Parnell Review - Dolphins

Fla Cowpoke

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Free would have given up 3 more sacks if Vaughan was playing QB instead of Romo.

A player can only be graded on the players he plays against. There's no magic way to know what would happen.

Thanks for your time consuming analysis.

Oh....so every post has to de a dissertation? It's clear....Parnell is your guy. That's fine but as someone else said you long ago gave up any sense of neutrality in the matter.

Parnell is a good run blocker against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Maybe even against first. He isn't very good in pass protection.

Seems Dallas would rather live with Free's warts than with Parnell's. Haven't seen anything in the media reports that suggest Parnell has a chance of unseating Free.
 

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Oh....so every post has to de a dissertation? It's clear....Parnell is your guy. That's fine but as someone else said you long ago gave up any sense of neutrality in the matter.

Parnell is a good run blocker against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Maybe even against first. He isn't very good in pass protection.

Seems Dallas would rather live with Free's warts than with Parnell's. Haven't seen anything in the media reports that suggest Parnell has a chance of unseating Free.

If you don't like a developed picture and supporting evidence to continually be presented, stay out of a end of event discussion...and stay on the basis of dislike on subject as one chooses. That or accept the information and then on the level of the information presented, defeat the topic, but politely.

I won't and don't cheer irritation with a respectable means of presentation. Presentation aren't the problem, but often impatience and are irritable. You are a solid fan, and have solid views, but don't insult another person who presents a solid case that can NOT be disproved in the present. Either that, or the scope of the information offered as been done a complete injustice and an agenda substituted for discussion.
 

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I didn't get the game either just caught some video. I think Parnell gets a little lax at times and for that reason the coaching staff or even Romo don't want him in unless it's necessary. We usually don't see the high-powered defenses or the skilled pass rushers that we will see this season so it makes me wonder how much protection can we slide to Free this season.

He didn't show any "lax" in the last game -- clearly had better effort than anyone on several plays.

Might be that he's finally 100% healthy, and not protecting some nagging injury.

This OL will be much better by mid-season; they have hardly played at all together as a unit, and that's a huge key.
 

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Well in re-watching last night with the review up all I can do is laugh.

The 5 yard one hand push was a defender that ran himself out of the play with a slap by Parnell on the way by...o lay.

The 6 second tie up did not mention Parnell got no push at all and forced the run back into traffic.

The pushed the D past the QB was him being beat badly and caused an early throw for an incompletion.

The 4+ second block was 3 seconds and the 5 second was only 2!

Parnell played pretty good against 3rd stringers but come on. This went beyond embellish into pure fantasy.
 

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Well in re-watching last night with the review up all I can do is laugh.

The 5 yard one hand push was a defender that ran himself out of the play with a slap by Parnell on the way by...o lay.

The 6 second tie up did not mention Parnell got no push at all and forced the run back into traffic.

The pushed the D past the QB was him being beat badly and caused an early throw for an incompletion.

The 4+ second block was 3 seconds and the 5 second was only 2!

Parnell played pretty good against 3rd stringers but come on. This went beyond embellish into pure fantasy.

Let's see...what team has offered you an entry level scouting position from that? oh, oh, oh...it was the burn barrel buddies. Good choice...now I'm back to Sale of the Century.
 

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All I know is its gonna be a spectacle week 2 when Leary is iso'd against Donald all game while Free is going against half of Chris Long
 

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Scouting only has value if it is objective. Where Free and Parnell is concerned his is not.

That is a job specific observation without the equivalent credentials. The exact observations are up for discussion, on a site as this...unless one is already on contract, and the information has already been bought.
 

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I agree that JP is raw. Seems that the coaches are very high on him and are grooming him for RT and it appears to be his job next season.

He's 28 years old and a 5 year vet. This isn't a 22 year old rookie.
 

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All I know is its gonna be a spectacle week 2 when Leary is iso'd against Donald all game while Free is going against half of Chris Long

That should be a great matchup to view...!
 

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I do like Parnell, but I haven't witnessed anything from him to believe he is the answer to replace Free. They will need to look for a RT or move Martin to RT and draft a guard in 2015. Parnell is a decent enough back-up this season imo.
 

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He's more likely to be out of the league at age 30 than a starter.

lol. Xwalker will cry. I hope he contends but yeah sure it could happen. I give u a 30 % chance on you're forecast.
 

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Not really an anti-Free guy but I think Parnell would make this line a bit more dynamic and he would not need the help Free gets each week.

Wow, last year Free was the most consistant lineman. Now he gets beat a couple times and it's time to replace him. With Parnell? a LT with zero athletic ability. I see defensive lineman routinely give a good push on Parnell, get him to set his feet to hold ground, and they are around him fast. He can't move laterally.
 

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Oh....so every post has to de a dissertation? It's clear....Parnell is your guy. That's fine but as someone else said you long ago gave up any sense of neutrality in the matter.

Parnell is a good run blocker against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Maybe even against first. He isn't very good in pass protection.

Seems Dallas would rather live with Free's warts than with Parnell's. Haven't seen anything in the media reports that suggest Parnell has a chance of unseating Free.

He does the same thing with T. McClain. Despite overwhelming evidence that he isn't an NFL starter, he thinks he's right, and the Cowboys' staff is wrong.
 

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He isn't very good in pass protection.
There just isn't any proof of that.

There are supposedly hundreds of reports that he was bad in training camp practices, but in the games where we have quality video to see for ourselves, he's been good.

He played reasonably well in 2 games at LT in 2012. He was better at LT than Free was in 2011. He split series in 4 games a RT with Free and played at the same level as Free.

I'm not making any guarantees that he would be better against starters than Free, but I find it less than smart that people want to cut players based on some "reports" by media that have proven to be wrong often. "Reports" are for the off-season when we don't have access to see the players. It's preseason now and we can see for ourselves what happens on the field.

It's the false narratives by media and fans that bug me more than an issue about this specific player.

It's like Fuzzy was saying about the defense in another thread. The narrative is that they're completely hopeless, but they actually didn't give up TDs at a high rate and did get turnovers. They just don't dominate or play the style that people want to see played.

This is also similar to the Hitchens or Fred draft pick issue where fans/media proclaimed them a "reach" because the draft media had them ranked lower than where they were picked. Somehow the narrative is that draft media are exactly correct on all rankings which I think you know can't be possible.

I'm sure that you've experienced the casual Cowboy fan narrative where all losses are blamed on Romo. It's the same concept. Everybody's got a super strong opinion despite not spending any time gaining knowledge to support their opinion. They can always find some national media guy that agrees with them so it must be true.

The narrative can go the other way also. Ben Bass was going to be a Star according to many. He still might turn out to be a good player with the Pats, but there was far less evidence that he could perform as an NFL player than what I've seen with Parnell. Crawford has been hyped by the Cowboys and their media dept. and I'm hopeful that it comes true, but we really haven't seen any proof at this point. Minter was an overnight Star after the Ravens game despite being abysmal against the run.

With all of the hyperbole that goes around, I just enjoy trying to grind through some real analysis as an alternative to the hype. Jermey Parnell just happens to be a player that fit my criteria of a player that's has talent but where the hype is that he's terrible. He's not the only player that I've taken this approach with. This off-season people predicted that Justin Durant would be cut and I said that he was better than advertised. I even posted an analysis of him here. In 2012 I said that Bernadeau had potential to get better while everybody else was calling for his head to be chopped off. I posted some analysis of Bernadeau that off-season after the 2012 season. I said in the 2012 preseason that Ron Leary had excellent potential because he had the physical ability of a good NFL player but just needed time to learn. People wanted to cut the RB Randle last season. I said we didn't we didn't really see enough of him to know one way or the other.

I'm not saying that I'm always right. I did think that AOA would be a good NFL player and I wasn't sure that it was worth keeping Beasley as a niche player that can't play special teams. I thought Bruce Carter was going to be good. I thought Drew Henson had potential. I even tried watched him in NFL Europe.

Summary: Whether I'm right or wrong, my point is to actually watch the players and not buy the fan/media narratives.
 

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Wow, last year Free was the most consistant lineman. Now he gets beat a couple times and it's time to replace him. With Parnell? a LT with zero athletic ability. I see defensive lineman routinely give a good push on Parnell, get him to set his feet to hold ground, and they are around him fast. He can't move laterally.

I can say that I have seen this only one time from Parnell this preseason. And that was on an island.
 

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He does the same thing with T. McClain. Despite overwhelming evidence that he isn't an NFL starter, he thinks he's right, and the Cowboys' staff is wrong.

When did I say the Cowboys staff was wrong? They did rotate Parnell with Free in 2012. He was injured in 2013 which isn't the fault of the coaches. They got "good enough" play from Free in 2013 so I didn't expect them to yank him.

T. McClain was signed by the Cowboys. He's injured, the Cowboys didn't just to decide to not play him.

The only people that I've said are wrong are the ones that want to cut Parnell based on some "reports" from training camp, despite video evidence that it would be a bad idea.

OK, I did say that in Jerry's world that higher paid players rarely get benched and that Nick Hayden might be Marinelli's son-in-law.
 
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