Pacman suspended for 2007; Henry suspended 8 games

[Doomsday101]

That is fine. I don't disagree with you. I just don't see how the Imus situation really compares. Not enough similarities.

It compares because the networks did it without so called due process. Imus is guilty of freedom of speech but both share the common ground of conduct detrimental to the business they work for. So from that standpoint I do see a similarity. Just as ESPN fired Rush Limbaugh where was the due process? They fired him to salvage their reputation. Well the NFL is cracking down to salvage theirs.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Two cents on the Imus thing cuz I don't want to take this thing too far off-topic.

If somebody called me, referred to, or even thought of me as a nappy-headed hoe, I'm looking to bust heads. I don't care about freedom of speech. Joke or not. I'm an educated female and so are those young ladies and to be referred to as a hoe, nappy-headed or otherwise. That's some BS.

You want outrage, then there you go.

 

[Doomsday101]

Two cents on the Imus thing cuz I don't want to take this thing too far off-topic.

If somebody called me, referred to, or even thought of me as a nappy-headed hoe, I'm looking to bust heads. I don't care about freedom of speech. Joke or not. I'm an educated female and so are those young ladies and to be referred to as a hoe, nappy-headed or otherwise. That's some BS.

You want outrage, then there you go.

And you’re right to feel that way. I'm not defending what Imus said and chances are the power of the listener will be enough to kill his ratings and force the network to not renew his contract. I have always believed that freedom of speech carries consequence, you can say what you want but you have to be willing to take the heat for what you say

 

[superpunk]

Two cents on the Imus thing cuz I don't want to take this thing too far off-topic.

If somebody called me, referred to, or even thought of me as a nappy-headed hoe, I'm looking to bust heads. I don't care about freedom of speech. Joke or not. I'm an educated female and so are those young ladies and to be referred to as a hoe, nappy-headed or otherwise. That's some BS.

You want outrage, then there you go.

That's pretty much his entire show, from what I understand. Be insulting to everything and everyone. I think it's kind of stupid to make a huge deal out of something he does every day, when you've been paying him to be a despicable human being for years. I think I understand why it happened, but I think it's a little hypocritical of the networks to support his insults for years, and now that the black community (read: Al Sharpton) is up in arms, suspend him. I would applaud some preemptive strike from them - this reactionary stuff is just lame, from both Goodell and MSNBC.

 

[DallasEast]

I wish we would keep the Imus and Jones/Henry issues separate. Punishment will be appropriately dealt onto all parties, but the circumstances surrounding those involved are very different.

Jones and Henry are accused, arrested and/or found guilty of crimes. Those crimes were avoidable, but were initiated and the League is attempting to curtail its players from committing criminal offenses by making examples of both men.

On the other hand, Imus initially allowed his prejudicial (or outright bigoted) nature to surface in his broadcast. Sure, he has freedom of speech to say what he wishes, but does he have to say everything that crosses his mind without giving thought of the consequences?

If he were making a public comment about his mother, would he describe her as being a 'nappy headed ho'? Possibly, but doubtful. Why? Because he would choose not to. Imus chose his words about the Rutgers team purposely. He must now suffer the consequences of his actions, but let's remember that he wasn't breaking the law like Jones or Henry; nor was he misled or provoked in speaking out--as Sharpton has in the past.

And why exactly does Jesse Jackson's and/or Al Sharpton's name keep popping up in this thread?

 

[superpunk]

I wish we would keep the Imus and Jones/Henry issues separate. Punishment will be appropriately dealt onto all parties, but the circumstances surrounding those involved are very different.

Fair enough.

On the other hand, Imus initially allowed his prejudicial (or outright bigoted) nature to surface in his broadcast. Sure, he has freedom of speech to say what he wishes, but does he have to say everything that crosses his mind without thought of the consequences?

No. And he shouldn't. As I understand it though, that's what he's been paid to do for years. Now it's a problem? OK. Seems yella' to me for the organizations that have supported his bigotry for years to turn their back on him now because they're getting pressure.

I feel similarly about Goodell.

And why exactly does Jesse Jackson's and/or Al Sharpton's name keep popping up in this thread?

I ask myself a similar question every time I've turned on the news for the past few days. :laugh2:

 

[dbair1967]

It compares because the networks did it without so called due process. Imus is guilty of freedom of speech but both share the common ground of conduct detrimental to the business they work for. So from that standpoint I do see a similarity. Just as ESPN fired Rush Limbaugh where was the due process? They fired him to salvage their reputation. Well the NFL is cracking down to salvage theirs.

Imus- suspended for stupid comments

Pac Trash- suspended for being a total thug and getting itno trouble over and over

sorry, I dont see it either

David

 

[zrinkill]

If somebody called me, referred to, or even thought of me as a nappy-headed hoe, I'm looking to bust heads. I don't care about freedom of speech. Joke or not. I'm an educated female and so are those young ladies and to be referred to as a hoe, nappy-headed or otherwise. That's some BS.

You want outrage, then there you go.

Its ok for me to call Imus, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson nappy-headed hoes though right?

 

[Doomsday101]

Imus- suspended for stupid comments

Pac Trash- suspended for being a total thug and getting itno trouble over and over

sorry, I dont see it either

David

As I said both were handed down suspensions for what they deem as conduct detrimental to their business I see that as a common in both cases. People ask where is Pacmans due process. But yet I have not heard anything about Imus due process. I think MSNBC did what they felt was in the best interest of their business and I think the NFL is doing what they feel is in the best interest of their business.

 

[DallasEast]

No. And he shouldn't. As I understand it though, that's what he's been paid to do for years. Now it's a problem? OK. Seems yella' to me for the organizations that have supported his bigotry for years to turn their back on him now because they're getting pressure.

I feel similarly about Goodell.

I'm not an Imus fan, so I'm not familar with what he talks about during his broadcasts. Since it is being stated that he makes inflammatory remarks 'all the time', my question would be, "Has anyone ever taken him to task for his comments before now"? Has he been held accountable for his comments by his accusers as has been the case now? Or has it been that Imus has talked a lot of smack over the years, which no one has been outraged enough over, and NOW he's put HIMSELF squarely in the bullseye?

 

[superpunk]

I'm not an Imus fan, so I'm not familar with what he talks about during his broadcasts. Since it is being stated that he makes inflammatory remarks 'all the time', my question would be, "Has anyone taken him to task for his comments"? Has he been held accountable for his comments by his accusers as has been the case now? Or has it been that Imus has talked a lot of smack over the years, which no one has been outraged enough over, and NOW he's put HIMSELF squarely in the bullseye?

I am not a fan, either. And don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to paint him as a victim.

I see so much applause and praise for these reactionary "save-face" moves. Frankly, I'm woefully unimpressed with Goodell whipping it out and showing it off by making examples of a few young men who engaged in deplorable behavior off the field. It's hypocritical IMO considering how he has handled far more egregious on-the-field incidents during his tenure, that I personally consider far more despicable.

To use Imus as an example (since we're already there) it would be like in a few weeks CNN suspending Soledad O'Brien for 10 weeks because she said something derogatory about whites in the privacy of her own home, and someone got ahold of it. Maybe not the best example, but it kind of illustrates how I feel about it.

What was worse for your perception? What happened on the mic, or off it? I would think a stiffer penalty for something done off-camera would be viewed as hypocritical. Somehow, when Goodell does it, it's lauded as courageous.

I can't understand it. The motivation is correct, I take issue with the execution.

 

[peplaw06]

Imus is guilty of freedom of speech but both share the common ground of conduct detrimental to the business they work for.

What does this even mean?

 

[Doomsday101]

What does this even mean?

What law was broken?

 

[YosemiteSam]

What law was broken?

Speaking without my permission. Punishable by death.

 

[Doomsday101]

Speaking without my permission. Punishable by death.

I think the guy is a jerk myself and do not listen to his show or watch it. I have seen him interviewed a few times and I just don't care for him. However the stations he works for have always been quick to point out his views are not shared by the network or those who work for the network just as many shock jocks.

 

[peplaw06]

What law was broken?

Who said a law was broken? He said something that was at the very least insensitive, and was punished by his employer for it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who said a law was broken? He said something that was at the very least insensitive, and was punished by his employer for it.

Imus has said many insensitive things in the past

 

[DallasEast]

What was worse for your perception? What happened on the mic, or off it? I would think a stiffer penalty for something done off-camera would be viewed as hypocritical. Somehow, when Goodell does it, it's lauded as courageous.

I can't understand it. The motivation is correct, I take issue with the execution.

My perception would be the same regardless if the source was white, black, brown or purple. Imus got caught saying something which was purposely offensive to others. He's being taken to task over it. He isn't an isolated case. Jesse Jackson ( ) once used the word 'hymie'. He never should have used it. Jews were offended. He was taken to task over it. Imus made his bed by initially flapping his lips (even though he doesn't suffer from Tourette's) and he must now lie in that bed.

From the NFL perspective, Jones and Henry have also made their own beds and Goodell is not only making both men lie in them. He's also strapping them down tight. Was his execution hypocritical?

Sure it is, but he still receives 100% of my support. Someone has to nip this thing in the butt. If his actions cleans up this nonsense created by Bengal, Lion--or yes, even Cowboy--players, so be it. This is the National Football League. It should stand for the greatest exhibition of professional football in the world both on and off the field. It should not stand for, imo, epitome of Vince McMahon/professional wresting.

JMO.

 

[superpunk]

My perception would be the same regardless if the source was white, black, brown or purple. Imus got caught saying something which was purposely offensive to others. He's being taken to task over it. He isn't an isolated case. Jesse Jackson ( ) once used the word 'hymie'. He never should have used it. Jews were offended. He was taken to task over it. Imus made his bed by initially flapping his lips (even though he doesn't suffer from Tourette's) and he must now lie in that bed.

I'm not sure you're understanding what I mean by the perception comment. It had nothing to do with race, that was just the analogy.

From the NFL perspective, Jones and Henry have also made their own beds and Goodell is not only making both men lie in them. He's also strapping them down tight. Was his execution hypocritical?

Sure it is, but he still receives 100% of my support. Someone has to nip this thing in the butt. If his actions cleans up this nonsense created by Bengal, Lion--or yes, even Cowboy--players, so be it. This is the National Football League. It should stand for the greatest exhibition of professional football in the world both on and off the field. It should not stand for, imo, epitome of Vince McMahon/professional wresting.

JMO.

IMO, guys acting up off the field doesn't make it WWE.

Haynesworth and Merriman do - almost exactly. We agree that it's hypocritical - I just don't support Goodell's execution in it's hypocrisy. I think it's unfair given the precedent HE set in dealing with far worse on-the-field issues. And I don't understand why it needed to be.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm not sure you're understanding what I mean by the perception comment. It had nothing to do with race, that was just the analogy.

My personal perception is as unambiguous as it is color-blind. Hope that helps.

IMO, guys acting up off the field doesn't make it WWE.

Haynesworth and Merriman do - almost exactly. We agree that it's hypocritical - I just don't support Goodell's execution in it's hypocrisy. I think it's unfair given the precedent HE set in dealing with far worse on-the-field issues. And I don't understand why it needed to be.

He's not going to be perfect in his punishments for infractions both on and off the field. I can only hope that he is willing to do whatever he deems necessary to put a stop to the nonsense in both areas. He's going to have the hypocritic label applied to him. As long as he can generate positive results, I could care less how people feel about him personally.