Parent busts bad teachers at his son's school

[Dallas]

my aunt, cousin, and gf's best friend are all teachers and love working with children, that being said I've talked with many education majors at TSU and a lot of them cited summers off as a major draw for choosing that major, just cause you don't know any doesn't mean that it isn't happening

You are clearly wrong and misled. One is "called" to be a teacher. One does not just want summers off.

:laugh2:

 

[Dallas]

You mean like in post #17 where I said "yeah there are some dad teachers out there"? Burm eveybody here knows you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but at least get a sibling or friend to help you read through these things before posting.

Isn't it funny because we differ from your opinion we are the ignorant ones and not very sharp? If you can't hang, you must insult.

hilarious

 

[CashMan]

I don't think so.

I'm not looking for pity by any means. But, I do hear all of the time how teachers are underpaid and they are treated like martyrs. However, their hourly pay rates are actually quite high. They just don't make a lot of money because they don't work summers.






YR

Please provide the math, I am getting around $15-20 starting off, at about $30k per year.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Please provide the math, I am getting around $15-20 starting off, at about $30k per year.

Let's say you make $20 an hour.

$20 x 2080 hours (standard for a full year's work) = $41,600

And that's starting off as well. Not exactly chump change when you are starting off. I'm sure there are/were plenty of us that wouldn't have minded making $40K+ with our first job.

The difference comes from not working the entire year.





YR

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Please stop with the personal insults in the arguments.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Again for the second time I addressed one poster who said that "Basically most of the teachers where there because they were afraid of working in the real world where they didn't have power over others and wanted summers off". I said it was an ignorant statement...and it was. Which post# did I come down on anybody besides that? What soap box? I addressed one poster! I clearly stated that there are problem teachers just like in any other profession. I clearly stated that what the teacher did to the kid was horrible. It's like you speed read and skip over parts. Either that or you're just...never mind.

So...you went to my high school and knew my teachers and what their motivations were?

Or how about the people I've worked with in 'corporate America' who quit their job to become a teacher and said that they were going to be a teacher because they hated corporate America and were looking forward to having Summers off.

What makes great teachers great is that they are in it because they truly love the profession of helping educate children. If everybody was like that, then every teacher would be great. But the fact is that those great teachers are few and far between for a reason....the others are in the professions for other motivations far different from educating children.










YR

 

[rkell87]

You are clearly wrong and misled. One is "called" to be a teacher. One does not just want summers off.

:laugh2:

 

[JBond]

Or at best get swept under a rug. My oldest daughter had a horrible History Teacher. The first day of class he asked the students if they considered themselves Liberal or Conservative. Any student who answered opposite of his political views was failed.

My daughter worked 6 hours on a project for that class one time. She stayed up until like 2 in the morning working on it. When she got her paper back she let me see his comments. One of them was that she was getting no grade and this was why. "The scant amount of time you took on this shows me you didn't care about the project."

I took that paper, the assignment and some of his other commentary and some e-mails between he and I to the Principle and the department head.

He's still teaching and kids who say they are the opposite political party are still failing.

When my daughter went to Summer School to make up that class, one of this teacher's fellow faculty asked how many in the Summer School class were from Mr. Johnson's class and considered themselves of the opposite political party. 20 to 25 kids raised their hands.

My daughter got an A in the Summer School class and an F in his.

How is that teaching?

Most galling to me, when I met with the Principle and Department Head they assured me my complaint was not the first against this teacher and his methods. So why is he still employed?

Oh, and my youngest is now in that school. If she is assigned to his class I will have her removed immediately. She has a goal to be her class Valedictorian and I will not risk him being the reason she doesn't meet her goal.

Unions...sigh...

 

[CashMan]

Let's say you make $20 an hour.

$20 x 2080 hours (standard for a full year's work) = $41,600

And that's starting off as well. Not exactly chump change when you are starting off. I'm sure there are/were plenty of us that wouldn't have minded making $40K+ with our first job.

The difference comes from not working the entire year.



YR

Where are you getting $40k? Teachers make far less at their 1st job.

 

[Dallas]

Where are you getting $40k? Teachers make far less at their 1st job.

I would move to a better school district. You are getting hosed. For example this is our ASD wage scale. Unionized baby!!!

http://www.asdk12.org/depts/hr/employment/salary.asp

 

[MonsterD]

Just gonna link this to news stories

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2012-04-25/teacher-autistic-bullying/54528282/1


http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-aut...-alleged-abuse/story?id=16209626#.T5hLzNVUySo

 

[vta]

Where are you getting $40k? Teachers make far less at their 1st job.

It's probably different on a state by state basis. New Jersey pays it's teachers very well.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

:laugh1: Nice

 

[JBond]

Just gonna link this to news stories

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2012-04-25/teacher-autistic-bullying/54528282/1


http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-aut...-alleged-abuse/story?id=16209626#.T5hLzNVUySo

Sad... they just shuffled the pathetic school employees to another school....Where have I heard that story before. Adult is cruel and takes advantage of his position over children and nothing happens but a transfer....It sounds so familiar....wait a minute...I think it is coming back to me...Darn,I just can not remember.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Where are you getting $40k? Teachers make far less at their 1st job.

No kidding.

That's because they don't work summers.

If you're paid $20 an hour and actually work 2080 hours like the normal job that is year-round, that gives you $41,600 salary.

I've said, all along they get paid fairly well from an hourly perspective. They just don't make much money because they don't work summers. And I've met countless teachers who say they wanted to get into the job so they can have summers off. My response....don't complain about your wages then or find a job during the summer like the rest of us.






YR

 

[rkell87]

Where are you getting $40k? Teachers make far less at their 1st job.

he is doing a full year of hours, but they don't work a full year. $20 x (40 hours x 40 weeks) 1600 = 32,000


all he is saying is most people would love to be paid $20 an hour starting out, problem is there isn't much room for growth, plus schools like to let go of teachers after a while to avoid paying pensions because they can get a fresh out of college person for cheap and really all they want is a body in a class room

 

[CashMan]

he is doing a full year of hours, but they don't work a full year. $20 x (40 hours x 40 weeks) 1600 = 32,000


all he is saying is most people would love to be paid $20 an hour starting out, problem is there isn't much room for growth, plus schools like to let go of teachers after a while to avoid paying pensions because they can get a fresh out of college person for cheap and really all they want is a body in a class room

Yes, so $32K a year(not working summers), is not great money for someone who goes to school for 4yrs. It is great money for someone who is not college educated starting out.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yes, so $32K a year(not working summers), is not great money for someone who goes to school for 4yrs.

Yes, but that's about what you get paid at many corporations when you first start out, even if you have a college degree. Hell, I didn't get paid that much when I got out of college. And I worked summers, too. If teachers don't like it, work summers. Plenty of tutoring jobs and other opportunities during the summer.






YR

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Thanks big D, and yes I do know all about your ignorance. You put it on display daily on this forum. I come from a family of teachers where my grandfather was high school principal, both of my grandmothers were substitute teachers, my father was a teacher and later a director of an education service center, and my mother taught 42 years including soldiers on base during Vietnam. My comment wasn't directed at the OP for posting this, and I feel terrible for the kid involved. My comment was directed at one poster who grouped all teachers into this lazy, working for summers off portrait that's being painted here. Obviously the OP got that, the poster I took exception to got that and replied, and you seem to be the only one who doesn't get it. Ignorance rearing it's ugly head?

Bip..

 

[CashMan]

Yes, but that's about what you get paid at many corporations when you first start out, even if you have a college degree. Hell, I didn't get paid that much when I got out of college. And I worked summers, too. If teachers don't like it, work summers. Plenty of tutoring jobs and other opportunities during the summer.






YR

Well, if you got out of college at 21, it would of been 1998 for you. 1998 to 2012 is a big difference. Teachers are not guaranteed full time jobs coming out of college, usually they have to spend a year or so as a sub.