pacman will decide..

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Cowboys2008;2008616 said:
I don't think an acquisition of Pacman changes anything, not during the prelude or the after-thought. Our intention is to go for McFadden, period. No one player we pick up, no rumor-mill running wild, no combination of people we could draft at 22 & 28, and no magically fixing stud wr that would cost us a first to get, is going to change that. No outlandish cost. No bundle of insatiable picks. No glaring needs at another position or two. No nothing is going to stop Jerry from trying to move heaven 'n earth to acquire Dmac. He's a Cowboy come the end of April. He's the new #21. If Jerry can get it done.

Aside from the "wow" comment, Jerry straight out said he doesn't wish to follow old traits of keeping the pick or trading down to acquire multiple picks. He thinks maybe that's been the problem instead of actually going for that "difference maker". Jerry's got a hunger in his gut and it's for a Super Bowl. He's sick, just like the rest of us, of would-bes, could-bes, and should've beens, that it's time to go for the gold and stop pissing around with number one picks. Dmac is that "gold". The rest of the players some of yall want to pick....see above- a bunch of bes and eventual beens unless we were to get really lucky.

As for the WR pipe-dream we all have.. I believe it can still be done without either of this year's #1s. Williams, Johnson or Boldin, and I'm perfectly fine with next year's #1 and a pick or 2 more, if that's what it takes. For one of those 3 on this already deep team, sacraficing this year and next years draft with McFadden included for us...hell yeah.

while we're focusing on what he said - let's not put down him saying the #1 priority is putting from across from el dorado. so unless mcfadden is going to be switched to a WR, we have yet another contradiction in the mcfadden theory.

so again, people hear what they want to hear out of what jones says. mcfadden is far the bigger 'pipe dream' due to his cost then bolden or williams would be due to their own and immediate KNOWN impact vs. HOPE for mcfadden.

mcfadden would cost us a known WR and a starting CB and then even more. you'd be creating holes and ignoring holes to get this "fools gold" you see so shiney.
 

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TonyRomo#9;2008496 said:
whether we get mcfadden...imo
the more i think about it, the more i think that, if we get pacman we will move up for mcfadden. 3 main needs are CB, RB, and WR. we can get top 10 pic talent in CB and RB, and get a WR in the second, as all the WR in this draft are roughly 2nd round talent. there will be some drafted in the first, but none that deserve to be.

i'm posting this to get yalls thoughts on it, am i crazy?
I knew better.

But I couldn't help it.

I tried to stop.

But, ultimately, I clicked on this thread.

I'm starting to miss the QC/Hutch/Henson debates.
 

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iceberg;2008619 said:
mcfadden would cost us a known WR and a starting CB and then even more. you'd be creating holes and ignoring holes to get this "fools gold" you see so shiney.

thats just not true

how do you know this? if he trades for Jones he has the CB thing addressed. And no, it isnt worth drafting ANOTHER CB in rd one after we acquire him. I could see adding one somewhere else (maybe 2nd, 3rd or 4th rd) but there's absolutely no need for a CB in the 1st if they've got Jones

So what if he makes every legit offer he can to get a R Williams, Boldin or even Chad Johnson and everyone says no? Maybe he then decides to move up for McFadden (again, if he can because thats certainly not a given)

David
 

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iceberg;2008619 said:
while we're focusing on what he said - let's not put down him saying the #1 priority is putting from across from el dorado. so unless mcfadden is going to be switched to a WR, we have yet another contradiction in the mcfadden theory.

so again, people hear what they want to hear out of what jones says. mcfadden is far the bigger 'pipe dream' due to his cost then bolden or williams would be due to their own and immediate KNOWN impact vs. HOPE for mcfadden.

mcfadden would cost us a known WR and a starting CB and then even more. you'd be creating holes and ignoring holes to get this "fools gold" you see so shiney.
This is what seems to be ignored, even when Jerry was talking about his "wow" player I think he also mentioned something about someone to pair with TO and Witten which sounds more like a WR. He also said more juice which would be a wr with speed. I doubt the Cowboys have an opportunity to get McFadden if he goes fairly high its if he drops some (where the price in picks and salary also drop) where Jerry could get interested.
 

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dbair1967;2008644 said:
thats just not true

how do you know this? if he trades for Jones he has the CB thing addressed. And no, it isnt worth drafting ANOTHER CB in rd one after we acquire him. I could see adding one somewhere else (maybe 2nd, 3rd or 4th rd) but there's absolutely no need for a CB in the 1st if they've got Jones

So what if he makes every legit offer he can to get a R Williams, Boldin or even Chad Johnson and everyone says no? Maybe he then decides to move up for McFadden (again, if he can because thats certainly not a given)

David
don't bother man. iceberg doesn't even think it's possible that we even go after mcfadden.
 

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TonyRomo#9;2008496 said:
whether we get mcfadden...imo
the more i think about it, the more i think that, if we get pacman we will move up for mcfadden. 3 main needs are CB, RB, and WR. we can get top 10 pic talent in CB and RB, and get a WR in the second, as all the WR in this draft are roughly 2nd round talent. there will be some drafted in the first, but none that deserve to be.

i'm posting this to get yalls thoughts on it, am i crazy?

Everyone thinks I am crazy for saying exactly this. Welcome to the crazy party.
 

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Hmmmm.....

McFadden and a time bomb of a CB?

or

a Williams/Boldin, round 1 CB, round 2 RB, and time bomb of a CB combo?

I'll take the second option.
 

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Rampage;2008647 said:
don't bother man. iceberg doesn't even think it's possible that we even go after mcfadden.

and you choose to ignore where i said it's possible, just butt-nugget stupid.

there *is* a difference. it's also possible you'll get that one day. see, i'm open to anything. some are just more "do-able" than others.
 

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Rampage;2008519 said:
i thought the same thing with jerry bringing in pacman it would mean we go after darren. it definetly makes sense but idk ive thought out so many scenarios of why we could or could not go after mcfadden i can't set my mind on one yet.


Well, great minds.................
 

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big dog cowboy;2008640 said:
I knew better.

But I couldn't help it.

I tried to stop.

But, ultimately, I clicked on this thread.

I'm starting to miss the QC/Hutch/Henson debates.


30 more days BDC...30 more days.
 

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tomson75;2008654 said:
Hmmmm.....

McFadden and a time bomb of a CB?

or

a Williams/Boldin, round 1 CB, round 2 RB, and time bomb of a CB combo?

I'll take the second option.

ok fine...now go convince the GM's/ownership of one of those teams to do that trade and get back with us

and you left off McFadden, time bomb CB, drafted CB...unless you like so many others believe we wont have any draft picks left

David
 

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dbair1967;2008644 said:
thats just not true

how do you know this? if he trades for Jones he has the CB thing addressed. And no, it isnt worth drafting ANOTHER CB in rd one after we acquire him. I could see adding one somewhere else (maybe 2nd, 3rd or 4th rd) but there's absolutely no need for a CB in the 1st if they've got Jones

So what if he makes every legit offer he can to get a R Williams, Boldin or even Chad Johnson and everyone says no? Maybe he then decides to move up for McFadden (again, if he can because thats certainly not a given)

David

because moving up to get him will take both our 1sts and probably next years also. 3 picks - you lose 3 potential starters cause you're "superstar" hungry.

and i still believe we go high on CB cause taking 1 gamble on pacman is iffy, taking 2 is stupid. cover your bases just the same and address an obvious position of need vs. a shiney one of want.
 

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big dog cowboy;2008640 said:
I'm starting to miss the QC/Hutch/Henson debates.
:chainsaw: :chop: :whip: :angryno: :grrr: :devil: :explode:
 

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DallasEast;2008674 said:
:chainsaw: :chop: :whip: :angryno: :grrr: :devil: :explode:

we all know hutch was the best, then carter, then henson.
 

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dbair1967;2008666 said:
ok fine...now go convince the GM's/ownership of one of those teams to do that trade and get back with us

and you left off McFadden, time bomb CB, drafted CB...unless you like so many others believe we wont have any draft picks left

David

Our #22 and a 3rd for Boldin or Williams is more likely than us getting into position to get McFadden without giving up at least three of our top four picks this year. IMO.

It's not like you have any more clue as to what the asking prices are going to be come draft say than anyone else. We dont' even know where these players are on team's draft boards. Those stupid value charts are essentially garbage...see where I'm going here?

So, you can cry about people that disagree with you to your hearts' content, and I'll just sit back and watch.
 

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iceberg;2008676 said:
we all know hutch was the best, then carter, then henson.
Iceberg a.k.a. Jerry :shoot1: :shoot3: :shoot2:





Just say no to repeating that madness!!!!!! :mad:

:cool:
 

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dbair1967;2008666 said:
ok fine...now go convince the GM's/ownership of one of those teams to do that trade and get back with us

and you left off McFadden, time bomb CB, drafted CB...unless you like so many others believe we wont have any draft picks left

David

Now go convince the Raiders, Jets or Pats to trade out of the top ten for 22 and 28.

Boldin, 85 and RW are all unhappy and wanting to leave. There is substance there as well as substance to Dallas trying to aquire one of them. There is zero substance to the above.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2008684 said:
Now go convince the Raiders, Jets or Pats to trade out of the top ten for 22 and 28.

Boldin, 85 and RW are all unhappy and wanting to leave. There is substance there as well as substance to Dallas trying to aquire one of them. There is zero substance to the above.


Sounds about right.
 

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dbair1967;2008644 said:
thats just not true

how do you know this? if he trades for Jones he has the CB thing addressed. And no, it isnt worth drafting ANOTHER CB in rd one after we acquire him. I could see adding one somewhere else (maybe 2nd, 3rd or 4th rd) but there's absolutely no need for a CB in the 1st if they've got Jones

So what if he makes every legit offer he can to get a R Williams, Boldin or even Chad Johnson and everyone says no? Maybe he then decides to move up for McFadden (again, if he can because thats certainly not a given)

David

If Dallas gets Jones, they had better prepare as though they might not have him because at any possible second they just might not.

Getting Jones should do nothing to the cowboys draft plans as of right now.
 

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pacman is just a gamble at a position of need, not an answer to it. getting pacman should not alter our plans to get top talent at cb via the draft.
 
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