Pardon the Interruption

[Sydla]

I get it. But at the same time, this is a slightly different conversation. You may recall, I was on the draft Zeke side of that argument. And my argument today remains the same. Who helps the Cowboys win more? Ramsey or Zeke? I still say Zeke.

But now that we have Zeke, what the Cowboys are doing now should be clear to everyone. They are trying to fix the lack of turnovers...which, by the way, I'm 100% behind. But if you then go and draft a guy who doesn't have the numbers to back up what you are trying to fix, I will be lost, until Jabril proves otherwise that he is a turnover machine. But I think we all know that Peppers game is not about generating turnovers.

You are missing the point. This isn't about Zeke versus Ramsey.

The logic some used here was that because Ramsey didn't show the ability to generate turnovers in college he didn't project to being a good NFL defensive back. And yet he had a very good rookie campaign. So the logic being that because Ramsey didn't generate turnovers in college he could not be a good NFL defensive back was flawed.

And you are repeating that silly logic now.

 

[Doomsday101]

Myself I like the kid from UCLA CB Fabian Moreau. Good size with the 4.3 speed

 

[Setackin]

Absolutely. But if I'm using a first round pick on you, I need to see proof. Anything less is a wasted pick until proven otherwise.

 

[jday]

Gerod Holliman from Louisville tied a NCAA record a couple of years ago with 14 interceptions in a season. He entered the NFL draft afer his junior year and two years later, he's barely a backup in this league.

The point being, that trying to project the ability to take the ball away based on college stats is pointless.

C'mon man? Who do you think you are debating against? Did you honestly think that point holds any water? How many NFL greats come from Louisville?

Allow me to tighten the parameters of this discussion a little bit. Based on the way the Cowboys have been drafting over the last 5 years, you can tell what they are looking at: Big time program, ideal. Team captain, ideal. High SPARQ, ideal.

So if you really want to narrow down the search for the Cowboys ideal candidate, the only thing we lack is the stats to back up what ever is you want to fix. The Cowboys want to fix the lack of turnovers issue. They just allowed two starting caliber corners and 1 Safety to walk for that reason. So you have to think once they have found the candidate that meets the first 3 preferences, the last thing they will look at to compare potential picks is turnovers. That is why I doubt Peppers is a consideration at 28, if he is still available. That's all I'm saying.

I don't have a replacement or other preference. And I'll admit I was much surer about the Cowboys picking Zeke than I am about them not picking Peppers. But for the first time in a long time I will be completely lost as to what the Cowboys are thinking if they do pick Peppers.

 

[Floatyworm]

Oh geez....2 pages into this thing and not a single...

You people are slacking

 

[jday]

You are missing the point. This isn't about Zeke versus Ramsey.

The logic some used here was that because Ramsey didn't show the ability to generate turnovers in college he didn't project to being a good NFL defensive back. And yet he had a very good rookie campaign. So the logic being that because Ramsey didn't generate turnovers in college he could not be a good NFL defensive back was flawed.

And you are repeating that silly logic now.

I really honestly don't believe there is anything silly about my logic here. The Cowboys have been very vocal about wanting to fix the lack of turnovers. It is the logic they offer behind allowing so many starters to leave via Free Agency and that is logic I can get behind so long as the Cowboys draft accordingly. From what I'm reading, Peppers is a possible improvement over Church. I can see that. But if his numbers don't suggest he can fix the problem the Cowboys have set out to fix, I don't get the move. That's all I'm saying. Especially when there are candidates out there who have the numbers to suggest they could help fix that problem.

 

[Sydla]

I really honestly don't believe there is anything silly about my logic here. The Cowboys have been very vocal about wanting to fix the lack of turnovers. It is the logic they offer behind allowing so many starters to leave via Free Agency and that is logic I can get behind so long as the Cowboys draft accordingly. From what I'm reading, Peppers is a possible improvement over Church. I can see that. But if his numbers don't suggest he can fix the problem the Cowboys have set out to fix, I don't get the move. That's all I'm saying. Especially when there are candidates out there who have the numbers to suggest they could help fix that problem.

It is absolutely silly to say that because one did not generate enough turnovers in college he likely won't in the NFL and can't be a good defensive back.

And I believe the Cowboys are very interested in Peppers. He might go off the board before 28 though.

 

[jday]

It is absolutely silly to say that because one did not generate enough turnovers in college he likely won't in the NFL and can't be a good defensive back.

And I believe the Cowboys are very interested in Peppers. He might go off the board before 28 though.

Now you are just putting words into my mouth (in a manner of speaking). I didn't say he wouldn't be a good defensive back. I am merely pointing out that if you are trying to find players to improve getting turnovers, you might want to look at the db's who actually did that in college. That's all I'm saying. Well, that, and if the Cowboys do pick Peppers with their first pick overall, I will be completely lost for the first time in a long time.

 

[Sarge]

I understand the concern, genetally speaking.
But personally, Ihink Peppers is the real deal.

Me too.

 

[big dog cowboy]

PTI......that is still on the air?

 

[jday]

I understand the concern, genetally speaking.
But personally, Ihink Peppers is the real deal.

Define "Real Deal."

Real Deal as in good overall football player or Real Deal as in the next Ed Reed? Because I suspect the Cowboys are leaning towards finding their own version of the next Ed Reed. For example, if they had to choose between Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, I suspect they would choose Ed. Whereas Peppers strikes me as more of a Polamalu type. Fair?

 

[Proof]

The Cowboys secondary needs an infusion of talent first and foremost. Obviously generating more turn overs is a goal, but the primary goal is more talent. The good thing about that is that turnovers can definitely increase as a by product. Peppers checks pretty much all the boxes you mentioned that the Cowboys look for. Sign me up

 

[DFWJC]

Define "Real Deal."

Real Deal as in good overall football player or Real Deal as in the next Ed Reed? Because I suspect the Cowboys are leaning towards finding their own version of the next Ed Reed. For example, if they had to choose between Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, I suspect they would choose Ed. Whereas Peppers strikes me as more of a Polamalu type. Fair?

Well, if the next Hall of Famer, Ed Reed, was known he'd be the very first pick in the draft.
Even Polamalu, if known in advance, would be near or at the top.
We're picking 28th. If you find an every day starter at 28, you did your job.

Nobody knows for sure, but I think Peppers could be an eventual pro bowl player.
And I do think he could be a real playmaker.

Not Ed Reed though...I agree...nor is almost anyone, any year.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Well, if the next Hall of Famer, Ed Reed, was known he'd be the very first pick in the draft.
Even Polamalu, if known in advance, would be near or at the top.
We're picking 28th. If you find an every day starter at 28, you did your job.

Nobody knows for sure, but I think Peppers could be an eventual pro bowl player.
And I do think he could be a real playmaker.

Not Ed Reed though...I agree...nor is almost anyone, any year.

Ed Reed was legit.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Define "Real Deal."

Real Deal as in good overall football player or Real Deal as in the next Ed Reed? Because I suspect the Cowboys are leaning towards finding their own version of the next Ed Reed. For example, if they had to choose between Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed, I suspect they would choose Ed. Whereas Peppers strikes me as more of a Polamalu type. Fair?

I think the Cowboys would sprint to the podium if they knew a Reed OR Polamalu was there at 28.

 

[waving monkey]

And yet everyone screamed we couldn't take Ramsey using the same logic and he finished 3rd in NFL defensive rookie of the year voting and was a pretty good CB.

if you like Ramsay,cool.If you like Ramsay better as our selection over Zeek ....well

 

[jday]

Well, if the next Hall of Famer, Ed Reed, was known he'd be the very first pick in the draft.
Even Polamalu, if known in advance, would be near or at the top.
We're picking 28th. If you find an every day starter at 28, you did your job.

Nobody knows for sure, but I think Peppers could be an eventual pro bowl player.
And I do think he could be a real playmaker.

Not Ed Reed though...I agree...nor is almost anyone, any year.

I'm not saying the Cowboys would find the next Reed with the first overall pick. Reed was a once a generation player. All I'm saying is the Cowboys need to find more of a known-commodity for Church's replacement. Peppers strikes me as more of a development Safety; likely better than Wilcox/Church, but still a slight liability in coverage. And nowhere near the ballhawk I think the Cowboys are actually looking for. But I certainly could be wrong. I am not an expert. This is just me trying to apply logic to a question that is not always logical.

 

[jday]

I think the Cowboys would sprint to the podium if they knew a Reed OR Polamalu was there at 28.

I'm starting to regret bringing those two up. Chances are no one finds the like of those two players. I only used them as an example for the difference in what I believe the Cowboys are looking for. Both Polamalu and Reed were both great players, but for completely different reasons. And I think that the Cowboys are leaning towards a Reed type versus a Polamalu type.

 

[bodi]

yea but I doubt we even get shot at Pepper's

 

[Cas2800]

Your missing half the point. Stephen Jones said they were leery of resigning Claiborne or Carr to a 3rd Contract because that's when people want the most money and when they start to decline. I'm buying his theory.