Parcells needs to put up or shutup/leave

[superpunk]

But Al's post seems to nitpick a lot of stupid crap without looking at the big picture of a franchise with absolutely positively zero hope 4 years ago suddenly being filled with a lot of it.

There comes a time when "hope" needs to translate to results.

I think this needs to be that time.

 

[Hostile]

THose 53 guys putting on pads and helmets are much better than the 53 guys who were putting on pads and helmets for us 4 years ago.

A massive part of the reason why is Bill Parcells.

I'm not saying there haven't been some major hiccups along the way (the entire 2004 offseason comes to mind), but if you are going to officially declare with your 25000th post that the Boys are Back In Town, then it seems a bit odd to me that you are trying to deflect credit away from the guy who is most responsible for it happening.

I know, I know, 26-25 or whatever the record is. One playoff appearance. I get it.

But Al's post seems to nitpick a lot of stupid crap without looking at the big picture of a franchise with absolutely positively zero hope 4 years ago suddenly being filled with a lot of it.

I "tried to deflect credit?" No, I said credit needs to be spread around.

How many on the coaching staff?

How many in the scouting department?

How about Stephen Jones managing the Cap?

Who hired the man?

How about the kids who sweat and bleed and break bones to give us this hope?

I said Al has a point. Oh my gosh, let's jump overboard.

 

[chinch]

Now there is no room for a kind word about Henson's fine effort in NFLE.

BP needs to deliver here, this year period. The guy who chose to bench young Phil Simms in favor of Scott Brunner is far from infallible when it comes to QB evaluation and development.

He's run off Leroi Glover, Dexter Coakley and others and doesn't seem to know when one of his old Parcells guys is finished, Detrick Ward, Richie Anderson, Vinnie T and others.... come on down..

Having sat through the disgraceful loss to Pittsburgh(2004 Vinnie's botched handoff to Richie Anderson) and the going for it on 4th down in his own territory against the Giants in 2004, the 1st cut of Keith Davis, the thowing on the goal line 2 yds short of the endzone against Oakland, the mismangement of the Seattle and Washington (1st ) in 2005 and the purported backing of Jacob Rogers over the objection on many of our scouts, I'm glad Jerry will not cut one of the young QBs but .... now its time to shut up and produce a winner here.
9-7 and ending the season with a lay down vs. the Rams (another game I had the misfortune to witness in person) only suggests that there are coaching staff issues on this team.

nice cherry picking a few bad plays and ignoring many games we stole.

all you needed was to add "bring back jimmuh" to compete the cycle of absurdity.

 

[Hoov]

THose 53 guys putting on pads and helmets are much better than the 53 guys who were putting on pads and helmets for us 4 years ago.

A massive part of the reason why is Bill Parcells.

I'm not saying there haven't been some major hiccups along the way (the entire 2004 offseason comes to mind), but if you are going to officially declare with your 25000th post that the Boys are Back In Town, then it seems a bit odd to me that you are trying to deflect credit away from the guy who is most responsible for it happening.

I know, I know, 26-25 or whatever the record is. One playoff appearance. I get it.

But Al's post seems to nitpick a lot of stupid crap without looking at the big picture of a franchise with absolutely positively zero hope 4 years ago suddenly being filled with a lot of it.

the thing is, if your going to blame Bill for some of the players he brought in here when he first took the job like Vinny, R Anderson and so forth, then you also have to give him credit for the other guys he has brought to dallas and that would include the draft picks that everyone is crowing about and some of the FA's.

 

[wileedog]

I "tried to deflect credit?" No, I said credit needs to be spread around.

How many on the coaching staff?

How many in the scouting department?

How about Stephen Jones managing the Cap?

Who hired the man?

How about the kids who sweat and bleed and break bones to give us this hope?

I said Al has a point. Oh my gosh, let's jump overboard.

WHo hired the coaches?

Who changed the scouting department?

Ok, Stephen Jones is the man, I love him.

Major kudos to Jerry for hiring Bill, but then again, if Jerry didn't have to be convinced to spend money on a kicker maybe we are in the playoffs last year.

Giving credit to the kids is kinda moot. They are bleeding and breaking bones on 31 other teams - some of them quite bad without any hope. The point is finding 53 kids willing to bleed and break bones who are better than the other 31 sets of 53 kids willing to bleed and break bones.

Throwing down an ultimatum on Bill this year is ridiculous, especially when the reasons given are Vinny botching a handoff against Pittsburgh (clearly Bill's fault), cutting Keith Davis (who was shot, and quite frankly is still considered a weak point even now), some lovely hindsight 20/20 game management and a missed draft pick (which every coach has). Its kinda stupid.

I dunno, I just think throwing around silly ultimatums is missing the forest for the trees. THe franchise was nowhere 4 years ago. Now we are arguing about whether our best defensive player pre-Bill should accept his nickel role.

The change in direction is getting lost in the details.

 

[Waffle]

Now there is no room for a kind word about Henson's fine effort in NFLE.

BP needs to deliver here, this year period. The guy who chose to bench young Phil Simms in favor of Scott Brunner is far from infallible when it comes to QB evaluation and development.

He's run off Leroi Glover, Dexter Coakley and others and doesn't seem to know when one of his old Parcells guys is finished, Detrick Ward, Richie Anderson, Vinnie T and others.... come on down..

Having sat through the disgraceful loss to Pittsburgh(2004 Vinnie's botched handoff to Richie Anderson) and the going for it on 4th down in his own territory against the Giants in 2004, the 1st cut of Keith Davis, the thowing on the goal line 2 yds short of the endzone against Oakland, the mismangement of the Seattle and Washington (1st ) in 2005 and the purported backing of Jacob Rogers over the objection on many of our scouts, I'm glad Jerry will not cut one of the young QBs but .... now its time to shut up and produce a winner here.
9-7 and ending the season with a lay down vs. the Rams (another game I had the misfortune to witness in person) only suggests that there are coaching staff issues on this team.

Sheesh! VT was an upgrade to a stoned Quincy Carter, Anderson actually did a good job for us, Keith Davis was cut the first time because he was shot at a strip club, Bledsoe made the wrong read at Oakland, Vinny stumbled into Richie and not Parcells, and your Jacob Rogers statement is pure speculation.

Parcells is far from perfect, but lets not blame him for everything negative.

 

[Hostile]

The change in direction is getting lost in the details.

Go back and read my "75000 word epic." I praised the players and barely mentioned the coaches.

There's no direction change.

 

[TheSkaven]

This is crazy, am I the only one who remembers the string of coaches that we had sitting in Tom Landry's chair between Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells? Take a glance around the league and look at what's out there.

Yeah, Bill hasn't delivered the results that we all expected. But the man can flat out coach. You are underestimating the dirth of talent that we had on this team when he took over in 2003. He willed that team to victory, with Quincy Carter at QB and Troy Hambrick at RB, to a 10-6 record.

Now, is Bill a little too conservative sometimes? Does he sometimes rely on veterans when he could be grooming young talent? Yes on both counts. But those are far from fatal flaws.

Let's keep it real, Bill Parcells is a hall of fame coach and a great teacher. He demands hard work, discipline and football fundamentals. He's the right coach for this football team, and it will be a sad day when he decides to step down.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Convince me our roster isn't better every year. The W's will come.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I don't remember seeing any of our coaches in pads. Coaches are asked questions and give answers, Parcells is just brutally honest. Henson was and is a long shot, big deal. Glover, a cap/philosophy hit. RA played great compared to the can't finish a season stud we have.

Parcells also cut many who arent playing period. Including the goof who can't cutt it in Canada.

We are better today than we have been in a long, long time.

 

[wileedog]

Go back and read my "75000 word epic." I praised the players and barely mentioned the coaches.

There's no direction change.

The players you praised were almost entirely brought in by Bill Parcells. Most of the one's you were really excited about were brought in during the Jeff Ireland tenure, which is a direct result of Parcells.

The direction change is that someone has figured out after 10 years how to draft - well, ok, except for offensive lineman.

You want to win, you need talent. Parcells has upgraded the talent on this team exponentially. Its is not even arguable.

Is he the best X's and O's coach ever? Heck no. Has he had problems with the O-line? Heck yeah. Will he ever have dinner again at the Ellis household? Prolly not.

But throwing down the gauntlet right now on Parcells is short-sighted and ridiculous. He has performed a 180 on this franchise - with some help - and simply listing his blunders and thinking there are a string of candidates who are going to walk in here and do better is naive.

I'm pretty sure that's what Jerry was thinking when Jimmy walked out the door.

 

[TheSkaven]

nice cherry picking a few bad plays and ignoring many games we stole.

Well said. Interesting how that Richie Anderson fumble is Bill's fault but no one is mentioning the victories; how about the 2003 game against the Giants with the kickoff that rolled out of bounds and Antonio Bryant's clutch catch? Or Randal Williams being prepared for the on-side kick against the Eagles and running it back for a TD? How about the two regular season wins against the Panthers (2003 and 2005), who both times had the superior team. The list doesn't end there...

Just think about it for a second - if Jerry would have let Bill sign a kicker last off-season, does anyone here really doubt that the Cowboys win the NFC East last year? Is it Bill's fault that Jerry's experiment, Quincy Carter, tested positive for drugs in training camp 2004?

 

[Waffle]

The players you praised were almost entirely brought in by Bill Parcells. Most of the one's you were really excited about were brought in during the Jeff Ireland tenure, which is a direct result of Parcells.

The direction change is that someone has figured out after 10 years how to draft - well, ok, except for offensive lineman.

You want to win, you need talent. Parcells has upgraded the talent on this team exponentially. Its is not even arguable.

Is he the best X's and O's coach ever? Heck no. Has he had problems with the O-line? Heck yeah. Will he ever have dinner again at the Ellis household? Prolly not.

But throwing down the gauntlet right now on Parcells is short-sighted and riduculous. He has performed a 180 on this franchise - with some help - and simply listing his blunders and thinking there are a string of candidates who are going to walk in here and do better is naive.

I'm pretty sure that's what Jerry was thinking when Jimmy walked out the door.

 

[Hostile]

The players you praised were almost entirely brought in by Bill Parcells. Most of the one's you were really excited about were brought in during the Jeff Ireland tenure, which is a direct result of Parcells.

The direction change is that someone has figured out after 10 years how to draft - well, ok, except for offensive lineman.

You want to win, you need talent. Parcells has upgraded the talent on this team exponentially. Its is not even arguable.

Is he the best X's and O's coach ever? Heck no. Has he had problems with the O-line? Heck yeah. Will he ever have dinner again at the Ellis household? Prolly not.

But throwing down the gauntlet right now on Parcells is short-sighted and ridiculous. He has performed a 180 on this franchise - with some help - and simply listing his blunders and thinking there are a string of candidates who are going to walk in here and do better is naive.

I'm pretty sure that's what Jerry was thinking when Jimmy walked out the door.

Oh brother Wilee. You're grasping at straws to read stuff into things I'm not saying.

I didn't steal from Parcells or call him a theif or rip him apart. I said Al is correct on one point. He harps results and needs to show some himself.

Yeah, I'm giddy about the coming season. Yeah he's a huge part of that.

Do I need to schmooze him some more?

 

[jimmy40]

Now there is no room for a kind word about Henson's fine effort in NFLE.

BP needs to deliver here, this year period. The guy who chose to bench young Phil Simms in favor of Scott Brunner is far from infallible when it comes to QB evaluation and development.

He's run off Leroi Glover, Dexter Coakley and others and doesn't seem to know when one of his old Parcells guys is finished, Detrick Ward, Richie Anderson, Vinnie T and others.... come on down..

Having sat through the disgraceful loss to Pittsburgh(2004 Vinnie's botched handoff to Richie Anderson) and the going for it on 4th down in his own territory against the Giants in 2004, the 1st cut of Keith Davis, the thowing on the goal line 2 yds short of the endzone against Oakland, the mismangement of the Seattle and Washington (1st ) in 2005 and the purported backing of Jacob Rogers over the objection on many of our scouts, I'm glad Jerry will not cut one of the young QBs but .... now its time to shut up and produce a winner here.
9-7 and ending the season with a lay down vs. the Rams (another game I had the misfortune to witness in person) only suggests that there are coaching staff issues on this team.

He's still that fat bastid coach of the Giants to some of us old timers.

 

[ghosttown cowboy]

If we had a decent kicker last year, we win the NFC!:starspin

 

[JackMagist]

Now there is no room for a kind word about Henson's fine effort in NFLE.

BP needs to deliver here, this year period. The guy who chose to bench young Phil Simms in favor of Scott Brunner is far from infallible when it comes to QB evaluation and development.

He's run off Leroi Glover, Dexter Coakley and others and doesn't seem to know when one of his old Parcells guys is finished, Detrick Ward, Richie Anderson, Vinnie T and others.... come on down..

Having sat through the disgraceful loss to Pittsburgh(2004 Vinnie's botched handoff to Richie Anderson) and the going for it on 4th down in his own territory against the Giants in 2004, the 1st cut of Keith Davis, the thowing on the goal line 2 yds short of the endzone against Oakland, the mismangement of the Seattle and Washington (1st ) in 2005 and the purported backing of Jacob Rogers over the objection on many of our scouts, I'm glad Jerry will not cut one of the young QBs but .... now its time to shut up and produce a winner here.
9-7 and ending the season with a lay down vs. the Rams (another game I had the misfortune to witness in person) only suggests that there are coaching staff issues on this team.

Putting the Henson angle aside (I have no more comments on that) and putting the personnel moves aside (Parcells is building a Parcells team that the guys he let do don’t fit). I have to agree that Parcells is a piss poor game day coach (as I have said often). His only saving grace is that he can assemble some very talented teams. Teams with enough talent to overcome his shortcomings as a sideline coach. He has had three years to build his team now and I agree with you...It IS time for Parcells to Put Up or Shut Up.

 

[Alexander]

The players you praised were almost entirely brought in by Bill Parcells. Most of the one's you were really excited about were brought in during the Jeff Ireland tenure, which is a direct result of Parcells.

The direction change is that someone has figured out after 10 years how to draft - well, ok, except for offensive lineman.

You want to win, you need talent. Parcells has upgraded the talent on this team exponentially. Its is not even arguable.

Is he the best X's and O's coach ever? Heck no. Has he had problems with the O-line? Heck yeah. Will he ever have dinner again at the Ellis household? Prolly not.

But throwing down the gauntlet right now on Parcells is short-sighted and ridiculous. He has performed a 180 on this franchise - with some help - and simply listing his blunders and thinking there are a string of candidates who are going to walk in here and do better is naive.

I'm pretty sure that's what Jerry was thinking when Jimmy walked out the door.

Excellent post.

I'll just say that every 5-11 under Dave Campo seemed like 1-15.

Our 6-10 under Parcells wasn't even close, despite the one win differential.

 

[MONT17]

He's not infallible, but he's done a heckuva lot more good than bad here. Look how many years it took Holmgren to get Seattle to the big show. Every year I could see that they were getting better and that any day they would get there. In today's NFL with parity, you simply have to be patient.

Im sorry but Holmgren was aposition coach when Parcells was winning SBs... Parcells should never be compared to Holmgren!!!

 

[playboidolla]

I believe this year will definately show what a good job Bill Parcells have done with this team. HE did a great job last year, I dont think its hi fault that we missed field goals to not make the playoffs. I love Bill Parcells and he brings veterns in to lead and guide the rookies, I mean if we had all young players who would lead who? I think it is very smart to bring in veterns and I love it. All the bad was point out in this threat but I believe the goood definately outweighs the bad! Bill is a future Hall of Fame coach and I am happy to have him as coach.