Parcells and the future

[Bob Sacamano]

BP can't even spell dynasty, he sure as hell never built one.

get real, BB built New England Patriots into a Dynasty without any
help from the Jersey Conman.

some of the key players in those Super Bowl runs were acquired when parcells was there, McGinnest, Bruschi, Ty Law

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Your wrong here man, BP didn't get to shop for the groceries then.
They weren't his draft picks...that's why he left supposedly

they weren't all his draft picks, such as Terry GLenn, but Parcells' hands weren't completely tied

 

[Bob Sacamano]

[FONT=&quot]Saying he had minimal impact on NE's Superbowls IMO is like saying Adam Vinatieri is an avg kicker in fact with out him we are not even talking about a Patriot Dynasty.

As one poster already said the foundation of that dynasty was poured by Parcells... You can not take anything away from Belichick for winning 3 Superbowls and he deserves all the praise and admiration he gets from fans and supporters... however you also can not deny the star talent he inherited.... lets review...Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Lawyer Milloy, Ted Johnson, Teddy Bruschi, Ty Law, Willie McGinest, and Adam Vinatieri.... not to mention the solid coaching staff Parcells left him with Charlie Wise. Romeo Crennel, Pepper Johnson, and Mangini among others.... but that’s not all Parcells son 'n' law is head of there personal department... there is no doubt in my mind Parcells fingerprints were all over that Dynasty.[/FONT]

every bit of it

 

[Bob Sacamano]

p.s. Tom Brady is lucky he wasn't playing under BP....JMO

BS, the only reason Tom Brady ever got to see the field in the 1st place was an injury to Bledsoe

and dont' forget, Parcells started Bledsoe as a rookie

 

[Bob Sacamano]

may I ask why you hate parcells so much?

he's already made it quite clear, Parcells is from Jersey, he's a Yankee, guess that doesn't sit too well with hogwild now that he's the Cowboy's coach, hogwild, the Civil War is over :laugh2:

 

[hogwild]

hmm, let's see.... Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Walsh, Johnson, and Belichick... any other coaches have "dynasties"??

Lots of great coaches haven't coached "dynasties," doesn't take away from the fact that BP is one of the greatest coaches of all time. You can't deny the fact that BB learned from BP and in NE, most of the coaching staff was under the tutelage of BP.

the "BP is one of the greatest coaches of all time"
is one i whole-heartedly disagree with.
He has done nothing to be put in the same breath as Lombardi.Landry
Noll,Walsh or BB... I give you JJ
Why he gets so much love is really something that amazes me.

 

[BigDFan5]

There is alot of doubt in mine. BP left the JETS not NE last
Why don't we just say that BP first year here was 10-6 ... that was because
all the talent Campo left ,so Campo gets credit for that yr?
Doesn't make sense does it.
Show me a dynasty BP has built , you can't

Talent campo left?? ***

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He has done nothing to be put in the same breath as Lombardi.Landry
Noll,Walsh or BB...

yep, he's only taken 4 different franchises to the playoffs, something Lombardi, Landry, Noll, Wash and BB have never done, has 2 championships to his credit, I wouldn't exactly call him a slouch coach

 

[BigDFan5]

the "BP is one of the greatest coaches of all time"
is one i whole-heartedly disagree with.
He has done nothing to be put in the same breath as Lombardi.Landry
Noll,Walsh or BB... I give you JJ
Why he gets so much love is really something that amazes me.

Never done nothing? wth you can not be serious

 

[hogwild]

may I ask why you hate parcells so much?
oh ya and I am going to bed now, so I can't hit you with a firey response, but I will try my best in the morning.

I don't HATE him. I just don't like his style football. his play calling
His fata@@ on the sideline, His arrogance, his conservatism.
He is apart of the Giants history to me and always will be,the enemy.
younger people probably don't get it....but i am going to bed too
we can finish this up tomorrow

 

[hogwild]

Never done nothing? wth you can not be serious

totally.... but it's too late now

 

[BigDFan5]

totally.... but it's too late now

If you were serious I have to doubt your knowledge of the game because to say Parcells has never done anything in his career is ludicrous the man will be in the hall of fame.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you were serious I have to doubt your knowledge of the game because to say Parcells has never done anything in his career is ludicrous the man will be in the hall of fame.

if you haven't doubted Hogwild's knowledge of the game before, then you haven't read any of his posts before now, all *****ing, no substance

 

[peplaw06]

the "BP is one of the greatest coaches of all time"
is one i whole-heartedly disagree with.
He has done nothing to be put in the same breath as Lombardi.Landry
Noll,Walsh or BB... I give you JJ
Why he gets so much love is really something that amazes me.

My point was there aren't too many coaches who have coached dynasties... A dynasty alone doesn't mean the coach is great. Coaches can be great without coaching dynasties.

Saying he's not great because he hasn't coached a dynasty is ********. BB followed BP around like a little kid and now he's become one of your so called great coaches, but the teacher can't get no love?? ***?

 

[Apluz]

There is alot of doubt in mine. BP left the JETS not NE last
Why don't we just say that BP first year here was 10-6 ... that was because
all the talent Campo left ,so Campo gets credit for that yr?
Doesn't make sense does it.
Show me a dynasty BP has built , you can't

BP left NE way before he left the Jets… but not before leading them to a Superbowl appearance in 96.

When Parcells left he took his assistants with him to the NYJ and hurt New England even further by stealing his star running back (Curtis Martin) away from them on top of it. With Kraft calling the shots the team was in disarray… for those of you wondering why the Pats sucked after Parcells left theirs your clue…. Learning from his mistake (like Jerry Jones has) the first chance he got, Kraft hired the next best thing to Parcells in 2000 and the rest is history.

But there are a couple of side notes… Belichick had crashed and burned in Cleveland and was reportedly blackballed by the ‘good ol boy club’ of owners who took offense to how he left the Browns [FONT=&quot]floundering[/FONT] searching for a new Coach as the team moved to Baltimore, but even before that the Browns fans had an axe to grind with Belichick because of the way he jettisoned Bernie Koser (sp?)… at the time Belichick couldn’t even get an interview for a Head Coaching job. Parcells then hired Belichick as an assistant to DC Crennel in 96… Later when the Jets came knocking on Parcells door he instead that they higher his old coaching staff and a few days later they honored Belichick by naming him the Jets interim Head Coach 10 days later Parcells was named as there head coach…. I do not know if this is a significant event but a few years later Parcells set it up for Belichick to become the Jets HC… he then announces his retirement and the Jets announce Belichick as their new HC…. Only to have Belichick back out shortly there after to sign with the Pats.

I’m guessing that when Belichick was hired by the Jets as interim HC he felt he should have been the HC so with some resentment against the Jets owner he jumped at the chance to coach the Pats serving as a double edged sword for Kraft against Parcells and the Jets. Kraft also gave Belichick total control of the team witch was the very thing he and Parcells struggled over.

To me it’s no wonder why the Pats struggled after Parcells and Co left town… and although it may sound like I’m bashing Belichick… I truly feel their is no way you can take his accomplishments away from him… all I’m saying is if you take a step back and look at the core of talent that was on that team there is no way you can say Parcells fingerprints were not all over that team….. Let’s not forget Belichick was a protégé of Parcells not the other way around so even if you ignore the rest of my rant (players, assistants, and front office personnel) that one shouldn’t be denied.

Anyways this debate could probably go on for days… IMO both coaches are solid.

 

[littlewebs]

Okay, crazy idea here: Parcells and Belichick are both tremendous coaches. Chiseled from the same stone. Carved from the same wood. Whatever. Parcells has never had a full-fledged dynasty. Okay. But are we all too blind to see what seems to be the most obvious point about this entire thing?

Bill Belichick has had a dominating run in New England because he drafted the best quarterback in the NFL in the 6th round, pick #199.

Does no one else see that this is the key to the entire New England dynasty? The "Patriot Dynasty" fell into Bill Belichick's lap! Brady wasn't even supposed to play. It was nothing short of a miracle that it turned out this way for the Patriots. Belichick never had to really invest in developing a QB (by far your most important position). It happened all by chance.

And let's not forget the Tuck Rule Game. The Pats only have the 03 and 04 titles then, and this "dynasty" talk isn't as big a deal.

Belichick is a great coach, but he gets way too much credit for this run by New England. Tom Brady is what has made this dynasty happen. We aren't even arguing over this if not for him.

Now go on and argue more about the coaches and forget about that guy that wears #12 for them. He's nobody anyway.

 

[Apluz]

You make some good points about Brady... he was a stroke of pure luck.... I know Bledsoe is not the QB he is but It's possible the Pats still win a few with him at QB. I know for a fact without Bledsoe stepping in for an injured Brady and pulling off a come from behind victory there also would be no talk of a dynasty.

I remember the tuck rule game...

I also remember Adam Vinatieri kicking game winning FG in the snow, and hitting the game winners with time ticking off in more then one of those Superbowls....

I remember Willie McGinest stuffing Edge 4th and goal from the 1....

I remember Ty Law picking off Manning setting up the go ahead FG....

I remember Teddy Bruschi ripping the ball out of Eddie George's hands to hault a marching Titans team from taking the lead....

I remember Lawyer Milloy blowing up peeps and stricking fear in anything that move....

Their is a lot of things we are not talking about Tom Brady is just one of those things IMO.

 

[burmafrd]

Just ignore the oinking from hog. He is about as credible as kartr.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

IMO Bill Bill will give us 2 years....that is it!

 

[hogwild]

Just ignore the oinking from hog. He is about as credible as kartr.

why do you even bother posting ,you know absolutely nothing
worth posting.
I knew more about football way back when i was 2 than you know now.
Just because somebody doesn't believe in the almighty BP , He must
be clueless. Your ignorant