Pass Rush

[Stautner]

everybody likes the sacks, but if we see a consistent pass rush thats all that counts...good pass rush= incompletions and/or bad throws that turn into picks

teams can avoid sacks by keeping in extra blockers or running shorter routes as well

we'll have a good pass rush...I have little doubt about that

David

WE came close to the QB A LOT last season, but we got very few sacks. Teams still beat us by using quick drops and releases, then throwing the ocassional deep pass when we focuse to much on stopping the run and short passes.

I'm not sure what is happening now that would cause us to believe there is a big difference.

Hopefully it will get turned up a notch when the regular season starts ..... it needs to.

The scheme alone won't generate all this additional pressure. Players must still win individual battles. They must still get off blocks and make plays.

Hopefully, we see this. It's been a long, long time.

So few people seem to recognize this - it's as if they feel that a high school team could have success as long as the scheme was right.

A player may be hindered in a bad scheme, but if he is a high quality player he will still find ways to at least ocassionally make plays.

On the other hand, no scheme can make up for a lack of talent.

Try looking up Wade Phillips history taking over defenses.

Oh, well, I guess Merriman and Castillo et al are basically average players who only excelled du to Phillips scheme ...........

 

[DallasEast]

WE came close to the QB A LOT last season, but we got very few sacks.

I have to strongly disagree with the bold part, but if we're saying that WARE came close to the quarterback a lot last season, I would change my opinion.

 

[Clove]

I have to strongly disagree with the bold part, but if we're saying that WARE came close to the quarterback a lot last season, I would change my opinion.

I agree with this completely. We did NOT put serious pressure on the QB, I do believe that Parcells did not believe in blitzing, just go back and watch.

If you allow teams to sit back in the pocket comfortably and pan the field for receivers, you're digging your own grave. All I know is, I saw pressure this pre-season that I've not seen in a long time, we shall see if it turns in to mistakes or sacks.

 

[speedkilz88]

WE came close to the QB A LOT last season, but we got very few sacks. Teams still beat us by using quick drops and releases, then throwing the ocassional deep pass when we focuse to much on stopping the run and short passes.

I'm not sure what is happening now that would cause us to believe there is a big difference.

Hopefully it will get turned up a notch when the regular season starts ..... it needs to.



So few people seem to recognize this - it's as if they feel that a high school team could have success as long as the scheme was right.

A player may be hindered in a bad scheme, but if he is a high quality player he will still find ways to at least ocassionally make plays.

On the other hand, no scheme can make up for a lack of talent.



Oh, well, I guess Merriman and Castillo et al are basically average players who only excelled du to Phillips scheme ...........

Wade improved the Chargers before they even arrived. He has a history of improving a defense when he comes in. This was actually a good defense last year until the wheels fell off late in the year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This is kinda of scary the foreskins were saying this last year also.

Difference is, they were saying it even after the regular season had started. :laugh2:

 

[TunaFan33]

I agree with this completely. We did NOT put serious pressure on the QB, I do believe that Parcells did not believe in blitzing, just go back and watch.

If you allow teams to sit back in the pocket comfortably and pan the field for receivers, you're digging your own grave. All I know is, I saw pressure this pre-season that I've not seen in a long time, we shall see if it turns in to mistakes or sacks.

On top of that, he did NOT know how to DESIGN his blitzes-even the announcers would point this out all the time.

Every time we blitzed under him, you KNEW it was coming when an extra guy would line up on the LOS(i.e. not once did he ever disguise them).

 

[Stautner]

I have to strongly disagree with the bold part, but if we're saying that WARE came close to the quarterback a lot last season, I would change my opinion.

Okay, even if you limit it to Ware, what have we seen this preseason that tells us that more than Ware will be involved. I guess I see somewhat more pressure across the board, but certainly not dramatically more.

Wade improved the Chargers before they even arrived. He has a history of improving a defense when he comes in. This was actually a good defense last year until the wheels fell off late in the year.

I'm not saying that Wade can't help - that's not even close to what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that Wade alone, nor Wade's scheme alone can't do it - the proper talent level has to be there for Wade and his scheme to work with, and that talent level is what we are still a little unsure about.

 

[dooomsday]

On top of that, he did NOT know how to DESIGN his blitzes-even the announcers would point this out all the time.

Every time we blitzed under him, you KNEW it was coming when an extra guy would line up on the LOS(i.e. not once did he ever disguise them).

LOL! Tuna's blitz= Roy lining up on the line

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If a guy consistantly takes a 3 step drop, or a quick drop, you're just not going to get a ton of sacks, that's just the way it is. The key truly is, if we can stop the run.

Yes. And... we had better be pressing and jamming WR's/TE's at the line. We have to counter that. Gotta interrupt anything and everything. Cant allow them to get into THAT kind of rhythm.

 

[Clove]

On top of that, he did NOT know how to DESIGN his blitzes-even the announcers would point this out all the time.

Every time we blitzed under him, you KNEW it was coming when an extra guy would line up on the LOS(i.e. not once did he ever disguise them).

It's funny you say this, because last year almost drove me to check in at some local mental health clinic, when we would move 3 people up to the line like 10 seconds before the ball was snapped. I'm sitting there like "no NO NO" and the QB would casually audible is OLine and point out the guys coming, and tell the FB to go over in that area that this guy is blitzing from, and then then would peel off 18 yards to the FB or something, and then Parcells would say "that's why we don't blitz" no **** dude.

 

[scottsp]

So few people seem to recognize this - it's as if they feel that a high school team could have success as long as the scheme was right.

A player may be hindered in a bad scheme, but if he is a high quality player he will still find ways to at least ocassionally make plays.

On the other hand, no scheme can make up for a lack of talent.

And that's the point I was trying to make. People must make plays. Wade Phillips' scheme alone won't magically transform this unit into the high-pressure defense.

 

[scottsp]

Try looking up Wade Phillips history taking over defenses.

I am well aware of his track record. My point remains.

 

[Stautner]

And that's the point I was trying to make. People must make plays. Wade Phillips' scheme alone won't magically transform this unit into the high-pressure defense.

I agree completely.

Phillips defense my help put players in a position to make plays, but the player is the one that has to make it work and take advantage of it by fighting through blocks, taking proper angles, making solid tackles, having the speed, instincts, determination and strength to carry out the design .........

People often seem to feel that the talent level is irrelevent.

 

[scottsp]

I agree completely.

Phillips defense my help put players in a position to make plays, but the player is the one that has to make it work and take advantage of it by fighting through blocks, taking proper angles, making solid tackles, having the speed, instincts, determination and strength to carry out the design .........

People often seem to feel that the talent level is irrelevent.

Aye. I can't wait to see how all of this unfolds with an actual game plan behind it. I'm sure all of are anxious for that. A lot of eyes will be on guys like Anthony Spencer. What will this defense enable him to be? What can he bring to the table? Exciting stuff.

T-minus 6 days and counting.

 

[dooomsday]

I agree completely.

Phillips defense my help put players in a position to make plays, but the player is the one that has to make it work and take advantage of it by fighting through blocks, taking proper angles, making solid tackles, having the speed, instincts, determination and strength to carry out the design .........

People often seem to feel that the talent level is irrelevent.

Yeah, I agree.

I think many are holding hope that when turned loose from BPs read and react these guys will step up.

But, if they arent talented enough...they cant. Spears and Canty have a ton to prove. Spencer will help a little this year. But really other than Ware we dont have any accomplished rushers. Until/If Ellis returns to full strength.

Wade can do a lot of blitzing and bringing different players, etc. which he does well. We'll see.

 

[bbgun]

And that's the point I was trying to make. People must make plays. Wade Phillips' scheme alone won't magically transform this unit into the high-pressure defense.

Correctamundo. Who's the GM of this team anyway?

 

[Stautner]

Aye. I can't wait to see how all of this unfolds with an actual game plan behind it. I'm sure all of are anxious for that. A lot of eyes will be on guys like Anthony Spencer. What will this defense enable him to be? What can he bring to the table?

Exciting stuff.

Yeah, I agree.

I think many are holding hope that when turned loose from BPs read and react these guys will step up.

But, if they arent talented enough...they cant. Spears and Canty have a ton to prove. Spencer will help a little this year. But really other than Ware we dont have any accomplished rushers. Until/If Ellis returns to full strength.

Wade can do a lot of blitzing and bringing different players, etc. which he does well. We'll see.

The anticipation is kind of building isn't it. After all, this whole scheme/talent debate has been going on for over 6 months now, and we are getting ready o see how it all plays out.

Spencer is in kind of a bad spot. Fans will be looking to see something special from him, but he's still wet behind the ears - both in the NFL and at 3-4 OLB, so he may not have the immediate impact we want.

Spears and Canty truly are the ones with the most to prove. Especially Spears, who has constantly offered excuses. The time is now, and I hope he takes advantage. I'm still skeptical, but I'll keep an open mind.

IF pressure is the goal, I believe Hatcher and Ratliff probably have more to offer than Spears and Canty.

 

[dogunwo]

Okay, even if you limit it to Ware, what have we seen this preseason that tells us that more than Ware will be involved. I guess I see somewhat more pressure across the board, but certainly not dramatically more.




I'm not saying that Wade can't help - that's not even close to what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that Wade alone, nor Wade's scheme alone can't do it - the proper talent level has to be there for Wade and his scheme to work with, and that talent level is what we are still a little unsure about.

 

[Rampage]

what is all this pressure is as good as a sack nonsense? i have to disagree. pressure can cause incompletions or picks(if anybody not named roy williams learns how to catch a football) but it can also lead to a big play for the opposing teams offense. if you blitz to bring pressure chances are one of the wrs is 1 on 1, where the wr usually gets the better of the 1 on 1(see training camp) now if you get a sack there will be now incompletions or picks, but there could be a fumble. fact is the best an offense can hope for when a sack has occured is a loss for 1 or 2 yards. the best an offense can get out of "pressure" is a td.

 

[Stautner]

what is all this pressure is as good as a sack nonsense? i have to disagree. pressure can cause incompletions or picks(if anybody not named roy williams learns how to catch a football) but it can also lead to a big play for the opposing teams offense. if you blitz to bring pressure chances are one of the wrs is 1 on 1, where the wr usually gets the better of the 1 on 1(see training camp) now if you get a sack there will be now incompletions or picks, but there could be a fumble. fact is the best an offense can hope for when a sack has occured is a loss for 1 or 2 yards. the best an offense can get out of "pressure" is a td.

Clearly pressure isn't as good as a sack - and there are different levels of pressure as well. Flushing the QB out of the pocket ocassionally is one thing, but frequently hitting him as he releases the ball is another.

The fact is that ideally we will bring consistent pressure that always makes the QB feel a little uncomfortable, and results in some hurried throws, pounding on the QB and sacks as well.

I'm not yet sure we can live up to all that, but that's the goal.