CFZ Padded Helmets, Pillowy Lies & Poison

[TheMarathonContinues]

I know Jerry will pay a massive amount of $ to keep Micah here, I just hope it doesn't kill the team to do so.

I mean it’s keep him or don’t keep him. You’d kill your team not bringing him back.

 

[Aven8]

You guys are something lol
Duus is great and you decide this after 1 PS game where he only played in 4th against the lowest level Jags to play that night !
Good grief at least wait till he plays in a real game.

Turpin looked awesome last PS, then real games not so great, but ok.

Parsons, will get a big payday, I wonder if he is worth it, as all he focused on is sack records, and power rushing the qb.
Both seasons so far he is wore out by the playoffs. And a few sacks a game ( which are just tackles lol) dont really help the team win games.
Phil took him out of the game and didnt even block him.
Did he help dallas in either of the SF playoff games ??

I say just give him a mahomes deal and be done with it, 500 mil for 10 years.

If we go to the SB it’s going to be because of Micah. This is becoming his team now.

 

[Flamma]

After next season and by America’s Team. Jerry will be very happy he finally got back to back super bowls again.

After next season? Not a chance. After this season he will be paid a king's ransom. Players you want to keep get extended after their 3rd rookie year.

 

[DogFace]

I want to say this (I haven't read all the Martin threads --- I only had to read Bob Haze thread). Martin was under contract AND when he signed that contract he was among the highest paid OL in The League. Jerry didn't underpay him at the time. Some dangerous precedents being set IMO.

There needs to be holdout protection in these contracts that protect the team interests.


Agree that Deuce is the real deal and will be an asset to the offense.

They might get that protection if the players got guaranteed contracts like the other pro Leagues.

 

[blueblood70]

You are exactly right. It happens every year with a couple of high profile players. It just happened to be Zack Martin this year for us. Chris Jones is holding out for KC. He is probably the best DL in the league at the moment and I don't hear much about his hold out and how it will cripple the Chiefs, blah, blah, blah.

I get ya and agree.

chris is good but Aaron Donald's the best interior defensive lineman in the league. he's top five it already is paid a lot of money...so who knows where that's going.

dont forget Nick Bosa and Justin jacobs, Taylors not happy.. jerry jones was going to pay Zack no matter what , the hold out was unnecessary, and the media coverage was ridiculous.

if you go look at my post on Zack martin holdout, i said he would be back game 1 regardless of new deal or not and would het paid before 2024.. we can stop talking about the cowboys about the holdouts and whatnot. also, no more talk about zeke possibly coming back, less distractions now..

 

[Flamma]

Post of the week, but only if we follow-up with the questions
-How soon?
-By whom?

We all don't want to think about it (I sure don't)...but this issue is gonna press in sooner than we wish.

I'm ok if you all wish to talk Deuce instead.

I think we both know Parsons is getting an extension after this season. It's better off that he does anyway considering how big the contract is going to be. They can use the last two years of his rookie contract to help spread out that money. The only thing extra going against the cap would be a prorated signing bonus. His big cap hit isn't coming until 2026. Even if they extend him after this year.

 

[blueblood70]

The choice is- keep Parsons or don’t keep Parsons. I would prefer keeping him.

there is precedent though. we've seen guys like Mack and Miller other like Ramseys traded in their primes because the teams didn't feel they wore worth that first big contract or the demands those players had, Like THill , KC moved on from arguably the top WR in the league and didn't blink...

the number of draft picks and other compensation sometimes can be wash. you have to decide what hes worth..

he definitely not worth qb money and right now MP is great but hes not leading in any of the big stat category's that typically get you paid,

so hes top 5 in the league on D but being paid some record and the most by any defender ever, not sure i agree he should be paid top 5 money but tops all time..umm .. not yet

on that note how does Mazi, Overshown, sam williams, and others develop, do they get to point where Parsons leaving can be covered up, use the draft picks you get from him on anther DE/pass rushing OLB??

that's the conundrum, we know that being a GM isnt easy in these situations. fan faves and productive players who might cost too much too keep..

 

[Mannix]

This won't be one of my multi-segmented deep explorations. Just 3 quick thoughts:

1. Padded helmets make everyone look silly, but they make Deuce look like an 11 year old. Get over your "eye test"... it's only playing mind tricks on you and making you silly-fool. Vaughn is the one who knocks. Doubters destined to fold.

2. Speaking of folding...I initially wanted Jerry to make a stand with Zack, and he sure tried to plant his flag, albeit from the sinking sand of false confidence. After my initial posts I paused myself and actually thought about it. Martin had the iron claw of leverage, a very valid case he'd been underpaid for several years, and it was inevitable Jerry would yield, given the lack of any legitimate depth on the offensive line. We now know the outcome.

3. Poison? Micah Parsons is wicked smart. He watched this Zack saga unfold and he took notes, with whatever Lion claw-scratch calligraphy he's now crafted. The harsh truth? Micah's not going to submissively play out his contract. He's "obligated" to play through 2024 without a penny more than 5.5 mil AV. If you think it will play out as simply and comfortably as that...you silly.

Guarantee that wearing those ridiculous helmets in games is right around the corner....I really hate this wussified league right now.

 

[Bobhaze]

there is precedent though. we've seen guys like Mack and Miller other like Ramseys traded in their primes because the teams didn't feel they wore worth that first big contract or the demands those players had, Like THill , KC moved on from arguably the top WR in the league and didn't blink...

the number of draft picks and other compensation sometimes can be wash. you have to decide what hes worth..

he definitely not worth qb money and right now MP is great but hes not leading in any of the big stat category's that typically get you paid,

so hes top 5 in the league on D but being paid some record and the most by any defender ever, not sure i agree he should be paid top 5 money but tops all time..umm .. not yet

on that note how does Mazi, Overshown, sam williams, and others develop, do they get to point where Parsons leaving can be covered up, use the draft picks you get from him on anther DE/pass rushing OLB??

that's the conundrum, we know that being a GM isnt easy in these situations. fan faves and productive players who might cost too much too keep..

Some good points here Blue.

My take:

• There is a lot more money in the pie than Jerry and other owners and GMs are willing to admit. I understand why- they have to keep some kind of financial order. But the cap gets bigger and bigger every year. There will be plenty of money for Parsons or whoever this team wants to keep.
• IMO there‘s a difference between a great player you want to keep and a player who transcends just being great. A player like Parsons has first ballot HOF talent and can give your team a chance to be competitive just with him on the roster.
• His presence is part of the development of young players like Mazi and Sam W.
• You always find a way to keep guys like that.

 

[blueblood70]

Some good points here Blue.

My take:

• There is a lot more money in the pie than Jerry and other owners and GMs are willing to admit. I understand why- they have to keep some kind of financial order. But the cap gets bigger and bigger every year. There will be plenty of money for Parsons or whoever this team wants to keep.
• IMO there‘s a difference between a great player you want to keep and a player who transcends just being great. A player like Parsons has first ballot HOF talent and can give your team a chance to be competitive just with him on the roster.
• You always find a way to keep guys like that.

Yes, he does have first ballot talent Potential. but let's be clear here he has yet to reach that point yet, he's barely top five in many categories, so he has potential to be Lawrence Taylor, but right now he's just on the path to that point. so it's up to the team to figure out ....do you pay him like he's Lawrence taylor in hopes that he does become Lawrence taylor?? but what if he doesn't?

There's a lot of great linebackers and pass rushers that put up much more impressive stats at this point... talking many more sacks tackles, and other things... so hes top 5 but not the TOP..

Of course, I want to keep the guy, that's priority #1, but what if his demands are ridiculous holds out for 40 million?? Wants quarterback money and yet still only getting 13 sacks a year. when guys like the bosas and others like tj etc putting up 22 plus sacks or LBs getting 125 tackles and Ints and fumble recoveries??

 

[Flamma]

there is precedent though. we've seen guys like Mack and Miller other like Ramseys traded in their primes because the teams didn't feel they wore worth that first big contract or the demands those players had, Like THill , KC moved on from arguably the top WR in the league and didn't blink...

the number of draft picks and other compensation sometimes can be wash. you have to decide what hes worth..

he definitely not worth qb money and right now MP is great but hes not leading in any of the big stat category's that typically get you paid,

so hes top 5 in the league on D but being paid some record and the most by any defender ever, not sure i agree he should be paid top 5 money but tops all time..umm .. not yet

on that note how does Mazi, Overshown, sam williams, and others develop, do they get to point where Parsons leaving can be covered up, use the draft picks you get from him on anther DE/pass rushing OLB??

that's the conundrum, we know that being a GM isnt easy in these situations. fan faves and productive players who might cost too much too keep..

I agree with most of what you say, but IMO if you believe you're a serious contender, you pay the guy. If you're the Raiders or Jacksonville, yeah, trade them. What point in paying them if you're not going anywhere. Better to get the draft picks and rebuild. But the Cowboys are in a win now mode. That's how I look at it.

As far as what he'll be paid, probably in the 30s. My opinion on where in the 30s really doesn't matter.

 

[blueblood70]

I agree with most of what you say, but IMO if you believe you're a serious contender, you pay the guy. If you're the Raiders or Jacksonville, yeah, trade them. What point in paying them if you're not going anywhere. Better to get the draft picks and rebuild. But the Cowboys are in a win now mode. That's how I look at it.

As far as what he'll be paid, probably in the 30s. My opinion on where in the 30s really doesn't matter.

Yes pay the guy but how much? How much value is Parsons putting on himself? And I agree if we are still in the win now mode, the only way we're doing that is if we extend Prescott, lowers his cap hit etcetera

so this scenario though if we don't keep Prescott and we need to get a quarterback that's almost starting over, so then what do you do with Parsons you can use all that draft capital to go get another quarterback and you can continue with these young guys we already have on defense that look like they have a lot of potential.. So yeah there's some scenarios that are gonna depend on if Parson stays here or not but yes I think everybody wants him to be here I mean you have the owner mentioning his name about him needing to get paid but how far is he willing to go with that pay scale?

Right now Chris Jones and nick bosa are holding out so we're gonna find out where these markets keep going for a defensive end or a defensive lineman, but we all know Parson is a hybrid right now he's not leading in any categories...

we all know how valuable he is but he's not filling up the stat sheet with sacks or fumbles interceptions or leading the league in tackles.. It will be interesting for sure I don't wanna stress about it when the time comes we'll know just like I knew Zach Martin was gonna be here at game one regardless of his contract.. Jerry would have paid him now or he would have paid him before next season I don't believe Zach was ever gonna miss a game this year.

 

[DFWJC]

By not giving in immediately, I suspect Jerry saved the team and self anywhere from 10-30 million.
it was a win-win negotiation

 

[Techsass]

1. The padded helmets do look goofy, but I don't really think that's an issue. They can fix the look pretty easily, if they want to start using them in regular games. I really don't know if the added safety is a major or minor upgrade.

2. I never thought the Martin holdout was a heated argument.

3. Parsons is worth a lot of money. Quinn uses him differently throughout the game and I don't think Parsons has been a liability at whichever task he is focusing on.

 

[Flamma]

Yes pay the guy but how much? How much value is Parsons putting on himself? And I agree if we are still in the win now mode, the only way we're doing that is if we extend Prescott, lowers his cap hit etcetera

so this scenario though if we don't keep Prescott and we need to get a quarterback that's almost starting over, so then what do you do with Parsons you can use all that draft capital to go get another quarterback and you can continue with these young guys we already have on defense that look like they have a lot of potential.. So yeah there's some scenarios that are gonna depend on if Parson stays here or not but yes I think everybody wants him to be here I mean you have the owner mentioning his name about him needing to get paid but how far is he willing to go with that pay scale?

Right now Chris Jones and nick bosa are holding out so we're gonna find out where these markets keep going for a defensive end or a defensive lineman, but we all know Parson is a hybrid right now he's not leading in any categories...

we all know how valuable he is but he's not filling up the stat sheet with sacks or fumbles interceptions or leading the league in tackles.. It will be interesting for sure I don't wanna stress about it when the time comes we'll know just like I knew Zach Martin was gonna be here at game one regardless of his contract.. Jerry would have paid him now or he would have paid him before next season I don't believe Zach was ever gonna miss a game this year.

That's a good point. If after this year they decide to move on Dak, getting a QB is of the upmost importance. Parsons is their ticket to do it. But do we really think they're moving on from Dak? But I do agree it is a legit path to bettering the team, although many would disagree.

Again, if I had to guess, we'll be paying Parsons anywhere between 32-35M per. Like you said, we'll have to wait and see what Jones and Bosa get. IMO the 49ers made a mistake in not extending Bosa after 2021. What is their thinking here? They wasted one rookie year to spread out his cap hit. Maybe they have no intention on extending him?

Regardless if Parsons isn't filling in the stat sheet like the best player ever, our D would be different without him. Yes, I believe he'll be overpaid. I'm not sure there's an alternative other than the situation you described above.

 

[john van brocklin]

This won't be one of my multi-segmented deep explorations. Just 3 quick thoughts:

1. Padded helmets make everyone look silly, but they make Deuce look like an 11 year old. Get over your "eye test"... it's only playing mind tricks on you and making you silly-fool. Vaughn is the one who knocks. Doubters destined to fold.

2. Speaking of folding...I initially wanted Jerry to make a stand with Zack, and he sure tried to plant his flag, albeit from the sinking sand of false confidence. After my initial posts I paused myself and actually thought about it. Martin had the iron claw of leverage, a very valid case he'd been underpaid for several years, and it was inevitable Jerry would yield, given the lack of any legitimate depth on the offensive line. We now know the outcome.

3. Poison? Micah Parsons is wicked smart. He watched this Zack saga unfold and he took notes, with whatever Lion claw-scratch calligraphy he's now crafted. The harsh truth? Micah's not going to submissively play out his contract. He's "obligated" to play through 2024 without a penny more than 5.5 mil AV. If you think it will play out as simply and comfortably as that...you silly.

Yep, Jerry set a very dangerous precedent with all the young bucks coming up for contracts.
This is what happens when your GM is not really a GM.

 

[Bobhaze]

1. The padded helmets do look goofy, but I don't really think that's an issue. They can fix the look pretty easily, if they want to start using them in regular games. I really don't know if the added safety is a major or minor upgrade.

2. I never thought the Martin holdout was a heated argument.

3. Parsons is worth a lot of money. Quinn uses him differently throughout the game and I don't think Parsons has been a liability at whichever task he is focusing on.

I think there’s a general misunderstanding of the purpose of the helmet pads.

Those pads are used based on recent research on brain injuries that showed CTE brain injuries can occur through accumulation of hits (like in practice) as much as one savage hit in a game. By using them in practice it reduces the number of total helmet hits that can cause long term brain damage.

As silly as we all think they look, those of us who love football should be appreciative of these pads and their ability to make the game safer for its players and make the game last in the future.

 

[Whirlwin]

It is absurd that Parsons is willing to show up and play but Martin was not.

Not really

 

[INCowboysFan]

I think there’s a general misunderstanding of the purpose of the helmet pads.

Those pads are used based on recent research on brain injuries that showed CTE brain injuries can occur through accumulation of hits (li’e in practice) as much as one savage hit in a game. By using them in practice it reduces the number of total helmet hits that can cause long term brain damage.

As silly as we all think they look, those of us who love football should be appreciative of these pads and their ability to make the game safer for its players and make the game last in the future.

I get the point, but most of these camp practices are 3/4 speed at best and you don't see tackling guys to the ground at all. The "hits" they are taking are so minor as to not be an issue, at least IMO. But hey, the NFL can say they are still all about player safety by doing this.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

I noticed that as well, they do look funny. But if it cuts down on chances of TC concussions, so be it. Deuce does look like a kid out there. But that kid may be a catalyst of some big plays. Maybe not the 40 to 90 yards TD plays, but some key 1st downs and extra yards. He could have some long TD's though, just not every run like many may think. And he will have times he will get stuffed as well at the LOS.

Jerry did not cave. Everyone knew all along a new deal would get done. Anyone thinking it would go on and on were fooling themselves. A deal always gets done by all teams. It is just not Jerry as fans want to believe that to whine about him.

Micah and his looming contract is not poison, it could be icing on the cake. If he is the best or top 5 defensive players in the NFL. He will get his $$$$. Just let them make it them friendly, and not a huge back loaded contract. Like Dak's hit of $59 million in 2024. Now that is poison regardless of how bad or how good he plays.

If Parsons can stay healthy he will get a really good raise. We all know he can play ball and is a game changer but he is getting banged up and I believe it is affecting his play later on in the season. We will see how he does as the season progresses. He is exciting to watch.