change this. The have used this off-season to talk with the players union and owners of what needs to be done. Goodell did not just wake up yesterday and say hey lets hand down some tough penalties, this action is taking place based on many conversations with the different groups within the league and right now they are firmly behind the actions that have taken place. This not some lone ranger move by Goodell it is the action by those in the league are want to see a change in the reputation of this sport. You call it knee-jerk well that is not what is coming out of the mouths of those who make a living in this league.
 

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WoodysGirl;1453184 said:
Porter per Mosley said on ESPN that he wasn't worried about Sheriff Goodell.

It certainly appears that the media is the one pulling Goodells stings.

For Porter to get a free pass on this is a gross injustice. Im not saying suspend him for more than a game or two but Porter started a fight with another NFL player involving multiple of his posse.

Henry got traffic tickets for his last offense.
 

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superpunk;1453292 said:
Anyhow, I'm spent on this topic. :)

I'm just getting started. What do you think Goodell should do about Howard K. Stern claiming "Thats my baby!" about Dannielynn?
 

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Doomsday101;1453254 said:
I'm not defending him what I'm saying is his action where wrong and the network did what had to be done. Pacman actions have also been very wrong and the NFL finally stood up and did what is right for a change.

Imus' actions were only wrong from a moral and couthness standpoint. Legally, he did nothing wrong. Pacman is in trouble legally. The NFL can take a stand all they want to, I don't really get all up in arms over it like some.
 

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superpunk;1453270 said:
What was going to happen, if Goodell had simply doled out a punishment that was reasonably in line with his previous punishments?

Were you planning on not watching football? Do you know anyone who was?

So why do you care if these guys receive the most magnificent punishments ever? They did nothing to you, or anything that even affected you. So why does Goodell deserve praise for this?

Whoop-dee-doo. He's got a huge package, and he threw down on a couple "thugs." I certainly care far less about that inconsequential tripe than I do the aforementioned ON-field incidents.


I wonder, Superpunk, if your stance would change if it were your relative that got paralized by the actions of Pacman and his gang?

You say off the field issues are no big deal to you, however, I would rather not have someone out doing things that may harm me or any of my loved ones or friends.

Now, I know that we do not live in a bubble, and risk is everywhere, but don't you think that if any risk, any small or large risk, is removed you would be or feel a little safer?

:confused:
 

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peplaw06;1453157 said:
There's no such thing as being "guilty of free speech." Free speech is a right, not a crime. However if an employer wants to discourage that behavior, it's perfectly within their province to do so... assuming some contract doesn't prevent them taking action.

Correctamundo. This is lifted from one of my favorite blogs, Captain's Quarters:

The FCC should not take any action against Imus. He said nothing that objectively violates FCC rules, with which I have some familiarity as a part-time broadcast talk show host here in the Twin Cities. The government should not make value judgments on content that does not break rules for obscenity, which are fairly clear and for the most part easily followed.

Outside of that, Meyers tries to make a First Amendment case where it does not apply. Except for the perpetually obtuse Sharpton, no one is asking the government to take Imus off the air. The protestors have pressured CBS and NBC to fire Imus -- and they comprise what both networks would consider their potential audience.

Boycotts are a perfectly acceptable form of free-market protest. If a corporation offends its market in some manner, their consumers will take their business elsewhere. Those consumers can organize to attempt to change the behavior of the vendor in some manner, and that action has complete legitimacy in the marketplace as long as it isn't for illegal purposes. Especially in entertainment, the consumers have few other options available to effect change without organizing in some kind of manner.

Boycotts get used across the political spectrum, and the NAACP should understand that better than anyone. It was a boycott of the Montgomery bus system in 1955-6 that launched the modern civil rights movement. The NAACP has threatened or staged other boycotts since for various purposes and with varying degrees of success, and have often criticized the entertainment industry for its portrayals of black Americans and at least threatened boycotts as an extension of their protests. These boycotts didn't violate free speech or free association; they merely brought market forces to bear on a protest.

Imus has the right to say what he did. For that matter, the Ku Klux Klan has the right to say what they do, as long as it doesn't foment violence. That doesn't mean that the First Amendment requires CBS and NBC to give either of them a platform for it. Free speech does not include a right to commandeer someone else's press or microphone without their permission.

Meyers should know all of this better than anyone. CBS and NBC have a market decision to make, and they'll probably conclude that Imus' audience will not dissipate over this piece of rank stupidity. They will almost certainly be correct in this judgment, which says plenty about Imus' audience. The two-week suspension will at least exact some kind of consequence for what Michelle Malkin accurately described as Imus' "verbal diarrhea".

Addendum: Here's the crux of the matter: media stars shouldn't attack kids, regardless of the nature of the attack. It's bullying, and nothing turns off people more than a bully. Imus either forgot this, or never learned it before now.
 

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I cant believe there's 500+ posts in this thread

really...its amazing

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5Stars;1453493 said:
I wonder, Superpunk, if your stance would change if it were your relative that got paralized by the actions of Pacman and his gang?

Why do you have to wonder? A very clear part of my stance is whether or not these actions affect me. Obviously, your hypothetical would (duh) affect me. So there's nothing to wonder about. I would actually care what they're doing in that scenario. My caring would take the form of legal action, not NFL suspensions.

That doesn't change the fact that these guys antics are not affecting my (or anyone else's) viewing experience. Certainly not as much as cheating and on the field assault.
 

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bbgun;1453496 said:
Correctamundo. This is lifted from one of my favorite blogs, Captain's Quarters:
Captain's Quarters, huh? I was about to post and ask if you read Michelle Malkin too, but good thing I kept reading:

Meyers should know all of this better than anyone. CBS and NBC have a market decision to make, and they'll probably conclude that Imus' audience will not dissipate over this piece of rank stupidity. They will almost certainly be correct in this judgment, which says plenty about Imus' audience. The two-week suspension will at least exact some kind of consequence for what Michelle Malkin accurately described as Imus' "verbal diarrhea".
:D
 

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superpunk;1453509 said:
Why do you have to wonder? A very clear part of my stance is whether or not these actions affect me. Obviously, your hypothetical would (duh) affect me. So there's nothing to wonder about. I would actually care what they're doing in that scenario. My caring would take the form of legal action, not NFL suspensions.

That doesn't change the fact that these guys antics are not affecting my (or anyone else's) viewing experience. Certainly not as much as cheating and on the field assault.

I get it now! You are discussing two seperate things. Society vs. football playing...right? I think society is more important then the game of football...but, that's just me.

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theogt;1453541 said:
Captain's Quarters, huh? I was about to post and ask if you read Michelle Malkin too, but good thing I kept reading:

:D

Indeed I do. She's easy on the eyes, too.
 

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Sorry to drag this thing up again, but the Duke lacrosse story is Exhibit A showing how a rush to punish can bite you in the butt.
 

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peplaw06;1453705 said:
Sorry to drag this thing up again, but the Duke lacrosse story is Exhibit A showing how a rush to punish can bite you in the butt.

Are you accusing Roger Goodell of using these suspensions to further his underground DJ career with Donald Rumsfeld?

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superpunk;1453708 said:
Are you accusing Roger Staubach of using these suspensions to further his underground DJ career with Donald Trump?


Fixed...


:confused: :confused:


Please explain...?
 

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I am awed at how long this thread has gotten. Sad that only about a dozen or so posters have most of the posts, though. Its interesting what Sharpton and Jackson and other well know media hos had to say about the Duke case. I imagine they will have nothing constructive to say now or in the future about either one.
 

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burmafrd;1453720 said:
I am awed at how long this thread has gotten. Sad that only about a dozen or so posters have most of the posts, though. Its interesting what Sharpton and Jackson and other well know media hos had to say about the Duke case. I imagine they will have nothing constructive to say now or in the future about either one.
If only we could have somehow worked in a Notre Dame player...

I'm sorry that you feel left out.
 
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